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Old 8th November 2016, 14:51   #39981  |  Link
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When can we expect HDR flagging on HDMI?

Based on this looks like it's possible:

https://developer.nvidia.com/display...nuts-and-bolts
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Old 8th November 2016, 15:09   #39982  |  Link
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a greeting to all, I need your advice from experts,
I upscalare 1080p to 4K in madVR image doubling is better to use NEDI or super -xbr sharpness 150? I have a video card gtx 1070
I like super-xbr 100 over NEDI but I like NNEDI3 more if you have the performance, I am not sure how the 1070 performs.
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Old 8th November 2016, 15:44   #39983  |  Link
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a greeting to all, I need your advice from experts,
I upscalare 1080p to 4K in madVR image doubling is better to use NEDI or super -xbr sharpness 150? I have a video card gtx 1070
Hi, Mistery 73, following the recommendation from Asmodian I would say that you can use NNEDI3 easily at 32 Neurons with that card depending on the rest of your madVR config. If you want a cheaper option I would use super-xbr 100 or either super-xbr AB 25.
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Old 8th November 2016, 15:46   #39984  |  Link
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i have to ask this:
https://abload.de/img/whyv10wspi.png

WHY?
Why do you have so many steps in there? I don't understand what you're trying to do or why...

My render report looks much simpler...
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Old 8th November 2016, 15:50   #39985  |  Link
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It's understandable that waifu2 is still not within our grasp GPU wise, but some day GPUs will be strong enough to do it, and I guess we will see it by then!


That new algorithm looks amazing!

Can't wait to have it included in madVR!

Great job madshi! Love the difference in the results!!!

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Old 8th November 2016, 16:08   #39986  |  Link
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Why do you have so many steps in there? I don't understand what you're trying to do or why...

My render report looks much simpler...
http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...ostcount=39994
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When can we expect HDR flagging on HDMI?

Based on this looks like it's possible:

https://developer.nvidia.com/display...nuts-and-bolts
madshi usually doesn't like vendor-specific solutions, but with Microsoft dragging their feet with a generic thing, maybe he might make an exception.
It seems to be a combination of NvAPI extensions to signal metadata, and the new (or rather, re-defined) fp16 surfaces for floating point HDR video samples (as defined by Microsoft, so that part is cross-vendor, hopefully).

Definitely looking forward to proper HDR pass-through in 2017.
If only HDMI 2.0 would have allowed for 4K, 444, 10-bit. When do we get a new one that does that?
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Old 8th November 2016, 16:31   #39988  |  Link
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I like super-xbr 100 over NEDI but I like NNEDI3 more if you have the performance, I am not sure how the 1070 performs.
thanks for the advice .... then in image doubling imposed NNEDI 32 neurons and how should I set chroma upscaling NNEDI 3 64 neurons and superRes 4?
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Old 8th November 2016, 16:49   #39989  |  Link
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I'm contemplating getting a BenQ EX3200R when it'll be out very soon, long story short Windows 1DLUT's when outputting 8bit from mVR killed dynamics but this becomes a non-issue when outputting 10bit from mVR I presume? The windows desktop LUT will be applied in 10bit as well?

I can't seriously be hassled to build 3DLUT's, I prefer to go with a general D65 windows CLUT and map gamuts with a PS script using PotP profiles based on resolution and/or framerate.

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My expectations are around NNEDI3 128-256 neurons worth of hogging.
that good ole crystal ball huh.
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Old 8th November 2016, 16:52   #39990  |  Link
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i read guide about setting up madvr and lav. Most guide tell me to disable all the source filter but doing so my mpc can't open h265 file anymore (or i get audio relapse for video with flac audio).



Is there anything wrong with my set up or it is a normal thing?

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Old 8th November 2016, 16:56   #39991  |  Link
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just leave all activated. using external or internal lavfilter doesn't really matter.
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Old 8th November 2016, 18:17   #39992  |  Link
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a greeting to all, I need your advice from experts,
I upscalare 1080p to 4K in madVR image doubling is better to use NEDI or super -xbr sharpness 150? I have a video card gtx 1070
I'd go with super-xbr. NEDI is too soft/blurry.

With that card, NNEDI3 would be possible and preferred. Chroma upscaling can be set to something lower like super-xbr. Then you can use all of your resources on image doubling (32 to 256 neurons).

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thanks for the advice .... then in image doubling imposed NNEDI 32 neurons and how should I set chroma upscaling NNEDI 3 64 neurons and superRes 4?
Hi, for Chroma Upscaling I would recommend super-xbr 100 with SuperRes at 1 or even without it. I don't like using SuperRes in values higher than 2 because it becomes too aggressive. As always, it is a matter of preference.

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Hi, for Chroma Upscaling I would recommend super-xbr 100 with SuperRes at 1 or even without it. I don't like using SuperRes in values higher than 2 because it becomes too aggressive. As always, it is a matter of preference.
I don't feel SR is worth it on chroma, better to just up the sharpness on whatever your using and save performance doing so in the process, which is why I settled on super-xbr 125 AR.
SR brightens/amplifies things up too much for my liking and doesn't appear to provide any truer reconstruction of the chroma. Of course I tend to watch more animated content and prefer bang for buck.

Super-xbr 100 AR SR1 vs super-xbr 125 AR.


Without SR1 in this image there's considerably less green in the text and no more bright edges but then this is scaled 800% and it's likely you wouldn't notice any difference anyway.
Chroma isn't really something you should waste a lot of resources on, it's just not worth it.

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madshi usually doesn't like vendor-specific solutions, but with Microsoft dragging their feet with a generic thing, maybe he might make an exception.
It seems to be a combination of NvAPI extensions to signal metadata, and the new (or rather, re-defined) fp16 surfaces for floating point HDR video samples (as defined by Microsoft, so that part is cross-vendor, hopefully).

Definitely looking forward to proper HDR pass-through in 2017.
If only HDMI 2.0 would have allowed for 4K, 444, 10-bit. When do we get a new one that does that?
Thank you.

Feels like companies should abandon HDMI, move to DP as it can already do way more
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@madshi: Do you plan, is it possible to optimize hue preserve option for HDR content? High quality option looks way better, but tanks performance. With some bare bone options it already hitting the 16ms mark. https://i.imgbox.com/rVty1gQZ.png I'm just curious, HDR content is probably still not something to invest much time.
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may try a displaycal smpte 2084 3D LUT.

i don't know what settings are close to preserve hue. maybe render intent: preserve saturation.
it should be faster and "better" in general quality.
Usually I would leave rendering intent at colorimetric for best results (despite colorimetric normally clipping, there's always HDR tonemapping for BT.2084).
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Old 9th November 2016, 01:15   #39997  |  Link
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I don't feel SR is worth it on chroma, better to just up the sharpness on whatever your using and save performance doing so in the process, which is why I settled on super-xbr 125 AR.
SR brightens/amplifies things up too much for my liking and doesn't appear to provide any truer reconstruction of the chroma. Of course I tend to watch more animated content and prefer bang for buck.

Super-xbr 100 AR SR1 vs super-xbr 125 AR.


Without SR1 in this image there's considerably less green in the text and no more bright edges but then this is scaled 800% and it's likely you wouldn't notice any difference anyway.
Chroma isn't really something you should waste a lot of resources on, it's just not worth it.
Thanks for pointing it out. I can clearly see the difference.
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Old 9th November 2016, 02:16   #39998  |  Link
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I see

Does this help in any way?



EDIt:::

Seems those things are very different for different videos, but I'm still figuring out what they do exactly.


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or links... and that there is nothing you can do about only the developer.
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