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16th April 2014, 12:54 | #26001 | Link | |
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BTW using monostatic ED1 LL, low debanding, CC AR LL downscaling, J3AR upscaling for chroma & luma, with my 1Ghz 7850 I used to be capped to: -64x NNEDI luma for <=24p >=1.85 720p@1080p -32x NNEDI luma for >=25p 720p@1080p Now with the new bulds, I can do 64x NNEDI luma for <=25p 720p@1080p but that's still a no-go for 29.97fps. |
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16th April 2014, 13:44 | #26002 | Link |
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Tested with Core i5-3570K + Z77 + DDR3-2400 8GB + HD7970 (PCIe Gen3 x16, Catalyst 13.12) on Win7x64SP1. Both test build#1 and build#2 allow more stressful NNEDI3 settings if compared to 0.87.9.
Yet test build2 has obviously less impact on concurrent GPU deinterlacing job's performance than test build1. Here is the test build's top playback settings with Debanding+Angle_detection, No_Dithering options on HD7970: [720x480i60 to 1920x1080p60] Chroma scaling: NNEDI3_32 (was NNEDI3_16) Image Doubling: Luma with NNEDI3_32, Chroma with NNEDI3_32 (Chroma was NNEDI3_16) Image Up-scaling: Jinc3_AR (was Bi-cubic 100 AR) [1280x720p24 to 1920x1080p24] Chroma scaling: NNEDI3_32 (was NNEDI3_16 with Luma NNEDI3 doubling) Image Doubling: Luma with NNEDI3_64 (was NNEDI3_32 at max) Image Up-scaling: Jinc3_AR Image Down-scaling: Spline3_AR [1440x1080i60 to 1920x1080p60] Chroma scaling: NNEDI3_32 (was NNEDI3_16) Image Doubling: Luma with NNEDI3_32 (was impossible) Image Up-scaling: Jinc3_AR Image Down-scaling: Spline3_AR [1920x1080p24 P10 to 1920x1080p24] Chroma scaling: NNEDI3_128 (was NNEDI3_64) [1920x1080i60 to 1920x1080p60] Chroma scaling: NNEDI3_32 (was NNEDI3_16) Last edited by pie1394; 17th April 2014 at 01:04. Reason: correct 1280x720p24 max setting on 0.87.9 |
16th April 2014, 13:59 | #26003 | Link |
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Its weird that you would see a difference SLI or not Nvidia systems shouldn't have the interop issue. Given that you saw apparent improvement with the test builds I tried them on an Optimus system using the Nvidia gpu for mpc, and NNEDI3. It made no difference on the Optimus system. Nvidia users don't need to waste time trying this test build.
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16th April 2014, 14:21 | #26004 | Link |
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well who knows we may see some improvements coming our way for us nvidia users , sure would like to get more optimization for my titan over here , get some stuttery playback on some movies here and there even on 720p content sometimes , am using NNEDI64 for chroma upscaling, which seems to
be pretty hardcore on my titan with image doubling but with jinc3 for chroma upscaling i dont get any occasional stuttering , odd, my image doubling settings are NNEDI64 for both luma doubling at 1.5 scaling factor and quadrupling at 3.0 scaling factor and 16 NEEDI on both chroma doubling at 1.5 scaling and quadruppling at 3.0 scaling factor error diffusion is set to option 1 and smooth motion set to only if motion judder without it, debanding is enabled medium to high , the trade quality for performance only has one option checked and that is dont use linear light for dithering which was preset no idea why Last edited by sexus; 16th April 2014 at 14:25. |
16th April 2014, 15:11 | #26005 | Link |
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Hey Madshi, your reply about the AMD interop problem has been forwarded to the AMD driver team. Hopefully in the future we will see some improvements relating to this issue and maybe a complete resolution.
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16th April 2014, 16:01 | #26007 | Link |
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For me the difference of the new test builds can be summarized as follows: with build 1 I can do NEEDI3 at 32 neurons scaling 1280x720p@29.97fps to 1080p. With build 2 I cannot, it just drops frames. It is a huge improvement for my aging Radeon 5850.
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16th April 2014, 16:52 | #26008 | Link |
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NNEDI3 produces an entirely different set of artifacts compared to traditional upscalers, and increasing neurons decreases these artifacts. Having 16 neurons is generally considered to be comparable to Jinc 3 in terms of having "equivalent degrees" of distortion on an image, though these are often also considered "nicer" artifacts, particularly with anime. 64 neurons is where you really see the wonders of NNEDI3 though, rather than just looking at a "nicer" distorted image.
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16th April 2014, 19:06 | #26011 | Link |
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Not yet, madshi caught me by surprise with yesterday's faster builds and I'm still kinda reluctant to buying a graphic card with a 128bit memory bus...Lucky me, my seller rarely checks his emails and it would appear that the white dots I was getting were due to a malfunctioning flat HDMI cable(thrown as a freebie with a TV), for some supernatural reason it would act up when the GPU reached 70°C and dots would disappear a few mins later...and that never happened on the windows desktop
hu1kamania was kind enough to post results using his o/c 750Ti, it's essentially on par with a 7850 without the interop lag lottery and saving ±70W in the process |
16th April 2014, 22:52 | #26012 | Link | |
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Optimus is not similar to SLI in any way. I agree there is no need for single Nvidia GPU users to test these builds but I would love to see someone else test SLI performance. (And CF users, are there no CF users anymore?) I noticed a lot of Optimus specific options when editing profiles with Nvidia Inspector, has anyone played with them to see if madVR behavior can be improved on an Optimus system? |
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16th April 2014, 23:07 | #26013 | Link |
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Test version is not working !
Hi guys...
...for some esoteric reason, when I overwrite those files of the last test version (AMD Interop) over my default instalation, MPC-HC stops loading MadVR (start using LAV render instead). I rename "madVRinteropTest2.ax" to "madVR.ax" and put the ".ax", the ".dll" and the ".exe" files over previous files. What am I doing wrong ? Any advice ? Thanks in advance. |
17th April 2014, 01:25 | #26014 | Link | |
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Do you still want the debug log? Last edited by Stereodude; 17th April 2014 at 01:31. |
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17th April 2014, 02:19 | #26015 | Link |
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Uninstall everything, do a registry cleanup with CCleaner or whatever, reinstall everything, give your user account full control of the madVR folder and files. The latter part is probably the only real problem here, but the former is always nice to do once in a while.
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17th April 2014, 05:56 | #26016 | Link |
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Hi all.
I have been testing build 1 with overclocked 290X and I think these are the best settings so far for me without dropped frames: 1920x1080 10bit @ 23.97fps to 2560x1600 Debanding on, Error Diffusion 1 dithering, all trade quality settings unticked and Smooth Motion on Chroma & Image upscaling: Jinc 3 taps + ar NNEDI3 Luma doupling: 64 neurons NNEDI3 Luma quadrupling: 64 neurons Way faster compared to normal build where I was dropping frames like no other. In which order should you enable those NNEDI3 algorithms? I'm guessing Luma 2x, 4x, Chroma 2x, 4x, Chroma upscaling |
17th April 2014, 09:26 | #26017 | Link | |
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Also you did not mention what Image downscaling you use QB
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17th April 2014, 11:07 | #26019 | Link | |
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Just testing how much my card can take before choking. Still trying to figure out the best compromise between image quality and speed. |
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17th April 2014, 13:06 | #26020 | Link |
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There seems to be just as many ppl who prefer one build or the other, maybe madshi will come up with a version sharing the best of both builds? Or are we gonna end up with a sub-option in mvR's config panel in order fix AMD's sloppy drivers?
I'm still surprised to see that they haven't released WHQL drivers in +4 months now, if we're lucky they'll have the kindness of releasing some by the end of the year. I'm not installing beta drivers, especially when I see that the latest ones might brick R9 290X Lightning boards due to bogus fan speeds under load...that's what I call beta. |
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