A new tagging standard for matroska .... - Page 2

mf · 4th January 2004, 22:50

Directshow also has a playlist interface (make a tag in the MKV file: chapterlist behaves as playlist), that works fine with WMP and MPC. The ASX reader uses it.

jjseth · 14th January 2004, 15:06

Yes, i use them, but only the very basic ones

haibane · 14th January 2004, 19:48

I have only used the language tag for the subtitle files......
I am also planning to use timecode file to do vfr in matroska......
Are these effected?
I really don't mind as long as their playback ability is no effected, and here is a easy way to convert to new tags............

ChristianHJW · 15th January 2004, 06:09

[QUOTE]Originally posted by haibane I have only used the language tag for the subtitle files......[] .. language is an important track element, and not a tag.

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I am also planning to use timecode file to do vfr in matroska......Are these effected? I really don't mind as long as their playback ability is no effected, and here is a easy way to convert to new tags............

... dont worry, nothing will change here. Timestamps are really basic stuff in the blocks of a MKV file, tags get atached usually to the end of a file and contain only info on the content, not basic stuff like the things you mentioned ....

Blight · 16th January 2004, 04:04

ChristianHJW:
I've recently implemented the APETAG v2 system into ZP, it's a VERY simple interface to support and it's easily extendable. Perhaps MKV should just use that.

http://www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk...v8/apetag.html

Atamido · 16th January 2004, 08:02

APEv2 tags cannot be exactly implemented in Matroska as it goes against the basic design. However the new tagging system is very similar in functionality to APEv2. Any program that can parse Matroska and supports APEv2 should be able to write the new Matroska tags. The Matroska tags also offer the ability to have nested tags and to have tags that are specific to tracks and/or chapters and/or attachments.

robUx4 · 16th January 2004, 10:04

In other words APEv2 is not enough for all the features we want to allow.

KpeX · 16th January 2004, 20:29

I like how the new tagging works with the new Foobar plugin, it's great for music. Is anything using the new tagging system yet other than MKVMerge and the Foobar plugin? ( I couldn't find a version of the shell extension later than 2.3)

Blight · 19th January 2004, 02:26

Well, it'd be a lot more difficult (and slow) having to parse the entire matroska stream to find the tags, that's the whole point of putting it at the end of the file, very easy to detect

Atamido · 19th January 2004, 03:49

In Matroska, the reason for putting it at the end is so that it is easy to edit. At the beginning of most Matroska files there is an index that points to where everything else is. (Its not necessary, but it makes things faster) Because of this, you could put the Tags anywhere and it would take the same amount of time to find them. But, if you edit the Tags and it makes it bigger than the space that you allotted for them in the middle of a file, you have to rewrite a good amount of the file. If they are at the end, then you just keep expanding the size.

View Poll Results: Are you using tags in your MKV files already ?
No, i dont use tags, because i dont need them	10	13.51%
No, i dont use tags, because the apps to read/write them suck	29	39.19%
Yes, i use them, but only the very basic ones	29	39.19%
Yes, i use them, and many of them	6	8.11%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

14th January 2004, 15:06	#22 \| Link
jjseth Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 83	Yes, i use them, but only the very basic ones __________________ SethNet.tk MKVextractGUI Smile, tomorrow will be worst Sorry my poor english

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Blight Software Developer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 1,005	ChristianHJW: I've recently implemented the APETAG v2 system into ZP, it's a VERY simple interface to support and it's easily extendable. Perhaps MKV should just use that. http://www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk...v8/apetag.html __________________ Yaron Gur Zoom Player . Lead Developer

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KpeX Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Great Lakes, USA Posts: 1,433	I like how the new tagging works with the new Foobar plugin, it's great for music. Is anything using the new tagging system yet other than MKVMerge and the Foobar plugin? ( I couldn't find a version of the shell extension later than 2.3) __________________ KpeX Audio FAQs: General \| BeSweet \| SVCD/MP2 \| MP3 \| Vorbis \| AC3 \| DTS \| AAC Linux Audio/Video FAQ

19th January 2004, 02:26	#29 \| Link
Blight Software Developer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Israel Posts: 1,005	Well, it'd be a lot more difficult (and slow) having to parse the entire matroska stream to find the tags, that's the whole point of putting it at the end of the file, very easy to detect __________________ Yaron Gur Zoom Player . Lead Developer

4th January 2004, 22:50	#21 \| Link
mf · Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,729	Directshow also has a playlist interface (make a tag in the MKV file: chapterlist behaves as playlist), that works fine with WMP and MPC. The ASX reader uses it.

14th January 2004, 19:48	#23 \| Link
haibane Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 58	I have only used the language tag for the subtitle files...... I am also planning to use timecode file to do vfr in matroska...... Are these effected? I really don't mind as long as their playback ability is no effected, and here is a easy way to convert to new tags............

16th January 2004, 08:02	#26 \| Link
Atamido Señor Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 915	APEv2 tags cannot be exactly implemented in Matroska as it goes against the basic design. However the new tagging system is very similar in functionality to APEv2. Any program that can parse Matroska and supports APEv2 should be able to write the new Matroska tags. The Matroska tags also offer the ability to have nested tags and to have tags that are specific to tracks and/or chapters and/or attachments.

16th January 2004, 10:04	#27 \| Link
robUx4 Matroska Team Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Paris, France Posts: 421	In other words APEv2 is not enough for all the features we want to allow.

19th January 2004, 03:49	#30 \| Link
Atamido Señor Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 915	In Matroska, the reason for putting it at the end is so that it is easy to edit. At the beginning of most Matroska files there is an index that points to where everything else is. (Its not necessary, but it makes things faster) Because of this, you could put the Tags anywhere and it would take the same amount of time to find them. But, if you edit the Tags and it makes it bigger than the space that you allotted for them in the middle of a file, you have to rewrite a good amount of the file. If they are at the end, then you just keep expanding the size.