ffdshow tryouts project: Discussion & Development - Page 470

SamuriHL · 18th November 2009, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinleech

Question: I can never get the Arcsoft renderer to show up in Grpahstudio. I've registered the .dll with regsvr32 but graphstudio doesn't see it. I can browse to the .dll in MPC-HC and it works just fine.

Any ideas? Creating the graphs in Graphstudio is probabnly easier than faffing about with MPC.

Will have some logs posted within the hour either way.

Hmmm, that's screwy. I registered it (in an administrator cmd prompt) and it shows up under the audio renderer's section in GS. I can also select it as my output device in MPC-HC. Not sure what to tell you on that one.

SamuriHL · 18th November 2009, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastiii

Hi SamuriHL, did you try with Waveout Renderer ?
With this renderer, i have the light with ATI HDMI but no sound, i didn't try latest beta, i will try hit tonight

Seb.

I did. Same. Lights are on but no one's home. LOL

Sebastiii · 18th November 2009, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skinleech

Question: I can never get the Arcsoft renderer to show up in Grpahstudio. I've registered the .dll with regsvr32 but graphstudio doesn't see it. I can browse to the .dll in MPC-HC and it works just fine.

Any ideas? Creating the graphs in Graphstudio is probabnly easier than faffing about with MPC.

Will have some logs posted within the hour either way.

Hi, i have register on cmd the dll : ASAudioRenderer.dll
in patch : E:\Program Files\ArcSoft\TotalMedia Theatre 3\Codec\ for me it's E: lol

Seb.

Skinleech · 18th November 2009, 17:28

No idea about graphstudio, I've done as above. Anyway, onto the interesting stuff.

TrueHD: Lights came on, no sound
DDPlus: Crashed MPC-HC straight away.
DTS-HD HR: Played as DTS, got sound.
DTS-HD MA in m2ts: Played as DTS, no sound.
DTS-HD MA in mkv: DTS-HD MSTR light came on, haali loaded, no sound.

Log: http://rs646l3.rapidshare.com/cgi-bi...37951848910710

Mkv is interesting, it seems the MPC splitter isn't even needed in that case.

Thunderbolt8 · 18th November 2009, 18:22

afaik mpc splitter is not needed when using haali for .mkv, as it is the other way round as well.

albain · 18th November 2009, 19:19

About the number of channels : this is normal that this number is incorrect because this is the number of IEC 60958 channels : 2 for AC3/DTS on SPDIF, 2 for EAC3, 8 for DTSHD TrueHD but not sure about that

But this number is totally different for xonar+arcsoft renderer

albain · 18th November 2009, 19:40

Nothing really great but I am happy to say that (this time) the bitstreams are identical between arcsoft and ffdshow.

But there is no sound : I think the man reason is the time duration (seb saying the videos are playing too fast).
So this should be the key to have sound.

But how to calculate the time duration of a compressed stream ?

This should not be very difficult to figure out

Sebastiii · 18th November 2009, 20:00

Dolby Digital EAC3 workssssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!

On Win7 Xonar ffdshow (16bits or 24bits out) + Arcsoft

The sound is not good, but it's the same sound with TMT (bitstream)

Yes it's very good.

For DTSMA or DTSHR or TrueHD nothing appear in AVR.

I make more test but, it confirm that with arcsoft renderer and xonar it's work

Big Thx

Seb.

albain · 18th November 2009, 20:08

Great !! Finally, this means that there is no protection within the renderer. Have you tried with the ati ?

I will update the dumper with traces of timestamps for each buffer

very encouraging result Seb, thanks

SamuriHL · 18th November 2009, 20:14

This is good news. And yes, I see the video playing too fast on my TrueHD title, as well. So, I think the timing is definitely off somewhere. I hope you can figure that out. I think you're REALLY close.

gorgeousjorge · 18th November 2009, 20:40

Hi all.

I`m a little bit confused about some settings in ffdshow:

1-The "process whole image" is for processing the black bars at bottom and top?
If this is so,what`s the use of it?

2-In the rgb conversion page,the contrast;standard or full range;do they mean the input or output of the video,or both?
I´m confused because they appear to do the oposite of what is written in them.
Standard (16-235) expands the image giving me the correct colors but clipping the btb and wtw data.
Full range (0-255) seems to "brighten" the image.

Shouldn`t be the oposite?

For example:if i play a video file (16-235) on my computer,then i should choose full range because the monitor is expecting (0-255)!
Is this right?

Tx for any help anyone can provide and sorry if this is already answered,i didn`t read the 100+ pages.

Best regards.

Sebastiii · 18th November 2009, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by albain

Great !! Finally, this means that there is no protection within the renderer. Have you tried with the ati ?

I will update the dumper with traces of timestamps for each buffer

very encouraging result Seb, thanks

Yes, so i have tested too on ATI but no light for EAC3 for now

.
I'll make retest to see exactly, but with Xonar when i saw DD+ on AVR 7.1

i'm very happy

.
Seb.

rica · 18th November 2009, 22:28

Here are my test results with albain's THD sample:

1) Default WaveOut device:
Gives no light, no sound, no debug.

2) Default DirectSound Device:
Gives PCM light and PCM sound but no debug.

3) MPC AudioRenderer:
Gives PCM light and sound and debug.
Here is the debug file:
http://www.mediafire.com/?oozz2311mdj

4) TMT AudioRenderer:
Gives no light, no sound, no debug.

5) PDVD9 Renderer:
Gives PCM light but a bad noise only and no debug.

Ati 5770 and 9/11 drivers.

Endpoint set to wasapi exlusive and 192/24.

tal.aloni · 18th November 2009, 23:10

gorgeousjorge,
- I have a feeling you're not using the latest version, the input and output levels in the RGB conversion page are labeled clearly in the latest version, and it's not hard to figure out the rest. (when dealing with 16-235 input, you're not losing anything by expanding to 0-255, this is the only way to go if you have a computer monitor / LCD TV)

- regarding "process whole image", there is a seperation in ffdshow between the clip dimensions and the output dimensions.

Tal

clsid · 18th November 2009, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by gorgeousjorge

1-The "process whole image" is for processing the black bars at bottom and top?
If this is so,what`s the use of it?

2-In the rgb conversion page,the contrast;standard or full range;do they mean the input or output of the video,or both?
I´m confused because they appear to do the oposite of what is written in them.
Standard (16-235) expands the image giving me the correct colors but clipping the btb and wtw data.
Full range (0-255) seems to "brighten" the image.

Shouldn`t be the oposite?

1) I am not 100% sure, but the most logical thing would be that this option indeed enables processing of the bars that may have been added around the video by the resize&aspect filter in ffdshow.

2) As the header above options says, its for the input. The descriptions are correct. Most videos are encoded with the 16-235 range.

gorgeousjorge · 18th November 2009, 23:31

Well,tx very much for your inputs.
I´m seeing my ffdshow version and its well outdated,jun 27 2008.
i could i be so careless!!!
I will update and talk back here my feedback.

And again tx for your replies.

Best regards.
--------------------------------------------------
Just to not double post.

I see now my confusion,in the previous version i`ve had installed the levels were refering to input;i see that now because i have played with the input and output levels in this latest version and it`s straighforward.

In it`s default settings:
Input:16-235
Output:0-255

Meaning 16 will be mapped to 0 and 235 to 255;thus giving me the correct colors for pc monitor;clipping the btb and wtw data.
Is my thought correct?

Regarding the "process whole image" feature.

"there is a seperation in ffdshow between the clip dimensions and the output dimensions"

"I am not 100% sure, but the most logical thing would be that this option indeed enables processing of the bars that may have been added around the video by the resize&aspect filter in ffdshow"

Is the resize&aspect filter the only one wich interfere with this?Meaning that if i don`t use this filter i shouldn`t care with the process whole image?
Sorry mates,but i`m not following you there;can you please elaborate?

Tx for your inputs and sorry for so many questions.

Best regards
-----------------------------------------
Lol another edit,sorry guys.

I`ve just come across this:

“Process Whole Image” tick box instructs FFDShow to process the black bars encoded in the image (if they exist).
This is a waste of CPU, and so should NOT be used.
In the av foruns.
I´ve seen very little movies encoded like this;and if it is it`s only purpose then i think this feature is completly useless,or i am wrong here?
Just trying to understand the issue.
Best regards once again.

Sebastiii · 19th November 2009, 07:04

Hi for being happy this day :

Seb

Sebastiii · 19th November 2009, 07:13

And

For DTS-HD-Hi Res only on 6ch and sound crackling but we are sound

Seb

.

Skinleech · 19th November 2009, 08:13

Seb, any chance you post/upload your EAC3 sample? The ones I have crash MPC immediately, so I'd be interested to try yours.

FYI, the samples I have were both posted into this thread, so perhaps they are the same ones - the most recent one I got was 126mb and named

Code:

00026 - DD+ 7.1 Channe Test.m2ts

Thanks!

Great to see your pics as well.

albain · 19th November 2009, 10:09

Hi again,

a new build with a fix on the time periods.

Seb, I will also send you an updated version of the dumper with traces of the timestamps.
With this I will be able to correct those timestamps if this new build does not fix them

18th November 2009, 20:00	#9388 \| Link
Sebastiii Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: France Posts: 616	Dolby Digital EAC3 workssssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!! On Win7 Xonar ffdshow (16bits or 24bits out) + Arcsoft The sound is not good, but it's the same sound with TMT (bitstream) Yes it's very good. For DTSMA or DTSHR or TrueHD nothing appear in AVR. I make more test but, it confirm that with arcsoft renderer and xonar it's work Big Thx Seb. __________________ HTPC : i7 920 6Go Win10(x64) / Nvidia 1050Ti / P6T Deluxe / Harman-Kardon AVR-355.

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	This is good news. And yes, I see the video playing too fast on my TrueHD title, as well. So, I think the timing is definitely off somewhere. I hope you can figure that out. I think you're REALLY close. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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gorgeousjorge Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6	Hi all. I`m a little bit confused about some settings in ffdshow: 1-The "process whole image" is for processing the black bars at bottom and top? If this is so,what`s the use of it? 2-In the rgb conversion page,the contrast;standard or full range;do they mean the input or output of the video,or both? I´m confused because they appear to do the oposite of what is written in them. Standard (16-235) expands the image giving me the correct colors but clipping the btb and wtw data. Full range (0-255) seems to "brighten" the image. Shouldn`t be the oposite? For example:if i play a video file (16-235) on my computer,then i should choose full range because the monitor is expecting (0-255)! Is this right? Tx for any help anyone can provide and sorry if this is already answered,i didn`t read the 100+ pages. Best regards. Last edited by gorgeousjorge; 18th November 2009 at 20:43.

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rica Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,021	Here are my test results with albain's THD sample: 1) Default WaveOut device: Gives no light, no sound, no debug. 2) Default DirectSound Device: Gives PCM light and PCM sound but no debug. 3) MPC AudioRenderer: Gives PCM light and sound and debug. Here is the debug file: http://www.mediafire.com/?oozz2311mdj 4) TMT AudioRenderer: Gives no light, no sound, no debug. 5) PDVD9 Renderer: Gives PCM light but a bad noise only and no debug. Ati 5770 and 9/11 drivers. Endpoint set to wasapi exlusive and 192/24. Last edited by rica; 18th November 2009 at 22:36.

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tal.aloni Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 496	gorgeousjorge, - I have a feeling you're not using the latest version, the input and output levels in the RGB conversion page are labeled clearly in the latest version, and it's not hard to figure out the rest. (when dealing with 16-235 input, you're not losing anything by expanding to 0-255, this is the only way to go if you have a computer monitor / LCD TV) - regarding "process whole image", there is a seperation in ffdshow between the clip dimensions and the output dimensions. Tal Last edited by tal.aloni; 18th November 2009 at 23:14.

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Skinleech A.K.A Mangoat Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 203	No idea about graphstudio, I've done as above. Anyway, onto the interesting stuff. TrueHD: Lights came on, no sound DDPlus: Crashed MPC-HC straight away. DTS-HD HR: Played as DTS, got sound. DTS-HD MA in m2ts: Played as DTS, no sound. DTS-HD MA in mkv: DTS-HD MSTR light came on, haali loaded, no sound. Log: http://rs646l3.rapidshare.com/cgi-bi...37951848910710 Mkv is interesting, it seems the MPC splitter isn't even needed in that case.

18th November 2009, 18:22	#9385 \| Link
Thunderbolt8 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,197	afaik mpc splitter is not needed when using haali for .mkv, as it is the other way round as well.

18th November 2009, 19:19	#9386 \| Link
albain Media Control author Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 1,014	About the number of channels : this is normal that this number is incorrect because this is the number of IEC 60958 channels : 2 for AC3/DTS on SPDIF, 2 for EAC3, 8 for DTSHD TrueHD but not sure about that But this number is totally different for xonar+arcsoft renderer

18th November 2009, 19:40	#9387 \| Link
albain Media Control author Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 1,014	Nothing really great but I am happy to say that (this time) the bitstreams are identical between arcsoft and ffdshow. But there is no sound : I think the man reason is the time duration (seb saying the videos are playing too fast). So this should be the key to have sound. But how to calculate the time duration of a compressed stream ? This should not be very difficult to figure out

18th November 2009, 20:08	#9389 \| Link
albain Media Control author Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 1,014	Great !! Finally, this means that there is no protection within the renderer. Have you tried with the ati ? I will update the dumper with traces of timestamps for each buffer very encouraging result Seb, thanks

18th November 2009, 23:31	#9396 \| Link
gorgeousjorge Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6	Well,tx very much for your inputs. I´m seeing my ffdshow version and its well outdated,jun 27 2008. i could i be so careless!!! I will update and talk back here my feedback. And again tx for your replies. Best regards. -------------------------------------------------- Just to not double post. I see now my confusion,in the previous version i`ve had installed the levels were refering to input;i see that now because i have played with the input and output levels in this latest version and it`s straighforward. In it`s default settings: Input:16-235 Output:0-255 Meaning 16 will be mapped to 0 and 235 to 255;thus giving me the correct colors for pc monitor;clipping the btb and wtw data. Is my thought correct? Regarding the "process whole image" feature. "there is a seperation in ffdshow between the clip dimensions and the output dimensions" "I am not 100% sure, but the most logical thing would be that this option indeed enables processing of the bars that may have been added around the video by the resize&aspect filter in ffdshow" Is the resize&aspect filter the only one wich interfere with this?Meaning that if i don`t use this filter i shouldn`t care with the process whole image? Sorry mates,but i`m not following you there;can you please elaborate? Tx for your inputs and sorry for so many questions. Best regards ----------------------------------------- Lol another edit,sorry guys. I`ve just come across this: “Process Whole Image” tick box instructs FFDShow to process the black bars encoded in the image (if they exist). This is a waste of CPU, and so should NOT be used. In the av foruns. I´ve seen very little movies encoded like this;and if it is it`s only purpose then i think this feature is completly useless,or i am wrong here? Just trying to understand the issue. Best regards once again. Last edited by gorgeousjorge; 19th November 2009 at 00:38. Reason: rule 4

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Sebastiii Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: France Posts: 616	Hi for being happy this day : Seb __________________ HTPC : i7 920 6Go Win10(x64) / Nvidia 1050Ti / P6T Deluxe / Harman-Kardon AVR-355.

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Sebastiii Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: France Posts: 616	And For DTS-HD-Hi Res only on 6ch and sound crackling but we are sound Seb . __________________ HTPC : i7 920 6Go Win10(x64) / Nvidia 1050Ti / P6T Deluxe / Harman-Kardon AVR-355.

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Skinleech A.K.A Mangoat Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 203	Seb, any chance you post/upload your EAC3 sample? The ones I have crash MPC immediately, so I'd be interested to try yours. FYI, the samples I have were both posted into this thread, so perhaps they are the same ones - the most recent one I got was 126mb and named Code: 00026 - DD+ 7.1 Channe Test.m2ts Thanks! Great to see your pics as well.

19th November 2009, 10:09	#9400 \| Link
albain Media Control author Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paris Posts: 1,014	Hi again, a new build with a fix on the time periods. Seb, I will also send you an updated version of the dumper with traces of the timestamps. With this I will be able to correct those timestamps if this new build does not fix them

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