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Old 15th June 2010, 13:50   #1  |  Link
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BD Rebuilder 3D Blu Ray

Has anything been accomplished with shrinking 3D BD such as Monsters vs Aliens?
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Old 15th June 2010, 19:35   #2  |  Link
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no muxer, no mvc encoder, in one word not possible.
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Old 15th June 2010, 19:59   #3  |  Link
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Hi!

If that title uses the same (anaglyph - requires "red and green" or "red and blue" glasses) methodology as was used with the "Coraline" and "Journey to the Center of the Earth" 3D BluRays, it can be processed by BD-RB in the normal fashion...

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Old 15th June 2010, 20:31   #4  |  Link
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Hi!

If that title uses the same (anaglyph - requires "red and green" or "red and blue" glasses) methodology as was used with the "Caroline" and "Journey to the Center of the Earth" 3D BluRays, it can be processed by BD-RB in the normal fashion...
No it's MVC-encoded Blu-Ray.
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Old 17th June 2010, 20:07   #5  |  Link
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Interesting

I do not have a 3D encoded blu ray disc to try, but am I right in understanding what has been said above is that we cant use the tools we have been using for standard blu ray streams to compress the 3D multiplexed streams.

If that is the case, is there any work being done in this area.

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Old 18th June 2010, 02:55   #6  |  Link
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I do not have a 3D encoded blu ray disc to try, but am I right in understanding what has been said above is that we cant use the tools we have been using for standard blu ray streams to compress the 3D multiplexed streams.

If that is the case, is there any work being done in this area.

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Not from me. I also don't have a 3D disc to test, or a way to test it.
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Old 18th June 2010, 13:22   #7  |  Link
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thanks

Thanks for reply, at the moment I thinks there's only a few 3D discs around.

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Old 19th June 2010, 02:40   #8  |  Link
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Just saw the following at the DVDFab website:
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DVDFab 7.0.7.0 is out (June 8, 2010)
New version of DVDFab added support for a new copy protection as found on "Shutter Island", added Blu-ray 3D support, and added support for Apple iPhone 4.
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Just saw the following at the DVDFab website:
Whatever "added Blu-ray 3D support" does mean (I'm guessing not much), it's pretty well a given that it does NOT mean it can reencode MVC, right?
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Old 19th June 2010, 08:53   #10  |  Link
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It probably means that it can convert 3d blu-ray to 2d 'movie-only', which is not big deal.
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Old 19th June 2010, 08:53   #11  |  Link
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Just ripping and the end result is double in size when ripping it to HDD folder. If you rip it as an ISO, the file size is ok, but you can't edit anything. And yes, they are MVC encoded. I tested the Panasonic 3D Demo and the conventional tools that we have are of no use. eac3to can demux the streams, but there is no muxer.
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Old 19th June 2010, 09:11   #12  |  Link
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It is possible with avisynth and MVC decoder (coded by alexpk - he have source code for developers.)
Left view on the BD 3D encoded in AVC, but delta in MVC. With alexpk's decoder possible reconstruct RIGHT view from LEFT+delta and encode to any format and stereoscopic layot.
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Thanks for the hint!

I just used H264StereoSource plug-in for AviSynth and encoded a short 30 seconds intro from Panasonic 3D Blu-ray Demo disc (using left+right AVC streams from the main m2ts file).

Even with anaglyph glasses it looks so cool.
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I took a step forward and converted all 1080p demo materials from the Panasonic 3D Demo Blu-ray to anaglyph 3D (red/cyan glasses needed).

I kept the 3D intro, 3D motion background menu and four 3D clips (1920x1080p 23.976).

With this conversion it is possible to watch the blu-ray on all TV sets and blu-ray players (including Panasonic Viera TV with SDHC card).

If there is interest I can post few screenshots and download link.

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Basically, what I did can be used for 3D Blu-ray to anaglyph 3D movie only conversion, which is not bad at all.
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By all means, please do post a link (and, perhaps, a link to "H264StereoSource plug-in?) ;>}

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With this conversion it is possible to watch the blu-ray on all TV sets and blu-ray players (including Panasonic Viera TV with SDHC card).
I've read that the "New" type of 3D requires TVs with 120Hz capability. If this is so, how did you overcome/circumvent that requirement - or are the Panasonic demos anaglyphto start with?

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Links [here].

Overcoming real 3D and converting it to anaglyph 3D requires this plugin for avisynth and takes a lot of time (like ~1.5fps encoding rate).

No, I used 3D blu-ray disc structure, not anaglyph and that's why I posted, because I thought it may be of some interest.



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By all means, please do post a link (and, perhaps, a link to "H264StereoSource plug-in?) ;>}

I've read that the "New" type of 3D requires TVs with 120Hz capability. If this is so, how did you overcome/circumvent that requirement - or are the Panasonic demos anaglyphto start with?
What deank did here is pure anaglyph from a BD 3D source, more exactly the Panasonic 3D Demo disc. So every player can playback this files. And the 3D effects are astonishing compared to the old anaglyph ( now you can have the correct right eye stream ).

To keep all the new 3D features and compatibility with various 3D TV sets and 3D glasses kits, you need to obtain 2 streams ( left and right ) and use Stereoscopic Player. The thing with new 3D stereoscopic files is that you can not play them from your card or usb of your TV set. You can try and do a Side - by - Side conversion, but you'll end up with enormous width and height and thus for not playable from a HDD, usb or card. The only way to play them from a card or usb is to convert them to anaglyph. Or you can connect your tv to the pc and use stereoscopic player.

If you'll like, I can post a tutorial on how it's done with these new Blu-Ray discs, but the decoding / encoding time is insanely slow. 3 fps max on a q9550. It's that the plugin hasn't mature yet and the author abandoned it.


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Old 21st June 2010, 04:20   #18  |  Link
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@deank

The screen shots you've posted do not seem to have the 3D effect. Would you be able to post a large screencap directly from one of the short videos - that might better exhibit the 3D effect? (I've tried Red/Cyan, Red/Blue, and Red/Green glasses, to no avail - other than heightened luminosity)...
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Old 21st June 2010, 08:51   #19  |  Link
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"deank" has already responded to me, in this thread, in a very concise and complete manner...
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Old 21st June 2010, 16:34   #20  |  Link
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@setarip: You can try it now for HD-DVD, too (+SD-DVD). Let me know if you can test it.

I'm sorry to take over the BD-Rebuilder topic, so I'll continue the conversations related to anaglyph 3D in the appropriate topic.

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