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Old 8th November 2010, 08:27   #10681  |  Link
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Hi!

Snce you've specifically addressed me, if your source of information for your statement is the following remark in Wikipedia: I'd suggest you read between the lines regarding "Because of licensing reasons." Keep in mind that the first official showing of this movie anywhere was on September 3rd.

Additionally, since you addressed this to me, I did a rather thorough Googlesearch and could find no legitimate sources selling the DVD or Blu-ray discs. If you are aware of any legitimate sources, please be good enough to post them...
Hi Setarip,

Here you go:

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I'm not sure what the original, now removed, question was, but just wanted to point out this disk was already available (same also goes for the Expendables), with language caveats you already mentioned.

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.wav, .w64 and .pcm outputs contain the same uncompressed audio samples and are identical to lossless sources (TrueHD, DTS-MA, FLAC) and LPCM uncompressed of course.

The bitrate of uncompressed audio is always the same:
BitRate = BitDepth x SampleRate x Num_Channels

Then for a monochannel wav 16 bits 48 KHz
Bitrate = 16 x 48000 x 1 = 768 Kb/s

of course all monochannel wavs must have the same size.
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Old 8th November 2010, 16:25   #10683  |  Link
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Further to that, I decoded (via eacto_more) a True HD track, 3.8gb, to wavs ( I tried both nero and libav decoders) and result was 6 wavs ~992,600 KB ea.

Then I downconverted the same HD track, via tsmuxer, to extract the core ( ~551,300 KB). I then repeated the process, as above, and the resulting wavs were still all the same size.

So, in the first step, are the wavs truly lossless ? And why, in the 2nd step are the wav files still the same size? Logically, I would think that the first set of wavs should be substantialy larger.
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Old 8th November 2010, 16:37   #10684  |  Link
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If the sources have the same bitdepth, samplerate, duration and number of channels the resulting wavs will have the same size. It's uncompressed so the content doesn't matter for the final size.
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Hi, I'm trying to demux my Blade Runner collection HD-DVD, disc 3. It's the disc with the 3 versions (international, american and 1992 dir cut) put together via seamless branching. I'm having trouble to correctly demux these 3 versions of the movie.

I run this command (disc is already ripped to hard drive, playlist 1 is the international version):
eac3to c:\bladerunner_branching 1) -demux -keepdialnorm

eac3to gives me the following log (notice the red part), and when I try to mux the streams back together with MkvMerge audio is out of sync starting from 1:39:58 onwards.

Another strange thing: there should only be 3 audio streams, while eac3to detects (and demux) 6. None of them works in sync with the video. Can anybody help me? Here's the log

Code:
eac3to v3.24
command line: eac3to  c:\ripped\bladerunner_branching 1) -demux -keepdialnorm
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EVO, 1 video track, 6 audio tracks, 6 subtitle tracks, 1:57:29
1: Joined EVO file
2: Chapters, 35 chapters
3: VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9) with pulldown flags
4: E-AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -21ms
5: E-AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -21ms
6: E-AC3 Surround, French, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -21ms
7: E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -18ms
8: E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB
9: E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -7ms
10: Subtitle (DVD), English
11: Subtitle (DVD), French
12: Subtitle (DVD), Spanish
13: Subtitle (DVD)
14: Subtitle (DVD)
15: Subtitle (DVD)
Creating file "SEG01_DC - Chapters.txt"...
[v03] Extracting video track number 3...
[a04] Extracting audio track number 4...
[a06] Extracting audio track number 6...
[a05] Extracting audio track number 5...
[a08] Extracting audio track number 8...
[a07] Extracting audio track number 7...
[a09] Extracting audio track number 9...
[v03] Writing new framerate "24fps /1.001" to bitstream.
[a04] Applying (E-)AC3 delay...
[a04] A remaining delay of -5ms could not be fixed.
[a05] Applying (E-)AC3 delay...
[a07] Applying (E-)AC3 delay...
[a07] A remaining delay of -2ms could not be fixed.
[v03] Removing VC-1 pulldown...
[a06] Applying (E-)AC3 delay...
[a06] A remaining delay of +11ms could not be fixed.
[a09] A remaining delay of -7ms could not be fixed.
[a05] A remaining delay of +11ms could not be fixed.
[v03] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 3 - VC-1, 1080p24.vc1"...
[a04] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 4 - E-AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a07] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 7 - E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a05] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 5 - E-AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a08] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 8 - E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a09] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 9 - E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a06] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 6 - E-AC3 Surround, French, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[s15] Extracting subtitle track number 15...
[s12] Extracting subtitle track number 12...
[s14] Extracting subtitle track number 14...
[s11] Extracting subtitle track number 11...
[s10] Extracting subtitle track number 10...
[s13] Extracting subtitle track number 13...
[s15] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 15 - Subtitle (DVD).sup"...
[s14] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 14 - Subtitle (DVD).sup"...
[s12] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 12 - Subtitle (DVD), Spanish.sup"...
[s13] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 13 - Subtitle (DVD).sup"...
[s11] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 11 - Subtitle (DVD), French.sup"...
[s10] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 10 - Subtitle (DVD), English.sup"...
[v03] Video overlaps for 705 frames at playtime 1:40:02.  <WARNING>
[v03] Video overlaps for 1 frames at playtime 1:40:32.  <WARNING>
[v03] Video overlaps for 7 frames at playtime 1:52:24.  <WARNING>
[v03] Video overlaps for 6 frames at playtime 1:52:25.  <WARNING>
[a04] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a05] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a06] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a07] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a08] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a09] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a04] Starting 2nd pass...
[a04] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a04] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 4 - E-AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a05] Starting 2nd pass...
[a05] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a05] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 5 - E-AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a06] Starting 2nd pass...
[a06] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a06] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 6 - E-AC3 Surround, French, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a07] Starting 2nd pass...
[a07] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a07] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 7 - E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a08] Starting 2nd pass...
[a08] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a08] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 8 - E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a09] Starting 2nd pass...
[a09] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a09] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 9 - E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
Video track 3 contains 169079 frames.
Subtitle track 10 contains 875 captions.
Subtitle track 11 contains 741 captions.
Subtitle track 12 contains 741 captions.
Subtitle track 13 contains 919 captions.
Subtitle track 14 contains 799 captions.
Subtitle track 15 contains 798 captions.
eac3to processing took 17 minutes, 26 seconds.
Done.

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Old 8th November 2010, 18:42   #10686  |  Link
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If the sources have the same bitdepth, samplerate, duration and number of channels the resulting wavs will have the same size. It's uncompressed so the content doesn't matter for the final size.
Well, the True HD has a variable bitrate (peak 5200 kbps) while the core is constant @ 640.

So are you saying that it's just a matter of compression, and that the extracted wavs from both sources will be lossless and the same as the originals?

If that's the case, you should be able to take a 640 ac-3 track, extract the wavs, and then process them to DTS-MA (DTS MA Audio Suite) ?

Edit : Btw, here are the log files from both decodes: Note that it took twice as long to decode the HD stream.

Code:
eac3to v3.24
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TrueHD/AC3, 5.1 channels, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB
(embedded: AC3, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB)
Disabling DRC for Nero (E-)AC3 decoding...
Extracting TrueHD stream...
Removing TrueHD dialog normalization...
Decoding with DirectShow (Nero Audio Decoder 2)...
DirectShow reports 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48kHz
Writing WAVs...
The original audio track has a constant bit depth of 24 bits.
eac3to processing took 10 minutes, 56 seconds.
Done.
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eac3to v3.24
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AC3, 5.1 channels, 1:57:37, 640kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB
Disabling DRC for Nero (E-)AC3 decoding...
Removing AC3 dialog normalization...
Decoding with DirectShow (Nero Audio Decoder 2)...
DirectShow reports 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48kHz
Writing WAVs...
The last (E-)AC3 frame is incomplete and thus gets skipped. 
<WARNING>
eac3to processing took 4 minutes, 17 seconds.
Done.
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Old 8th November 2010, 21:59   #10687  |  Link
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...here are the log files from both demuxes...
The thing is you're not demuxing, you're decoding to PCM. This will result in a fixed size as nurbs and tebasuna51 said. The compression of the source is irrelevant, assuming that you decode all sources to the same sample rate / bit depth / number of channels.
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Old 8th November 2010, 22:19   #10688  |  Link
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The thing is you're not demuxing, you're decoding to PCM. This will result in a fixed size as nurbs and tebasuna51 said. The compression of the source is irrelevant, assuming that you decode all sources to the same sample rate / bit depth / number of channels.
Yes, wrong phraseology on my part. I do realize that the wav file sizes will be the same.

What I'm asking is why the same results from both the True HD source and the 640 source of the same track? And as asked in the post, are the resulting wavs indeed lossless? and can either set be used to create a DTS MA track ?
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Old 8th November 2010, 22:48   #10689  |  Link
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You don't get the same results from TrueHD and AC3. The content of the wavs will be different, only the size will be the same. They are still lossless representations of the source. You can use either to create a DTS-HD MA track, but using the wavs created from the TrueHD files would be better.
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Ah, ha....that was the definitive answer I was looking for. Thanks nurbs !!
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Thanks for the responses tebasuna51, rapscallion & nurbs... you've all been a great help.
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Old 9th November 2010, 14:13   #10692  |  Link
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Hi!

Are you talking about the "Machete" DVD that came out in 2007, or the one that won't be released until January 2011?
And the accosting is back...
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Old 9th November 2010, 15:05   #10693  |  Link
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I can't seem to use eac3to over a network. Is there a reason for this? Do I have to map a drive to get this to work?
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Old 9th November 2010, 21:33   #10694  |  Link
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how precise is the 3.1 channel detection of eac3to? eac3to reports the sound of music blu-ray a DD track with 3.1 channel mask, but review sites state its 4.0. they could be wrong of course, but how can I know which is supposed to be correct?
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You could try mediainfo or decode it with ffdshow to get a third and fourth opinion.
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how precise is the 3.1 channel detection of eac3to? eac3to reports the sound of music blu-ray a DD track with 3.1 channel mask, but review sites state its 4.0. they could be wrong of course, but how can I know which is supposed to be correct?
Actually, eac3to reports it as 3/1 , not 3.1.

Mediainfo reports 4 - L C R, Surround : C

So eac3to is reporting correctly just stating it differently. Strange track BTW, especially when DTS MA 7.1 is the main audio track
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so what about the last channel, is it back centrered? because back surround only at 1 side doesnt make much sense
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A little help here?

To sum up: Blade Runner HD-DVD, seamless branching with 3 different versions of the movie. eac3to gives me the list of playlist, listing all of them with 3 audio. When I demux the first playlist, i get this "video and audio overlaps" problem, and I get 6 audio streams instead of 3. More importantly, none of the demuxed audio track is correctly in sync with the video, starting from 1:39:58.

This is the log (look at the red part please):

Code:
eac3to v3.24
command line: eac3to  c:\ripped\bladerunner_branching 1) -demux -keepdialnorm
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EVO, 1 video track, 6 audio tracks, 6 subtitle tracks, 1:57:29
1: Joined EVO file
2: Chapters, 35 chapters
3: VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9) with pulldown flags
4: E-AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -21ms
5: E-AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -21ms
6: E-AC3 Surround, French, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -21ms
7: E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -18ms
8: E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB
9: E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz, dialnorm: -27dB, -7ms
10: Subtitle (DVD), English
11: Subtitle (DVD), French
12: Subtitle (DVD), Spanish
13: Subtitle (DVD)
14: Subtitle (DVD)
15: Subtitle (DVD)
Creating file "SEG01_DC - Chapters.txt"...
[v03] Extracting video track number 3...
[a04] Extracting audio track number 4...
[a06] Extracting audio track number 6...
[a05] Extracting audio track number 5...
[a08] Extracting audio track number 8...
[a07] Extracting audio track number 7...
[a09] Extracting audio track number 9...
[v03] Writing new framerate "24fps /1.001" to bitstream.
[a04] Applying (E-)AC3 delay...
[a04] A remaining delay of -5ms could not be fixed.
[a05] Applying (E-)AC3 delay...
[a07] Applying (E-)AC3 delay...
[a07] A remaining delay of -2ms could not be fixed.
[v03] Removing VC-1 pulldown...
[a06] Applying (E-)AC3 delay...
[a06] A remaining delay of +11ms could not be fixed.
[a09] A remaining delay of -7ms could not be fixed.
[a05] A remaining delay of +11ms could not be fixed.
[v03] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 3 - VC-1, 1080p24.vc1"...
[a04] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 4 - E-AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a07] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 7 - E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a05] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 5 - E-AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a08] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 8 - E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a09] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 9 - E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a06] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 6 - E-AC3 Surround, French, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[s15] Extracting subtitle track number 15...
[s12] Extracting subtitle track number 12...
[s14] Extracting subtitle track number 14...
[s11] Extracting subtitle track number 11...
[s10] Extracting subtitle track number 10...
[s13] Extracting subtitle track number 13...
[s15] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 15 - Subtitle (DVD).sup"...
[s14] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 14 - Subtitle (DVD).sup"...
[s12] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 12 - Subtitle (DVD), Spanish.sup"...
[s13] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 13 - Subtitle (DVD).sup"...
[s11] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 11 - Subtitle (DVD), French.sup"...
[s10] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 10 - Subtitle (DVD), English.sup"...
[v03] Video overlaps for 705 frames at playtime 1:40:02.  <WARNING>
[v03] Video overlaps for 1 frames at playtime 1:40:32.  <WARNING>
[v03] Video overlaps for 7 frames at playtime 1:52:24.  <WARNING>
[v03] Video overlaps for 6 frames at playtime 1:52:25.  <WARNING>
[a04] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a05] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a06] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a07] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a08] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a09] Audio overlaps for 4192ms at playtime 1:39:58.  <WARNING>
[a04] Starting 2nd pass...
[a04] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a04] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 4 - E-AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a05] Starting 2nd pass...
[a05] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a05] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 5 - E-AC3 Surround, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a06] Starting 2nd pass...
[a06] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a06] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 6 - E-AC3 Surround, French, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a07] Starting 2nd pass...
[a07] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a07] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 7 - E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 640kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a08] Starting 2nd pass...
[a08] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a08] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 8 - E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
[a09] Starting 2nd pass...
[a09] Realizing (E-)AC3 gaps...
[a09] Creating file "SEG01_DC - 9 - E-AC3 Surround, 2.0 channels, 192kbps, 48kHz.eac3"...
Video track 3 contains 169079 frames.
Subtitle track 10 contains 875 captions.
Subtitle track 11 contains 741 captions.
Subtitle track 12 contains 741 captions.
Subtitle track 13 contains 919 captions.
Subtitle track 14 contains 799 captions.
Subtitle track 15 contains 798 captions.
eac3to processing took 17 minutes, 26 seconds.
Done.
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Old 10th November 2010, 16:33   #10699  |  Link
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Hi!

I believe you should be able to use tsMuxeR instead (in conjunction with AnyDVDHD) ...
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OK, another potentially embarrassing question coming up again.. here goes anyway.

I have several FLAC files that have been converted by eac3to from raw LPCM streams - so obviously lossless -> lossless = lossless. So far so good!

Now, if I load up those certain converted FLAC files in eac3to and rip to .wavs, is the resulting output the exact same as the original LPCM stream (ie. if I ripped the original LPCM stream to .wavs, would the result exactly match the current .wavs from the FLAC file - bit-for-bit)?

Apologies for the question, as I'm sure the answer is yes... but just would like the comfort of confirmation from the experts.

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