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Old 26th March 2003, 02:10   #1  |  Link
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IC7 error after ifo modification (part 2)

I've got this structure for JAWS 2 (pal).
Code:
25/03/2003  18.02            20.480 VIDEO_TS.BUP
25/03/2003  18.02            20.480 VIDEO_TS.IFO
25/03/2003  18.02           581.632 VIDEO_TS.VOB
25/03/2003  18.02            14.336 VTS_01_0.BUP
25/03/2003  18.02            14.336 VTS_01_0.IFO
25/03/2003  18.02        18.438.144 VTS_01_1.VOB
25/03/2003  18.02            90.112 VTS_02_0.BUP
25/03/2003  18.02            90.112 VTS_02_0.IFO
25/03/2003  18.02         2.502.656 VTS_02_0.VOB
25/03/2003  18.04     1.073.631.232 VTS_02_1.VOB
25/03/2003  18.06     1.073.653.760 VTS_02_2.VOB
25/03/2003  18.08     1.073.371.136 VTS_02_3.VOB
25/03/2003  18.10     1.073.723.392 VTS_02_4.VOB
25/03/2003  18.11       594.636.800 VTS_02_5.VOB
25/03/2003  18.11            65.536 VTS_03_0.BUP
25/03/2003  18.11            65.536 VTS_03_0.IFO
25/03/2003  18.12     1.073.704.960 VTS_03_1.VOB
25/03/2003  18.14     1.073.436.672 VTS_03_2.VOB
25/03/2003  18.15       374.386.688 VTS_03_3.VOB
25/03/2003  18.15            59.392 VTS_04_0.BUP
25/03/2003  18.15            59.392 VTS_04_0.IFO
25/03/2003  18.15        18.401.280 VTS_04_1.VOB
In the VTS_03_0.IFO file, I can't find any 00:00:00:1x (or similar) like the one in the example here:
Code:
   	PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:45:23.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 5) (Cells: 5) (uses VOB-IDs: 8)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  8/ 1]          : time: 00:09:39.06 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:09:39.06] [Frames: 14481]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  8/ 2]          : time: 00:11:37.08 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:21:16.14] [Frames: 31914]		
   	  [Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id:  8/ 3]          : time: 00:09:56.01 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:31:12.15] [Frames: 46815]		
   	  [Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id:  8/ 4]          : time: 00:10:31.16 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:41:44.06] [Frames: 62606]		
   	  [Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id:  8/ 5]          : time: 00:03:38.19 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:45:23.00] [Frames: 68075]		
   			
   	PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:08:18.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 3)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  3/ 1]          : time: 00:08:18.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:08:18.00] [Frames: 12450]		
   			
   	PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:07:12.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:07:12.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:07:12.00] [Frames: 10800]		
   			
   	PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:01:18.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 2)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  2/ 1]          : time: 00:01:18.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:18.00] [Frames: 1950]		
   			
   	PGC_5 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 5] [00:03:25.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 4)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  4/ 1]          : time: 00:03:25.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:03:25.00] [Frames: 5125]		
   			
   	PGC_6 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 6] [00:04:16.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  6/ 1]          : time: 00:04:16.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:04:16.00] [Frames: 6400]		
   			
   	PGC_7 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 7] [00:04:39.10 / 25 fps] (Programs: 4) (Cells: 4) (uses VOB-IDs: 9)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  9/ 1]          : time: 00:02:07.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:02:07.00] [Frames: 3175]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  9/ 2]          : time: 00:01:25.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:03:32.00] [Frames: 5300]		
   	  [Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id:  9/ 3]          : time: 00:00:43.10 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:04:15.10] [Frames: 6385]		
   	  [Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id:  9/ 4]          : time: 00:00:24.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:04:39.10] [Frames: 6985]		
   			
   	PGC_8 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 8] [00:01:24.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 5)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  5/ 1]          : time: 00:01:24.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:24.00] [Frames: 2100]		
   			 [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:01:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:24.00] [Frames: 2100]
   	PGC_9 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 9] [00:01:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 7)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  7/ 1]          : time: 00:01:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:00.00] [Frames: 1500]
I've tried to do the method in the guide stripping vob-ids: I've saved the vob-id 7 that was the smallest sigle.
And this is the result:
Code:
26/03/2003  01.53            28.672 VTS_03_0.BUP
26/03/2003  01.53            28.672 VTS_03_0.IFO
26/03/2003  01.53        35.549.184 VTS_03_1.VOB
with this .ifo file
Code:
PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] 
(Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
PGC_5 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
PGC_6 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
PGC_7 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
PGC_8 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
PGC_9 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:01:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:01:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:00.00] [Frames: 1500

mmm... and now?
I have to let this 30mb file alive or to remux it with the other blank.m2v file?
But... something is telling me that it's not a good way what i did...


ps: with previous test (Ghost ) I had no prob. When I click on a "stripped part" the PowerDVD menu plays 1 sec and than It returns to the previous status.
With JAWS 2 I can see a black screen on "stripped" titles BUT it doesn't takes 1 sec and back to previous: here I need to go back to movie with the remote.

Last edited by leopardone; 26th March 2003 at 02:15.
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Old 26th March 2003, 14:27   #2  |  Link
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yes and no

I would remux the original VOB's with the blank first then remove VOB ID's after and finally inserting a dummy program cell

use guide 5 first and use the original VOB's and remux the blank .m2v file into it which will shrink it in size considerably

then if you have a fussy player use guide 7, remove all the VOB ID's apart from 7 and insert dummies then you will be left with a small VOB file of under 1MB

if you feel lucky you can remove just the VOB ID's tho inserting the dummies may be a better option, it's upto you

that's the way I would do it to get a small blank VOB file but still maintain a working structure

sounds confusing but get's easy once you've done it a few times and there's actually a few methods to use and my guides don't cover every individual example so you have to mix n match them. I need guides for my guides

hope this helps and just ask if you get stuck again cos it is confusing sometimes
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Old 26th March 2003, 18:29   #3  |  Link
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mmm...
but in guide 5 u can save the vts_xx_0.vob because is a small .vob file.
here I have:
Code:
25/03/2003  18.12     1.073.704.960 VTS_03_1.VOB
25/03/2003  18.14     1.073.436.672 VTS_03_2.VOB
25/03/2003  18.15       374.386.688 VTS_03_3.VOB

Using guide n.5 with "Ghost" I did it perfectly from this structure:
Code:
25/07/2001  12.41           178.176 VTS_02_0.VOB
25/07/2001  12.41       158.889.984 VTS_02_1.VOB

In the VTS_03_1.VOB case I used guide n.3 because the guide n.7 wasn't already done... ehhehehe, u lazy guide maker


I'll try the new section of the awesome guide collection site
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Old 27th March 2003, 14:01   #4  |  Link
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no luck
I can't understand how, starting from a multi pgc ifo, I can have a "empty/blank" (and fully working) .vob file of my unwanted extras
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what methods have you tried and what exactly are you trying to do?

don't give up cos it's simple when you understand how so that's why I'll try and help you

basically all you need to do is strip all the VOB ID's apart from one

then REMUX the blank .m2V file. I'm not sure you can replace the VOB

then stick in the dummy cells in each PGC that will all point to the VOB ID you kept which will be number 1



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well...
I hope I'm able to explain


single pgc with 2 .vob files
Code:
25/07/2001  12.41           178.176 VTS_02_0.VOB
25/07/2001  12.41       158.889.984 VTS_02_1.VOB
Code:
  PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:02:21.15 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:02:21.15 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:02:21.15] [Frames: 3540]
using guide n.5 (substitution big .vob with blank .vob + remux with blank.m2v) give me this
result:

Code:
25/07/2001  12.41           178.176 VTS_02_0.VOB
24/03/2003  11.00            12.288 VTS_02_1.VOB
Code:
   PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25]
RESULT
IFOEDIT ---> IC7 (on edited DVD) = OK!
IC7 (on edited DVD) ---> IFOEDIT = OK!


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multi pgc with layer break between 2 cells
Code:
21/11/2000  10.14            10.240 VTS_02_0.VOB
21/11/2000  10.16     1.073.563.648 VTS_02_1.VOB
21/11/2000  10.16       137.461.760 VTS_02_2.VOB
Code:
  PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:02:21.15 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,5) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:01:31.20 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:31.20] [Frames: 2295] 
    [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  5/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:32.20] [Frames: 2320] 

  PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:11:22.05 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 2,5) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  2/ 1]          : time: 00:11:21.05 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:11:21.05] [Frames: 17030] 
    [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  5/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:11:22.05] [Frames: 17055] 

  PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:04:56.17 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 3,5) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  3/ 1]          : time: 00:04:55.17 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:04:55.17] [Frames: 7392] 
    [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  5/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:04:56.17] [Frames: 7417] 

  PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:06:15.22 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 4,5) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  4/ 1]          : time: 00:06:14.22 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:06:14.22] [Frames: 9372] 
    [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  5/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:06:15.22] [Frames: 9397]
using the guide n. 3 (strip vob-id except 1 + strip sreams except 1) I've kept the vob-id 5 (the smallest one) and stripped the others
in this way the result is:

Code:
 
  PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25] 

  PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25] 

  PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25] 

  PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25]
RESULT
IFOEDIT ---> IC7 (on edited DVD) = OK!


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multi pgc with NO layer break between cells and no cell "to be used"
Code:
23/03/2003  21.51            65.536 VTS_03_0.BUP
23/03/2003  21.51            65.536 VTS_03_0.IFO
25/03/2003  18.12     1.073.704.960 VTS_03_1.VOB
25/03/2003  18.14     1.073.436.672 VTS_03_2.VOB
25/03/2003  18.15       374.386.688 VTS_03_3.VOB
In the .IFO file, I can't find any 00:00:01:00 (or similar) like the previous one
Code:
	PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:45:23.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 5) (Cells: 5) (uses VOB-IDs: 8)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  8/ 1]          : time: 00:09:39.06 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:09:39.06] [Frames: 14481]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  8/ 2]          : time: 00:11:37.08 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:21:16.14] [Frames: 31914]		
   	  [Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id:  8/ 3]          : time: 00:09:56.01 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:31:12.15] [Frames: 46815]		
   	  [Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id:  8/ 4]          : time: 00:10:31.16 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:41:44.06] [Frames: 62606]		
   	  [Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id:  8/ 5]          : time: 00:03:38.19 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:45:23.00] [Frames: 68075]		
   			
   	PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:08:18.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 3)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  3/ 1]          : time: 00:08:18.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:08:18.00] [Frames: 12450]		
   			
   	PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:07:12.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:07:12.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:07:12.00] [Frames: 10800]		
   			
   	PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:01:18.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 2)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  2/ 1]          : time: 00:01:18.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:18.00] [Frames: 1950]		
   			
   	PGC_5 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 5] [00:03:25.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 4)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  4/ 1]          : time: 00:03:25.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:03:25.00] [Frames: 5125]		
   			
   	PGC_6 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 6] [00:04:16.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  6/ 1]          : time: 00:04:16.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:04:16.00] [Frames: 6400]		
   			
   	PGC_7 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 7] [00:04:39.10 / 25 fps] (Programs: 4) (Cells: 4) (uses VOB-IDs: 9)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  9/ 1]          : time: 00:02:07.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:02:07.00] [Frames: 3175]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  9/ 2]          : time: 00:01:25.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:03:32.00] [Frames: 5300]		
   	  [Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id:  9/ 3]          : time: 00:00:43.10 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:04:15.10] [Frames: 6385]		
   	  [Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id:  9/ 4]          : time: 00:00:24.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:04:39.10] [Frames: 6985]		
   			
   	PGC_8 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 8] [00:01:24.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 5)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  5/ 1]          : time: 00:01:24.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:24.00] [Frames: 2100]		
   			 [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:01:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:24.00] [Frames: 2100]
   	PGC_9 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 9] [00:01:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 7)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  7/ 1]          : time: 00:01:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:01:00.00] [Frames: 1500]
I now have, after a vob-id stripping (except 1) and stream stripping (except 1) this result:

Code:
28/03/2003  01.43            28.672 VTS_03_0.BUP
28/03/2003  01.43            28.672 VTS_03_0.IFO
28/03/2003  01.43        35.549.184 VTS_03_1.VOB
Code:
	PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
	PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
	PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
	PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
	PGC_5 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
	PGC_6 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
	PGC_7 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
	PGC_8 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)
	PGC_9 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 9] [00:01:00.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:01:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:1.00 [Frames: 1500]
And now?
I can't do here like my first example in this reply because I need a VTS_03_0.VOB little vob that doesn't exist here.
In this case what I have to do in order to have, like in the previous example, a simple empty vob that doesent affect the usability of the menu (no crash or no long blank periods @ stripped extras)???
I've tried to remove all vob-ids except one, but... then?
Gotta a file, obiously small, but that contains something I don't want (trailer or something other...).
How can I give a kick to it?

Now I'm too confused... I've tried several times your awesome guides but, since I'm a newbie here, I've lost myself into the maze of the .ifo's structure.
I've stripped/encoded 1 dvd with no problems: fully working menu with only 1 second blank screen for each stripped extra.
I've stripped/encoded another dvd that -dunno why- contains long time black screen into the stripped extras: I've to use the remote to return to the main menu while with the previous dvd it's all automatic (no extra found = back to menu).

Another question: is better to edit the .ifo/.vob file BEFORE using ic7 or AFTER it?


btw, first of all sorry for my "desperate" english and, more important, a BIIIIIIIIIIG thx for all your help!!!
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you have done the right things with the multi pgc with NO layer break between cells and no cell "to be used" and stripped all but VOB ID 7 but now you replace that new smaller VOB over the original VOB and use Ifoupdate. Then you must manually insert 6 cells into each PGC all pointing to the new VOB ID 1 of 1.00 second

if you read Guide # 7 this will explain it all and how to do it

just ask if you don't fully understand

but once you have dome it it's easy

you should always end up having an ifo looking like this if you strip everthing from a PGC. The PGC should have a 1 second entry pointing to the blank file VOB ID

Code:
PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25] 

  PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25] 

  PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25] 

  PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:00:01.00 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) 
    [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25]

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...but now you replace that new smaller VOB over the original VOB and use Ifoupdate.

mmm... do u mean I have to take the new (35.549.184) VTS_03_1.VOB and copy it on the original one OR i have to take your VTS_0x_1.VOB and put it over the new authored VTS_03_1.VOB?
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my fault

I thought you had a 1 sec file but now I see it 1 minute

there are a few ways to do it and this is one

strip 7 of the 8 VOB ID's leaving just one, use IFOUpdate and manually insert the program/cell entries into the other 8 PGC's all pointing to VOB ID 1. Guide 7 shows you how to do all this

then use Guide 5 to replace the VOB with the small one from the guide and fix the IFO

then finally open the IFO and Get VTS sectors to fix it all


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Hey, how about a bump??!


Ok...

I've been stripping titles left and right thanks to MackemX's guides, but now I've got one of these advanced ones, and have a few questions / comments.

Here's what I got:

Code:
   	PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:12:52.05 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:12:52.05 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:12:52.05] [Frames: 23165]		
   			
   	PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:22:47.20 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 2)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  2/ 1]          : time: 00:22:47.20 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:22:47.20] [Frames: 41030]
I want both of these titles gone. I tried procedure #7 at here, but I got a little hung up with the reference to IFOUpdate...I've been using IFOEdit for everything and haven't used this tool yet.

Anyway, I was messing around with IFOEdit v0.95 and stumbled onto something. Here's what I did:[list=1][*]I went into VTS_PGC_2 under the VTS_PGCITI table for VTS_02_0.IFO (title set that these titles are in)[*]I scrolled down to the bottom where the section "Cell Position in VOB:" begins.[*]I changed "Cell_1: has VOB ID" from 2 to 1, and saved the IFO file.[*]Then I applied MackemX procedure #5, replacing the VOB(s) with the blank VOB, and Re-Mux'd the VOB.[/list=1]

Here's what resulted:

Code:
   	PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.25 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25]		
   			
   	PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:00.25 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25]
Looks pretty good, and I was able to read the files into InstantCopy and DVD Shrink without any problems. What do you IFO jockeys, think?

While you ponder that...now I have to go give Procedure #7 another whack with a titleset that has some VOB-IDs I do want to keep, but is structured like the above.

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MackemX, are you out there? Or other IFOLords?? Need help...


Ok, I tried procedure #7 on a title set...well, I'll paste it here:


Code:
   	PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [01:43:01.16 / 30 fps] (Programs: 20) (Cells: 21) (uses VOB-IDs: 2,3)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  2/ 1]          : time: 00:06:57.01 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:06:57.01] [Frames: 12511]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  2/ 2]          : time: 00:05:22.00 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:12:19.01] [Frames: 22171]		
   	  [Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id:  2/ 3]          : time: 00:03:30.00 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:15:49.01] [Frames: 28471]		
   	  [Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id:  2/ 4]          : time: 00:04:00.21 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:19:49.22] [Frames: 35692]		
   	  [Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id:  2/ 5]          : time: 00:03:01.29 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:22:51.21] [Frames: 41151]		
   	  [Ch 06] [Pg 06] [Cell 06] [V/C Id:  2/ 6]          : time: 00:06:45.05 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:29:36.26] [Frames: 53306]		
   	  [Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 07] [V/C Id:  2/ 7]          : time: 00:07:04.26 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:36:41.22] [Frames: 66052]		
   	  [Ch 08] [Pg 08] [Cell 08] [V/C Id:  2/ 8]          : time: 00:09:22.19 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:46:04.11] [Frames: 82931]		
   	  [Ch 09] [Pg 09] [Cell 09] [V/C Id:  2/ 9]          : time: 00:05:49.15 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:51:53.26] [Frames: 93416]		
   	  [Ch 10] [Pg 10] [Cell 10] [V/C Id:  2/10]          : time: 00:09:32.11 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:01:26.07] [Frames: 110587]		
   	  [Ch 11] [Pg 11] [Cell 11] [V/C Id:  2/11]          : time: 00:02:06.15 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:03:32.22] [Frames: 114382]		
   	                  [Cell 12] [V/C Id:  3/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:13.14 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:03:46.06] [Frames: 114786]		
   	  [Ch 12] [Pg 12] [Cell 13] [V/C Id:  3/ 2]          : time: 00:04:55.15 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:08:41.21] [Frames: 123651]		
   	  [Ch 13] [Pg 13] [Cell 14] [V/C Id:  3/ 3]          : time: 00:02:30.21 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:11:12.12] [Frames: 128172]		
   	  [Ch 14] [Pg 14] [Cell 15] [V/C Id:  3/ 4]          : time: 00:03:44.09 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:14:56.21] [Frames: 134901]		
   	  [Ch 15] [Pg 15] [Cell 16] [V/C Id:  3/ 5]          : time: 00:07:19.21 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:22:16.12] [Frames: 148092]		
   	  [Ch 16] [Pg 16] [Cell 17] [V/C Id:  3/ 6]          : time: 00:03:38.15 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:25:54.27] [Frames: 154647]		
   	  [Ch 17] [Pg 17] [Cell 18] [V/C Id:  3/ 7]          : time: 00:05:53.29 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:31:48.26] [Frames: 165266]		
   	  [Ch 18] [Pg 18] [Cell 19] [V/C Id:  3/ 8]          : time: 00:06:13.01 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:38:01.27] [Frames: 176457]		
   	  [Ch 19] [Pg 19] [Cell 20] [V/C Id:  3/ 9]          : time: 00:03:00.10 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:41:02.07] [Frames: 181867]		
   	  [Ch 20] [Pg 20] [Cell 21] [V/C Id:  3/10]          : time: 00:01:59.09 / 30 fps     [Pos: 01:43:01.16] [Frames: 185446]		
   			
   	PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:11.26 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:11.26 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:00:11.26] [Frames: 356]		
   			
   	PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:01:44.00 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 4)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  4/ 1]          : time: 00:01:44.00 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:01:44.00] [Frames: 3120]		
   			
   	PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:01:21.00 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 5)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  5/ 1]          : time: 00:01:21.00 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:01:21.00] [Frames: 2430]		
   			
   	PGC_5 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 5] [00:00:32.01 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  6/ 1]          : time: 00:00:32.01 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:00:32.01] [Frames: 961]		
   			
   	PGC_6 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 6] [00:00:07.00 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 7)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  7/ 1]          : time: 00:00:07.00 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:00:07.00] [Frames: 210]		
   			
   	PGC_7 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 7] [00:01:08.00 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 8)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  8/ 1]          : time: 00:01:08.00 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:01:08.00] [Frames: 2040]		
   			
   	PGC_8 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 8] [00:00:29.29 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 9)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  9/ 1]          : time: 00:00:29.29 / 30 fps     [Pos: 00:00:29.29] [Frames: 899]

PGC_1 is the movie, of course.
PGC_2 is the splash segment.
PGC_s 3 and 4 are trailers.
PGC_s 5-8 are a bunch of weighty FBI/Warning segments.

I did a test, stripping PGC_5. Before I got to the IFOUpdate part, I checked the files with InstantCopy and DVD Shrink; both would read them. PGC_5 looked like this at this point:


Code:
   	PGC_5 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 5] [00:00:00.00 / 30 fps] (Programs: 0) (Cells: 0)

Can't stay in this state though, right? Maybe cause navigation problems? Then, I did that IFOUpdate thing and I got this whacked IFO; I dumped it to a text file and it was like a 100K larger than the backup!! Wouldn't read in DVD Shrink, either.

Anyways, I tried something different...this time going after PGC_s 5-8, doing something kind of like in my previous message above. I started fresh and went into the VTS_PGCITI table and changed all of them to have the "Cell_1: has VOB ID" to VOB-ID 1 (splash segment). I also changed in the individual VTS_PGC_s the "Playback time" to 82.

THEN, I used the IFOEdit VOB Extras and stripped out the VOB-IDs that were being used by PGC_s 5-8 (VOB-IDs 6-9). The resultant files loaded up without fault in DVD Shrink and InstantCopy. The VOB Extras function reset the Playback times to that of PGC_2 (VOB-ID 1), but I figure I can go into the indivual PGC_ structures and set those to 82, as in the procedure.

What do you guys think?

Also, is this in the right forum?!!
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I would also like an answer to this question. I followed guide #7 and the ifo was screwed up. The dvd chapters were messed up in the menu, and the audio was missing on some tracks only AFTER i had used ifoupdate, it worked fine before using ifoupdate.
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I just recently posted this guide for partially blanking out Titlesets with Multiple PGCs. Can you try it out for me on your movie? You'll still have a valid DVD structure.
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MackemX, are you out there? Or other IFOLords?? Need help...
Sorry, I forgo to come back to this thread but truth is, I haven't had time to test the methods but it looks ok to me in theory though

@2COOL, I tried splitting VOB's and rebuilding them a while back but gave up using other methods instead

I now see my mistake

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This is where we check to see that all VTS_02_001.VOB is correct as above. It should be the same. Skipping the next two VOBs, VTS_02_004.VOB is showing VOB ID: 1 and CELL ID: 1. Since 004.VOB represents our PGC_3, it should be 13 and 1. So to change the ID values, double click on line and input the required number and press OK to set. VOBedit is kind of confusing here so I let you know. Pressing OK not only sets, it saves. VOBedit does not automatically refresh the screen to display changes but if you click on 000000, under LBA column again, it will now.
thanks for the info 2COOL, keep up the good work and hopefully some clever person can automate this process one day
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2Cool...

I'm a little perplexed by the approach you took in that guide. I might be missing something here...

Wouldn't it have been simpler, in that example, to just do VOB Extras in IFOEdit and strip VOB-IDs 1-5, 13-18, then fix up the corresponding titles' chapter counts for PGC_1 and PGC_3 in VIDEO_TS.IFO and be done with it (i.e., use MackemX Procedure #2).

Your VOB-IDs would have been renumbered, but IFOEdit would have accounted for that with changes to the IFOs. Yes?

Ok, ponder that for a second...



My discovery here, in trying MackemX Procedure #7 "Removing ALL VOB ID's from the Movie/Extras PGC of a Multiple PGC IFO and create a dummy entry (this stops List index out of bounds (X) error)", was that I think I found an easier way. I don't don't know if it introduces a little bit of slop into the technique, but it seems to be working for me.

The thing that was new for me in the above code example that I gave, was the absence of a second VOB-ID of sub-second length in each program chain. That is the classic case for which we employ MackemX Procedure #2 "Removing PART of the Movie/Extras VOB ID's but not all of them".

I couldn't strip the VOB-IDs that were associated with say, PGC_s 5-8, without ending up with orphan program chains (i.e. no chapters, 0 programs, 0 cells). This was also the problem that the original poster of this thread was trying to solve.

My solution was to first point the PGC_s to an existing VOB-ID that I was going to keep, and then execute VOB Extras in IFOEdit and strip the unwanted VOB-IDs. This works, in memory, with IFOEdit -- meaning I don't have to write the IFO files back after making the mods; I can modify the currently opened IFO file, then immediately execute the VOB Extras function.

The side effect, is that the PGC_s inherit the characteristics of the VOB-ID that they were pointed to.

If I point PGC_s 5-8 to VOB-ID 1 (used by PGC_2) in the above code, and strip PGC_s 5-8's original VOB-IDs of 6-9, then the new IFO files that are written have PGC_s 5-8 looking like PGC_2.

At this point, if I bring this content into DVD Shrink, the titles associated with PGC-s 5-8 all look (and play) like the title associated with PGC_2 (which was the DVD's opening splash sequence).

Now, I can't have that.

So, I somewhat follow the second part of MackemX Procedure #7 and edit those PGC_s' play times down to decimal 82 and knock their start/end sectors down to 0. I don't bother to change the streams, though.

The funny thing is, that when I now bring this into DVD Shrink, the titles associated with PGC_s 5-8 are no longer listed (they still are in InstantCopy, though).

I think the end result is pretty much identical to that of MackemX Procedure #7. But it's easier this way, with no IFOUpdate step.

You simply find an existing VOB-ID to point your target titles to, then strip their original VOB-IDs. Then fix them back up after VOB Extras is done.



Now, getting back to your example. Yes, I think that approach might work here, and it might be cleaner also, since you're creating blank VOB-ID content for your stripped titles (versus borrowing against another VOB-ID and 82'ing it's play time).

But my way is quicker (and dirtier)??
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2Cool...

I'm a little perplexed by the approach you took in that guide. I might be missing something here...

Wouldn't it have been simpler, in that example, to just do VOB Extras in IFOEdit and strip VOB-IDs 1-5, 13-18, then fix up the corresponding titles' chapter counts for PGC_1 and PGC_3 in VIDEO_TS.IFO and be done with it (i.e., use MackemX Procedure #2).

Your VOB-IDs would have been renumbered, but IFOEdit would have accounted for that with changes to the IFOs. Yes?

Ok, ponder that for a second...
ummmm...I guess I used a bad example. I just so happen to have the Simpsons Season 3 Multi-PGC episodes on my harddrive so I used that. Yes, you are correct only because, in all my PGCs, the last chapter was a 15ms blank clip. Again, a bad example. So stripping, out the previous VOB-IDs will fix that.

Anyways, stripping certain VOB-IDs in my example does not affect my DVD structure.

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Now, getting back to your example. Yes, I think that approach might work here, and it might be cleaner also, since you're creating blank VOB-ID content for your stripped titles (versus borrowing against another VOB-ID and 82'ing it's play time).

But my way is quicker (and dirtier)??
I haven't tested your method but it looks logical to work. The only scenario I could think of that would be a hassle is if the smallest unwanted cell you had to use was over a minute. Deleting playback wouldn't be problem but the size of the cell would still be there. Bottom line...Good work! I guess you are a "IFOlord" too. I thought I was the only one testing theories ATM.

Interesting thought...IFOedit 0.95 has been around since last year and we are still finding different ways on how to use it.
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@JFerguson,
Believe me @2COOL technique is the exact thing that you want for your solution. I tried it already and the end backup is one super smooth DVD. Just fabulous, thanks @2COOL!

Yes, the example used in the guide is rather poorly suited. On first read, I got the same impression as yours but on subsequent readings I got the magic the guide intended for and its just simply fabulous . In fact your example would be the perfect candidate for applying this guide. Give it a go, guarantee a new high.

Btw, hows that IFOEdit code extraction EXE going. Ready for prime time?

Cheers.

PS. Should this thread really be moved to the IFOEdit forum?

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Well...both methods work but I kinda like JFerguson's way. I decided to tutor the community on a better understanding on how it works. Here's the guide, A Quicker Way to Stripping Multi-PGC Titles.
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LOL, I've got my IFOEdit thinking cap back on again after a few months holiday and I'm busy playing with something and it looks like I'm able to remove individual cells without even stripping in a matter of a few seconds work by changing a few values

so basically just modding the IFO does it, no need for VOB Extras and both IC and DVDShrink recognise the files they way I want and with the correct sizes, no questions asked!

I'll post info & pics after thoroughly testing but at the minute everything seems ok

I can't believe how easy this is if it is going to work! and maybe you guys can help me if I cannot work out exactly what to do if it doesn't

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LOL, I've got my IFOEdit thinking cap back on again after a few months holiday...
I was wondering about your abscence...well, just to let you know...your IFOLord status certification was about to expire. You need to recertify yourself again!
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