IC7 error after ifo modification (part 2) - Page 2

voo_doo99 · 3rd September 2003, 22:36

Quote:

Originally posted by 2COOL
Well...both methods work but I kinda like JFerguson's way.

Guess it has to fit ones style for adoption. I read other guides before and never warmed to it. Some seems just either has too many hard-to-relate steps or relies on trickery above an average understanding of the tool or the DVD structure. I learn to appreciate a technique that is straight forward in concept and procedure.

But as they say, different strokes for different folks.

. Your selfless efforts are always applauded.

MackemX · 3rd September 2003, 23:07

huh!, it looks like this method works and it's very simple

anyone available for testing at this minute?

JFerguson · 4th September 2003, 07:08

Hey, guys! Ok, I'm gonna take a couple of these...

From 2Cool:

Quote:

I haven't tested your method but it looks logical to work. The only scenario I could think of that would be a hassle is if the smallest unwanted cell you had to use was over a minute. Deleting playback wouldn't be problem but the size of the cell would still be there. Bottom line...Good work! I guess you are a "IFOlord" too. I thought I was the only one testing theories ATM.

Ok, consider this title set:

Code:

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:12:52.05 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1)
                                                              (Cells: 1)
                                                              (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:12:52.05 / 30 fps
		
PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:22:47.20 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1)
                                                              (Cells: 1)
                                                              (uses VOB-IDs: 2)
  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  2/ 1]          : time: 00:22:47.20 / 30 fps

I want to kill all of this content. So, point them both to V/C 1/1, strip VOB-ID 2, then zero things out in the PGC_s afterwards?

Well, I do something different. Point PGC_2 to V/C 1/1. Then, Invoke MackemX Procedure #5 "Removing ALL VOB ID's from a Movie/Extras single PGC".

That is, I redirect the program chains to VOB-ID 1, then copy the blank VOB into the source directory, then invoke VOB extras, stripping all streams, and keeping just VOB-ID 1 -- all in memory. Result is this:

Code:

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.25 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) 
                                                              (Cells: 1)
                                                              (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps
		
PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:00.25 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1)
                                                              (Cells: 1)
                                                              (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps

It's fast, and it works.

Another one...in that code example in my prior post (up above a few posts), at one point, I wanted to get rid of PGC_1 (20 programs, 21 cells). Here, I did this:

Stage 5
-------
. VTS_PGCITI | VTS_PGC_1: change Number of Programs (20 -> 1)
. VTS_PGCITI | VTS_PGC_1: change Number of Cells (20 -> 1)
. Jump to VTS_PGCITI, jump back to VTS_PGCITI | VTS_PGC_1
. VTS_PGCITI | VTS_PGC_1: change Cell_1: has VOB ID (2 -> 1)
. VOB-ID strip of VOB-IDs 2,3 for Title(s) 1 (VTS_01*)
. Backup

then...

Stage 7
-------
. Adjust/Zero PGC_(s) 1 Playback Time, streams, sectors, etc. (VTS_01*)
. Get VTS sectors
. Verify in DVD Shrink (Titles 1 not listed)
. Backup

Although, I wonder if it would have been sufficient to not change "Number of Programs", "Number of Cells" in Stage 5 and simply change the Cell_1 VOB-ID to point to VOB-ID 1, and strip VOB-IDs 2,3 from there. Hmmm... that's got me thinking. Anyway, the result was this:

Code:

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.12 / 25 fps] (Programs: 1)
                                                              (Cells: 1)
                                                              (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:00:00.12 / 25 fps
.
.
.

which worked.

Ok, from voo_doo99:

Quote:

@JFerguson,
Believe me @2COOL technique is the exact thing that you want for your solution. I tried it already and the end backup is one super smooth DVD. Just fabulous, thanks @2COOL!

Yes, the example used in the guide is rather poorly suited. On first read, I got the same impression as yours but on subsequent readings I got the magic the guide intended for and its just simply fabulous . In fact your example would be the perfect candidate for applying this guide. Give it a go, guarantee a new high.

Btw, hows that IFOEdit code extraction EXE going. Ready for prime time?

I have no doubt, that I am going to need to use 2Cool's approach at some point, but for cases like these, I gotta go the speed route!

And, yes! I am like a week behind on that IFOEdit macro -- getting beat up in managing compute time vs. nag time. Two major opposing forces!

I'll shoot for the weekend...

and from MackemX:

Quote:

thanks for the info 2COOL, keep up the good work and hopefully some clever person can automate this process one day

Yes, automation is needed. I am seriously considering going back to hacksaw-marker method. I.e, delete VTS_0x.1+.VOBs entirely and write in marker on disc..."Do not click on Special Features!!!"

Did I read somewhere that MenuEdit strips titles???

2COOL · 4th September 2003, 09:29

First of all, to any moderator reading this...can you move this to the IFO/VOB Editors forum. This thread is starting to be more using IFOedit.

Quote:

Originally posted by JFerguson
I want to kill all of this content. So, point them both to V/C 1/1, strip VOB-ID 2, then zero things out in the PGC_s afterwards?

Well, I do something different. Point PGC_2 to V/C 1/1. Then, Invoke MackemX Procedure #5 "Removing ALL VOB ID's from a Movie/Extras single PGC".

That is, I redirect the program chains to VOB-ID 1, then copy the blank VOB into the source directory, then invoke VOB extras, stripping all streams, and keeping just VOB-ID 1 -- all in memory. Result is this:

Code:

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.25 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:00.25 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 1) [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps

It's fast, and it works.

I wanted to try it on a larger scale like my Simpsons Season 3. Yours had a 2 PGCs with single cells. Yes, it will work but you and will have to expect that another DVD might have more PGC cells so my DVD had…

PGC_1 (8 CELLS)
PGC_2 (8 CELLS)
PGC_3 (16 CELLS)
PGC_4 (7 CELLS)
PGC_5 (7 CELLS)
PGC_6 (7 CELLS)
PGC_7 (1 CELL)

Since the custom blank VOB i'll be using had a V/C Id: 1 / 1, I changed ALL my cells as my PGC_1 first cell. This had a V/C Id: 1 / 1.

I did what you mention. Without closing IFOedit 0.95, I swapped out my original VTS_02_1.VOB to VTS_02_7.VOB with a blank VTS_02_1.VOB. I stripped all streams through VOBExtras.

Results:

10 KB VTS_02_1.VOB in…10 KB VTS_02_1.VOB out.

Now, looking at my PGCs. Original number of cells still intact but now show time of 00:00:00.15 each. Now, my original IFO had layer breaks and those were also kept in my new IFOs. Now going back to the 15 ms cells…since each cell now has 15 ms of blank clip playing, it would be a tad slower than having a single one playing.

As for speed is concern, in my guide , it called for a custom multi blank cell VOB. Say, I already had a 7 blank cell VOB already available, which I did. Note: I went and made a 10 VOBs each with a certain amount of blank cells with all showing V/C ids. Anyway, all I have to do is change the 7 V/C Ids in my custom VOB according to each my original PGC starting V/C Ids in VOBEdit and then swap out my original VTS_02_1.VOB to VTS_02_7.VOBs with my new one. Then, it’s just a matter of stripping and correcting.

So the advice is to have a folder with prepared VOBs with different amounts of blank cells. Then all you need is to change the V/C ids.

MackemX · 4th September 2003, 11:45

this is the quick version of my method

I change 7 figures in the IFO, in fact just copy them and click Save which takes seconds, load it into IC8 and it works

DVDShrink require another 2 figures to be changed elsewhere to recognise the IFO and still needs further testing

back soon with a mini guide but basically all I am doing is changing the IFO to trick IC8/DVDShrink into only seeing what I want them to see even though the VOB's are untouched

so you can see the time saved as you do not have to process the VOB's using VOB extras and copying 7

Quote:

Originally posted by 2COOL
First of all, to any moderator reading this...can you move this to the IFO/VOB Editors forum. This thread is starting to be more using IFOedit.

hijackers

JFerguson · 4th September 2003, 15:58

Quote:

Originally posted by 2COOL
Now, looking at my PGCs. Original number of cells still intact but now show time of 00:00:00.15 each. Now, my original IFO had layer breaks and those were also kept in my new IFOs. Now going back to the 15 ms cells…since each cell now has 15 ms of blank clip playing, it would be a tad slower than having a single one playing.

This might be the reason why I changed the Program/Cell counts in my second example down to 1/1, from 20 / 21, before stripping.

Quote:

Originally posted by 2COOL
As for speed is concern, in my guide , it called for a custom multi blank cell VOB. Say, I already had a 7 blank cell VOB already available, which I did. Note: I went and made a 10 VOBs each with a certain amount of blank cells with all showing V/C ids. Anyway, all I have to do is change the 7 V/C Ids in my custom VOB according to each my original PGC starting V/C Ids in VOBEdit and then swap out my original VTS_02_1.VOB to VTS_02_7.VOBs with my new one. Then, it’s just a matter of stripping and correcting.

So the advice is to have a folder with prepared VOBs with different amounts of blank cells. Then all you need is to change the V/C ids.

Yeah, I've thought about this. But Program/Cell reduction (if necessary) + V/C redirection + BLANK VOB still seems faster?

I guess I'm trying to understand why it seems important to keep these V/C pointers intact. They're only relative to their own title set, right?

MackemX · 5th September 2003, 19:22

hmmmmm

I have 5 PGC's as shown below

Code:

   	VTS overview:		
   			
   	Menu attributes:		
   	  Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)		
   	  SubPicture 1: Not Specified        (2-bit rle )		
   			
   	Title Set (Movie) attributes:		
   	  Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)		
   	  Audio 1:      English              (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC       (ID: 0x80)		
   	  SubPicture 1: English              (2-bit rle ) (ID: 0x20)		
   			
   	PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:06:41.02 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:06:40.02 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:06:40.02] [Frames: 10002]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:06:41.02] [Frames: 10027]		
   			
   	PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:15:31.16 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 2,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  2/ 1]          : time: 00:15:30.16 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:15:30.16] [Frames: 23266]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:15:31.16] [Frames: 23291]		
   			
   	PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:50.16 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 3,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  3/ 1]          : time: 00:00:49.16 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:49.16] [Frames: 1241]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:50.16] [Frames: 1266]		
   			
   	PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:03:16.06 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 4,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  4/ 1]          : time: 00:03:15.06 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:03:15.06] [Frames: 4881]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:03:16.06] [Frames: 4906]		
   			
   	PGC_5 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 5] [00:02:17.20 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 5,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  5/ 1]          : time: 00:02:16.20 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:02:16.20] [Frames: 3420]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:02:17.20] [Frames: 3445]

I can remove PGC's 2,3 & 4 and get it to look this with very little work and IC8 works just fine

Code:

   	VTS overview:		
   			
   	Menu attributes:		
   	  Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)		
   	  SubPicture 1: Not Specified        (2-bit rle )		
   			
   	Title Set (Movie) attributes:		
   	  Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)		
   	  Audio 1:      English              (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC       (ID: 0x80)		
   	  SubPicture 1: English              (2-bit rle ) (ID: 0x20)		
   			
   	PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:06:41.02 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  1/ 1]          : time: 00:06:40.02 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:06:40.02] [Frames: 10002]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:06:41.02] [Frames: 10027]		
   			
   	PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:15:31.16 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 2,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  2/ 1]          : time: 00:00:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:00.00] [Frames: 0]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25]		
   			
   	PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:50.16 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 3,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  3/ 1]          : time: 00:00:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:00.00] [Frames: 0]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25]		
   			
   	PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:03:16.06 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 4,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  4/ 1]          : time: 00:00:00.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:00.00] [Frames: 0]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:00:01.00] [Frames: 25]		
   			
   	PGC_5 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 5] [00:02:17.20 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 5,6)		
   	  [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id:  5/ 1]          : time: 00:02:16.20 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:02:16.20] [Frames: 3420]		
   	  [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id:  6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:01.00 / 25 fps     [Pos: 00:02:17.20] [Frames: 3445]

all you do is delete playback of the cell, then goto the relevant VTS_PGC_1 in the VTS_PGCITI table and change the Cell_1: entry point sector to the number shown in Cell_1: start sector of the last VOBU making sure you are changing the same cell as you have just deleted playback for

when you are finished click SAVE,the VOB's are untouched

and it's all done in a matter of seconds once you understand what to do

DVDShrink also recognises what I want but it's sees the 'hidden' stuff as unreferenced

it would be good if you had the option to disable it recognising the unreferenced stuff, as in this example the menu VOB has 115MB of unreferenced material in the original

2COOL · 5th September 2003, 20:46

@MackemX

I reread your first two posts and found this..

First post:

Quote:

Originally posted by MackemX
I would remux the original VOB's with the blank first then remove VOB ID's after ...

Second post:

Quote:

Originally posted by MackemX
... basically all you need to do is strip all the VOB ID's apart from one

then REMUX the blank .m2V file.

Just wanted to point this out.

MackemX · 5th September 2003, 21:10

I thik you may have read the wrong post but anyway don't they both give the same results?

one strips then remuxes and one remuxes then strips

that was just to help leopardone with his problem and I can't even remember what my guide says but there are a few ways to basically get a 12kb blank file

this is another method for a single PGC which seems to be one of the fastest and easiest

replace the VOB's with the blank 12kb VOB
open the IFO
delete playback of the cells apart from the 0.xx sec cell
click VOB extras
tell it where to save
click OK
click Strip it

takes longer to say it than it does to do it

there's so many ways for so many IFO's to get what you want, it's so confusing

. This method has nothing to do with the above anyway problem. I'm talking rubbish so just ignore me

2COOL · 5th September 2003, 22:44

Quote:

Originally posted by MackemX
this is another method for a single PGC which seems to be one of the fastest and easiest

replace the VOB's with the blank 12kb VOB
open the IFO
delete playback of the cells apart from the 0.xx sec cell
click VOB extras
tell it where to save
click OK
click Strip it

You mean something like this?

I've put out a few new guides during the Labor Day weekend. You should check out my list again. Just click on the

in my sig.

MackemX · 5th September 2003, 23:25

Quote:

Originally posted by 2COOL
You mean something like this?

I've put out a few new guides during the Labor Day weekend. You should check out my list again. Just click on the in my sig.

yeah a little, that was just one of the top of my head but that had a 0.xx sec entry already in the PGC so it makes it simple as you can see by the length of the guide

there are so many scenarios to remove stuff and I just wish I could tick a box and it did it all for me cos although it takes minutes to do it manually I want to do it in seconds cos I'm lazy

JFerguson · 6th September 2003, 01:02

Quote:

Originally posted by 2COOL
You mean something like this?

I've put out a few new guides during the Labor Day weekend. You should check out my list again. Just click on the in my sig.

Hey, that's MackemX Procedure #5 adapted for title sets with more than 1 VOB-ID!

The only thing I do different is strip VOB-IDs which adds about 5 secs to the procedure. Maybe not necessary though, eh?

2COOL · 6th September 2003, 02:30

Quote:

Originally posted by JFerguson
Hey, that's MackemX Procedure #5 adapted for title sets with more than 1 VOB-ID!

Hmmm...I went back and reviewed his Guide #5 again, MODIFYING A SINGLE VOB ID VOB FILE and after he replaced the original VOB with a blank VOB, he mentions to do this next.

Quote:

To fix this I then remux the VOB with a blank.m2v file...

No remuxing in my guide. Just replace and correct IFO.

JFerguson · 6th September 2003, 02:41

Quote:

Originally posted by 2COOL

No remuxing in my guide. Just replace and correct IFO.

Yep, I forgot about that. Too many guides! Better than too little, though!

2COOL · 6th September 2003, 02:57

Quote:

Originally posted by JFerguson
Too many guides! Better than too little, though!

Well, I was thinking on another theory for a version 2 of Partially blanking out Titleset PGCs. It's not a quick but effective. Say, there's a MultiPGC that hasn't got a 15ms VOB. I'll join a blank VOB at the end of the last Title VOB and it'll have, say, a V/C of 99/1. Replace the new VOB with the old VOB. Correct each unwanted with a number of Programs/Cells of 1/1 and also it's associated VOB_ID: and CELL_ID: at the bottom of the same page to 99/1. Then all I need to to do is strip and correct. Might work.

MackemX · 6th September 2003, 08:18

bring on IFOEdit 0.96

2COOL · 6th September 2003, 08:27

Quote:

Originally posted by MackemX
bring on IFOEdit 0.96

We haven't explored the full potential of 0.95 yet! I think there are more tricks to discover in it.

MackemX · 6th September 2003, 09:11

if you use IC8 as your weapon of choiice, your IFOEdit executions seem to be less to elimate the crap you don't want

there's no need for the extra time consuming bits

so many shortcuts can be used, it's great and most involve just changing a few figures in the VTS_PGCITI to 'hide' what you don't want

whereas previously IC7, you needed to do extra

these methods are dirty but they work so I'm happy and a big thumbs up to Pinnacle

If a GUI IFO editing tool could be made where it gave you the option to change figures in a PGC_x entry in the VTS_PGCITI, by use of copy/paste or basic hands on editing would be a great tool to have. I have visions of what it could do but ain't gotta clue how to make it

are there any people out there who can read data from an IFO, edit it and write it back to an IFO?

that was my reason for calling on IFOEdit 0.96

smilie invasion

5th September 2003, 21:10	#29 \| Link
MackemX ..DVD GOD.. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,838	I thik you may have read the wrong post but anyway don't they both give the same results? one strips then remuxes and one remuxes then strips that was just to help leopardone with his problem and I can't even remember what my guide says but there are a few ways to basically get a 12kb blank file this is another method for a single PGC which seems to be one of the fastest and easiest replace the VOB's with the blank 12kb VOB open the IFO delete playback of the cells apart from the 0.xx sec cell click VOB extras tell it where to save click OK click Strip it takes longer to say it than it does to do it there's so many ways for so many IFO's to get what you want, it's so confusing . This method has nothing to do with the above anyway problem. I'm talking rubbish so just ignore me Last edited by MackemX; 5th September 2003 at 21:20.

3rd September 2003, 23:07	#22 \| Link
MackemX ..DVD GOD.. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,838	huh!, it looks like this method works and it's very simple anyone available for testing at this minute?

6th September 2003, 08:18	#36 \| Link
MackemX ..DVD GOD.. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,838	bring on IFOEdit 0.96

6th September 2003, 09:11	#38 \| Link
MackemX ..DVD GOD.. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,838	if you use IC8 as your weapon of choiice, your IFOEdit executions seem to be less to elimate the crap you don't want there's no need for the extra time consuming bits so many shortcuts can be used, it's great and most involve just changing a few figures in the VTS_PGCITI to 'hide' what you don't want whereas previously IC7, you needed to do extra these methods are dirty but they work so I'm happy and a big thumbs up to Pinnacle If a GUI IFO editing tool could be made where it gave you the option to change figures in a PGC_x entry in the VTS_PGCITI, by use of copy/paste or basic hands on editing would be a great tool to have. I have visions of what it could do but ain't gotta clue how to make it are there any people out there who can read data from an IFO, edit it and write it back to an IFO? that was my reason for calling on IFOEdit 0.96 smilie invasion