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View Poll Results: Are you using tags in your MKV files already ? | |||
No, i dont use tags, because i dont need them | 10 | 13.51% | |
No, i dont use tags, because the apps to read/write them suck | 29 | 39.19% | |
Yes, i use them, but only the very basic ones | 29 | 39.19% | |
Yes, i use them, and many of them | 6 | 8.11% | |
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24th December 2003, 22:48 | #1 | Link |
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A new tagging standard for matroska ....
Hi guys,
we are in the process of redefining the tagging system in matroska, mainly because we believe nobody is actively using it. However, if we do so the old tags may become spec incompliant, depending on how we do it. For this reason, here my question to you : Are you using the tagging system in matroska currently ? |
25th December 2003, 00:15 | #2 | Link |
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hey there christian, i voted in option 2 because i only use mmg (mkvtoolnix) to create mkv and mka files and tagging there needs a outside file (or is there a option i don't know?), vdubmod has a easy tagging system but i think it would be easier to do the muxing and tagging in one place
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25th December 2003, 05:19 | #3 | Link |
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I'm gonna agree with #2. I use mmg to create my mkv files, and without a ready easy to use way of tagging the files I have no reason to do so.
As well, from what I understand there is no interface for players to read the tags anyways, which makes me wonder why I would goto the trouble of adding extra frivulous information. It might be different if I were doing professional work, but as a backup artist I really have no reason to go out of my way to create a tag file and add it to the encode. Gizmo. |
25th December 2003, 11:50 | #4 | Link |
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I voted for 2. The formulation is a little bit harsh, but I never saw the fun in using an external file to do some tagging. Actually I'd prefer a system for MKA that can be used like the APE2 tags of Musepack. For example through switches like '--title' (already there) at muxing stage in mkvmerge. Cheers, tiki4 |
25th December 2003, 15:22 | #5 | Link |
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Who is the one vote that is using the tags i ask ? Can you briefly tell us what tags you were using, and for what purpose ? If we provide you with a tool to change old tags to new tags, could you use it on your files, IF we decided to make a new tagging system ?
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25th December 2003, 18:53 | #6 | Link |
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I'm not the one but I'd like to see a tag editor similar to the foobar's default editor.
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26th December 2003, 00:31 | #8 | Link |
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I use as much tags as I can fullfill (and have patience to...), option #4 (nope, I'm not the one you asked for, Chris ) although it's more a #3.5.
I don't mind them being changed but making the old ones not spec-compliant seems to me a lot like anti-matroska; things should be easy to add/replace without breaking old specs. IMHO old tagging should be deprecated but not incompliant. As for which ones I use... I wrote some crappy code to generate the XML file so I added them as needed out of the top of my head: multilegal, multicomments, multititle and encoder related. Again I don't mind them being obsolete and not handled by any player, but don't like the idea of some older matroska feature becoming spec incompliant. |
26th December 2003, 01:52 | #9 | Link |
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outlyer... we all agree on that point about being non-compliant. It is a trade-off... and the move would have to be done now before we get to 1.0.... on the positive side it would allow third party developers to adopt the tagging system without having to code 2000+ lines.
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Some stats from the MSE codebase Tag User Interface 3300 lines Tag Reading 1100 Tag Writing 700 With the fb2k plugin using the new tagging system. UI N/A (fb2k handles this) Reading 220 Writing 120
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30th December 2003, 20:38 | #14 | Link |
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I am currently using tags but not for anything important, I wouldn't mind if they were not shown using a new tagging system if the files were still playable. Third party support is much more important. (does this affect attachments? - I assume not...).
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30th December 2003, 22:43 | #15 | Link |
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nope, attachments are not related to tagging. Thus no fear, they are not lost.
I used some extended tags in a handful of encodes, but i don't mind if they are lost. Having to reencode the movie, on the other hand, were quite unlucky - given their playlength and a p3/600 encoding box
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31st December 2003, 04:52 | #16 | Link |
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hi,
i can't say i have really been using the matroska container apart from a few file size comparisons with my previous container of preference, ogm. the reason was mostly cause i hadn't looked into matroska deep enough, until recently that is, when i found out that matroska is really cool! really great work there devs as for the tags: i really like them and would use as much as i could if it was a bit easier to use them and the players had better support for them, hence i voted #2 breaking scec compliance is bad, but i think you have a pretty good reason for it and the side effects aren't really that important + if you should ever do such a thing, now is the time for it since matroska is still quite young |
31st December 2003, 07:48 | #17 | Link |
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1. Any files that are already made will play fine. The tags do not affect playback.
2. The Matroska Shell Extension will likely automatically convert old tags to new ones, this would be quick as it would only have to rewrite a little data at the end of the file. 3. Attachments can now be tagged with the same system used to tag tracks and chapters. |
4th January 2004, 09:11 | #18 | Link |
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I currently i don't encode anything in matroska so you can ignore what i have to say, (nor have i looked at the tagging system) but...
I remember reading about using the chapter system in matroska audio container. I was wondering about how you would tag a file where the different chapters were different songs by different artists. Some input plugins for popular media players (like winamp) where it would show each chapter/song in a matroska container as a separate track. I would love to code something like this my self but i'm not really smart enough to do codec coding.
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4th January 2004, 12:48 | #19 | Link |
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It has nothing to do with codec coding. And yes, you can tag a chapter separately. So each part of a whole file can have its own description. It seems to be supported by the fooobar2000 player already (.mka support).
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