Announcing Project Rémoulade [DivX H.264 codec] - Page 11

x264lover · 14th June 2008, 23:46

Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt but... will we able to encode into DivX h.264 with your tools or is it just a h264 decoder? And will DivX support other audio codecs such FLAC, AAC?

I know it's off-topic but I gotta ask it.

See you.

Sophocles · 15th June 2008, 02:11

x264lover

One of my hopes as well, although we can already do that with other *.264 flavors. My hope is that it will also be followed by a DiVx certified player that will permit burning an HD backup to a standard dual layered disc with 720P/1080P.

x264lover · 15th June 2008, 20:51

Yeah!

It would be great.
I love x264, I mean watching videos and all with this codec but I don't know how to use it properly.

Sophocles · 15th June 2008, 21:24

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I love x264, I mean watching videos and all with this codec but I don't know how to use it properly.

You will get the hang of it with a little time and practice. If you want to start encoding your own movies there are some decent easier to use applications that will simplify things a bit such as FairUse Wizard.

DigitAl56K · 16th June 2008, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Sophocles

x264lover

One of my hopes as well, although we can already do that with other *.264 flavors. My hope is that it will also be followed by a DiVx certified player that will permit burning an HD backup to a standard dual layered disc with 720P/1080P.

I'll be starting another thread on that in a little while

the_corona · 17th June 2008, 10:21

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Originally Posted by DigitAl56K

I'll be starting another thread on that in a little while

Can you give us any news on the decoder? Is a Beta 3 coming soon? Can we expect further speed improvement or is work focused on bug-fixes/compatibility from now on?

sparky · 17th June 2008, 20:12

Beta 3 is coming. Current target is early next week. You'll see some further speed improvements. We're mostly targeting AMD's and older systems, but you'll see some gains on a P4 as well. We're also fixing bugs as we become aware of them. Beta 3 will take care of DVBViewer issues and fix a number of reported crashes.

Shinigami-Sama · 18th June 2008, 08:45

well I just got xp64 running on my laptop
xp32 coming soon
looking forward to doing some tests now that all my machines are running

iwod · 23rd June 2008, 06:39

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Originally Posted by DigitAl56K

I'll be starting another thread on that in a little while

How long is a little while

DigitAl56K · 23rd June 2008, 15:34

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How long is a little while

I prefer to avoid giving dates because we don't want to set your expectations too early - the next beta will be released when we're happy with it. It's possible that you might see something this week

Ajax_Undone · 25th June 2008, 18:25

@ DigitAl56K wondering if you guys there at Divx are going to be releasing Divx 7 with A CLI Codec... It would be Very beneficial if you did for avs apps...

DigitAl56K · 25th June 2008, 20:11

Yes, there will be a CLI encoder available and it will accept avs input.

Sophocles · 25th June 2008, 21:47

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Yes, there will be a CLI encoder available and it will accept avs input.

I'm interested, when can we know more?

Ajax_Undone · 25th June 2008, 22:05

Thank you very very much

DigitAl56K · 25th June 2008, 22:27

Sophocles,

It's currently in its early stages, and again I don't like committing to dates before I'm reasonably confident in them, but a "baseline" will first be released through Project Rémoulade at DivX Labs and we'll then be looking for feedback on the kind of features and adaptations you would most like to see in order to fulfill your needs and to make it suitable for becoming an option in some of the GUI front-ends that are developed by Doom9 members.

Sophocles · 26th June 2008, 00:59

Good enough, thanks for the reply. There seems a lot to look forward too.

Ranguvar · 26th June 2008, 02:11

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Originally Posted by DigitAl56K

Yes, there will be a CLI encoder available and it will accept avs input.

Keep the good news coming

Can I ask a question, though? As Dark Shikari said before, why doesn't DivX simply make an x264 GUI? I'm sure there's a reason, but I'm not business-minded enough to see it

Dark Shikari · 26th June 2008, 02:17

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Originally Posted by Ranguvar

Keep the good news coming

Can I ask a question, though? As Dark Shikari said before, why doesn't DivX simply make an x264 GUI? I'm sure there's a reason, but I'm not business-minded enough to see it

Probably because they spent a lot of money buying Mainconcept and now have to justify that purchase somehow

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DigitAl56K · 26th June 2008, 03:17

Well, there are many reasons. Here are a few off the top of my head: x264 is GPL'd, so what happens when we want to license an encoder library to a commercial partner so that their software can output DivX files? What do we do if we want to add some algorithm enhancement to an encoder without necessarily divulging the source? How can we provide an encoder to CE manufacturers and others that absolutely must comply to all of the profile specifications that we develop when such strict compliance is not necessarily the goal of x264? If we want to distribute an encoder to end users we can also be held accountable for all of the intellectual property it contains, so we have to be able to be accountable for and thus to control the source - something that isn't possible with x264.

I could go on, but these are just a few reasons why we might need to have our own encoder even though we recognize that x264 itself is also very good encoder.

HTH

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Originally Posted by Dark Shikari

Probably because they spent a lot of money buying Mainconcept and now have to justify that purchase somehow

</cynic>

If only the accounting team were busy justifying expenditures of that size! Then it would be easier for me to slip some new hardware into our budget!

Dark Shikari · 26th June 2008, 03:30

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Originally Posted by DigitAl56K

Well, there are many reasons. Here are a few off the top of my head: x264 is GPL'd, so what happens when we want to license an encoder library to a commercial partner so that their software can output DivX files?

You do what my company does--separate binary. It adds nearly no overhead and is trivial--and better yet it lets you use other GPL'd libraries in the process too.

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What do we do if we want to add some algorithm enhancement to an encoder without necessarily divulging the source?

You stop being so secretive, especially considering rule 1 of video encoding: any sufficiently useful algorithm can and will be reverse-engineered, made better, and implemented in a competitor's product.

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Originally Posted by DigitAl56K

How can we provide an encoder to CE manufacturers and others that absolutely must comply to all of the profile specifications that we develop when such strict compliance is not necessarily the goal of x264?

x264 is strictly compliant. Even if it wasn't, you could fix that, and such a thing would be far easier than developing a (worse) competitor.

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If we want to distribute an encoder to end users we can also be held accountable for all of the intellectual property it contains, so we have to be able to be accountable for and thus to control the source - something that isn't possible with x264.

If you think making your own encoder makes you immune to MPEG-LA fees, you are sorely mistaken; the MPEG-LA does not make any distinction between GPL'd and non-GPL'd encoders when dealing with license fees.

I do understand the real reason though: NIH syndrome. Its very hard to convince a company to avoid re-inventing the wheel.

I welcome yet another competitor though; the more encoders there are in the marketplace, the better x264 looks by comparison.

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x264lover Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9	Hi Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt but... will we able to encode into DivX h.264 with your tools or is it just a h264 decoder? And will DivX support other audio codecs such FLAC, AAC? I know it's off-topic but I gotta ask it. See you.

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Sophocles Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 162	x264lover One of my hopes as well, although we can already do that with other *.264 flavors. My hope is that it will also be followed by a DiVx certified player that will permit burning an HD backup to a standard dual layered disc with 720P/1080P. __________________ "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." Scott Adams

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sparky DivX Team Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 24	Beta 3 is coming. Current target is early next week. You'll see some further speed improvements. We're mostly targeting AMD's and older systems, but you'll see some gains on a P4 as well. We're also fixing bugs as we become aware of them. Beta 3 will take care of DVBViewer issues and fix a number of reported crashes. Last edited by sparky; 17th June 2008 at 23:14.

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Ajax_Undone I dont care so should you Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In hell next to the boiling pit of Lava... Posts: 989	@ DigitAl56K wondering if you guys there at Divx are going to be releasing Divx 7 with A CLI Codec... It would be Very beneficial if you did for avs apps... __________________ My Installer's \|\|

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DigitAl56K Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 936	Yes, there will be a CLI encoder available and it will accept avs input. __________________ DivX Plus Web Player 2.0 (MKV & AVI) (Embed generator) DivX H.264 Decoder with DXVA support Developer portal

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x264lover Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9	Yeah! It would be great. I love x264, I mean watching videos and all with this codec but I don't know how to use it properly.

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Ajax_Undone I dont care so should you Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In hell next to the boiling pit of Lava... Posts: 989	Thank you very very much __________________ My Installer's \|\|

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DigitAl56K Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 936	Sophocles, It's currently in its early stages, and again I don't like committing to dates before I'm reasonably confident in them, but a "baseline" will first be released through Project Rémoulade at DivX Labs and we'll then be looking for feedback on the kind of features and adaptations you would most like to see in order to fulfill your needs and to make it suitable for becoming an option in some of the GUI front-ends that are developed by Doom9 members. __________________ DivX Plus Web Player 2.0 (MKV & AVI) (Embed generator) DivX H.264 Decoder with DXVA support Developer portal

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Sophocles Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 162	Good enough, thanks for the reply. There seems a lot to look forward too. __________________ "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." Scott Adams