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Old 12th April 2014, 06:09   #20001  |  Link
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i got everything working correctly again no more audio out of sync issues with the mkv imports. all i did was uninstall all the programs including bd-rebuilder and started over from scratch. i believe ffdshow was the problem. i am straight now thanks for your help jdobbs.
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Old 12th April 2014, 06:12   #20002  |  Link
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i got everything working correctly again no more audio out of sync issues with the mkv imports. all i did was uninstall all the programs including bd-rebuilder and started over from scratch. i believe ffdshow was the problem. i am straight now thanks for your help jdobbs.
I find that very interesting. Are you sure you don't have some EXTRA codec installed?
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Old 12th April 2014, 13:48   #20003  |  Link
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Just a word of warning to those like me who are using Dune 3D players - full 3D backups and movie-only backups using BDRB do not play. I suspect the firmware does not support the format without SSIF folders.
I am in the same boat. Full back up of a 3D rip with version 47.04 will not play in Dune 3D. It plays on PS3 but is heavily pixelated with:
FORCE_INMUX_3D=1
FRIM_SW_DECODE=0
FRIM_SW_ENCODE=0
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[04/09/14] BD Rebuilder v0.47.04 (beta)
[17:52:24] Source: RESIDENT_EVIL_RETRIBUTION_3D
- Input BD size: 29.69 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:35:37.731]
- Target BD size: 22.95 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- Quality: Highest (Very Slow), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[17:52:24] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [17:52:24] Processing: VID_00000 (1 of 1)
- [17:52:24] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00000]
- [17:59:33] Reencoding video [VID_00000]
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 137,568 frames
- Bitrate: 28,243 Kbs
- Using FRIMEncoder for MVC encoding
- [17:59:33] Reencoding: VID_00000, Pass 1 of 1
- [18:30:23] Video Encode complete
- [18:30:23] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- [18:30:23] Multiplexing M2TS
- [18:38:34] Scanning for 3D CLPI info...
[18:42:16]PHASE ONE complete
[18:42:16]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [18:42:16] Rebuilding BD-3D file Structure
[18:42:17] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[18:42:17] JOB: RESIDENT_EVIL_RETRIBUTION_3D finished.
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Old 12th April 2014, 15:31   #20004  |  Link
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I did a back-up of Jasper en Julia (English title: Justin and the Knights of Valour) 2D version. BD-RB did "Rebuilding BD-3D file Structure". The result of the back-up is 2D.
Is it possible to disable the MVC 3D output? I'll never do 3D BD's.


[04/12/14] BD Rebuilder v0.47.04 (beta)
[15:54:28] Source: JASPER_EN_JULIA_00000
- Input BD size: 20,59 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:35:54.832]
- Target BD size: 46,26 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Quality: High Quality (Default), ABR
- MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
- Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[15:54:28] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [15:54:28] Processing: VID_00017 (1 of 2)
- [15:54:28] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00017]
- [16:01:38] Reencoding video [VID_00017]
- [16:01:38] Keeping original video (no reencode)
- [16:01:38] Processing audio tracks
- Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
- Track 4353 (nld): Keeping original audio
- Track 4354 (nld): Keeping original audio
- [16:01:39] Processing: VID_00015 (2 of 2)
- [16:01:39] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00015]
- [16:01:42] Reencoding video [VID_00015]
- [16:01:42] Keeping original video (no reencode)
[16:01:42]PHASE ONE complete
[16:01:42]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [16:01:42] Rebuilding BD-3D file Structure
[16:13:49] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[16:13:49] JOB: JASPER_EN_JULIA finished.

[Status]
LABEL=JASPER_EN_JULIA
VERSION=v0.47.04 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=22104889344
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=22104889344
TARGET_SIZE=49666850816
REDUCTION=2.24687172340364
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
SUBS_TO_KEEP=all
BACKUP_MODE=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=-1
INSTANCES=1
DGDECNV=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
SSIF_MODE=-1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=2
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00017]
USE_ORIGINAL=1
AUDIO=111
PGS=11
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=49666767987
NSIZE=0
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00015]
USE_ORIGINAL=1
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=82829
AUDIO=
NSIZE=0
FLINK=0
MLINK=0

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Old 12th April 2014, 17:57   #20005  |  Link
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I'll never do 3D BD's.
Can't you simply buy (less expensive?) 2D versions?
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Old 12th April 2014, 18:58   #20006  |  Link
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audio lags video in import DVD(s)

Ripped DVDs to file using AnyDVD.
File, Import, DVD(s).
Assembled the compilation I wanted.
Did the import process, DVD source files converted to blu-ray file.
Total file size <23.5GB, no shrink needed.
Ran full backup, created .iso file.
Burned .iso file to BD.
BD has nice looking menu, all episodes play.
In all episodes, audio track runs slower than video track.

BDR works great when copying BD to BD, so BDRB.exe, FFDSHOW, Haali Matroska Splitter and AVISYNTH 2.58 should all be OK.

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Old 12th April 2014, 19:20   #20007  |  Link
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Is it possible to disable the MVC 3D output? I'll never do 3D BD's.
Put "IGNORE_3D=1" in BDREBUILDER.ini file and restart program, know it will process all 3d disc and make 2d backup. If you ever decide to do 3D again set value to 0

Another thing you can do is open program and go under setting and choose option "Process 3D video sources as 2D for backup" which basically set above flag on it's own.
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Old 12th April 2014, 20:10   #20008  |  Link
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Hi! Can't you simply buy (less expensive?) 2D versions?
2D and 3D on 1 disc...
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Old 12th April 2014, 20:19   #20009  |  Link
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20'000

I just noticed that this thread passed the 20'000st post today.
Congratulations and a big thanks to jdobbs for his work and continuous support of DVD-RB and BD-RB over many years!
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Old 12th April 2014, 20:32   #20010  |  Link
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Put "IGNORE_3D=1" in BDREBUILDER.ini file and restart program, know it will process all 3d disc and make 2d backup. If you ever decide to do 3D again set value to 0

Another thing you can do is open program and go under setting and choose option "Process 3D video sources as 2D for backup" which basically set above flag on it's own.
Thanks for your help. I've choosen the option "Process 3D video sources as 2D for backup" and it worked fine.

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Old 12th April 2014, 22:37   #20011  |  Link
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JDobbs: hat off to you, for this wonderful software and congrats on over 20,000 post!!
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Old 12th April 2014, 22:49   #20012  |  Link
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All encoding it's ok for me. I was lost not see two M2TS files, but it's ok.
Thank you for your great job.

It's possible to change the FRIMencode level (6 to 7)? I am a poor configuration and I would like to encode more faster.
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Old 13th April 2014, 14:41   #20013  |  Link
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It's no secret. It would be more informative if I could tell you a disc that DIDN'T do this for me.

Regardless of what disc I test, BD-RB does not deduct the stripped/core extracted audio from the calculations for disc size. It always assumes the movie's original size divided by target is the compression needed.

I can't find anything where the calculation does work properly.

Maybe it's something weird about my setup, maybe most people just aren't noticing because the calculation still includes a reduction for the stripped audio so the difference is small for most discs. Maybe no one is bothering to do the math since the numbers are reported in bytes.

The point being, assuming it's just me, I'm afraid it's probably irreproducible. No mystery.
It's not just you. I am also still finding this behavior in all of the newer versions. As we had previously discussed, it works properly in v0.45.05, on all the discs that I've tried. In every 0.46 or newer version that I've tried, BD-RB always re-encodes the video, even if the original is only slightly larger than the target size (and the HD Audio will be converted to AC3). It seems to not be accounting for the space that will be saved by converting the audio (my best way to explain it). Like you, DoctorM, I have not found 1 disc that does not exhibit this behavior. jdobbs has stated that the algorithm for calculations has not changed, but something has changed the behavior (don't know what that is).

Discs tried:
- The Artist
- The 39 Steps
- Eyes Wide Shut
- A Clockwork Orange
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Old 14th April 2014, 16:14   #20014  |  Link
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In all episodes, audio track runs slower than video track.
Got some advice and redid one BD.

Change made was to have "full backup" checked during import process (previously, "movie only" was checked during import and I switched to full backup when doing the actual backup).

Problem gone!

Not sure why the backup settings would matter during the input process?
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I like to report back that version 0.47.04 (beta) handles this problem correctly.

Added:
My joy was a bit too early: The problem with the bogus (35 hours) .mpls is solved, but the encoding of the menu backdrop still fails and gets replaced by the default night sky background.
Anyway a minor and exceptional case, I suppose.

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Got some advice and redid one BD.

Change made was to have "full backup" checked during import process (previously, "movie only" was checked during import and I switched to full backup when doing the actual backup).

Problem gone!

Not sure why the backup settings would matter during the input process?
It shouldn't.
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Blu ray to DVD

One question remains open: it would be possible to eliminate the "jumps" during the conversion from 23,976 to 25 fps? I see that DVDFab does a better job (although not perfect): it leaves to 23,976 the fps for a NTSC standard DVD. It ensures more fluidity.
Great program, bd-rebuilder, anyway.
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it doesn't do a better job. Conversion or not PAL requires 25 or 50FPS. If it converts to PAL but leaves 23.976fps then its not a pal disc.
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One question remains open: it would be possible to eliminate the "jumps" during the conversion from 23,976 to 25 fps? I see that DVDFab does a better job (although not perfect): it leaves to 23,976 the fps for a NTSC standard DVD. It ensures more fluidity.
Great program, bd-rebuilder, anyway.
thanks
What jumps? I'm not seeing a any? There isn't even really a change in the frame count, just a rate change (the same way the studios convert it) -- so how could there be a "jump"?

Also, as said, 23.976 isn't even legal on DVD -- the only way it can exist is with pulldown -- making it NTSC at 29.97, not PAL. That certainly isn't a "conversion of 23.976 to 25fps"????
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--- OK, Here goes my latest puzzle with 3D & BD Rebuilder. The Hobbit Part I Disk 2 3D iso is only 29.9 gb to start with. I used BD Rebuilder 47.04 to convert it using many different custom sizes and it keeps generating low completed sizes. Most are arounfd the 21.4 to 22.0 range and it doesn't matter if you keep all the files or all the audio it still comes out small. This is considering if I force it to not encode, it comes out around 24.9 gb. This is with all the audio and all the files selected, even a weird 00038.m2ts that if you check the file size in explorer it is 3.35 gb, but in the BD Rebuider selection screen it says it's 4,430.99 MB's. When previewed this weird 1:02:23 file appears to only be a warning in many different languages and seems to be there only for padding out the file size. Even after blanking this file the NO-ENCODE completed folder is still 24.9 gb. I can live with the 22.0 file but I wonder why this disk is behaving so much different than the Part 1 Disk 1 encode that is really shorter 1:15 minutes compared to Disk 1 that is 1:33 minutes.That disk comes out at exactly 23.0 with a custom size of 24,850. I am stumped why this can happen, BD Rebuilder took an hour to compress the garbage 00038.m2ts file down to a final size of 2.07 gb of wasted space. Thanks to jdobbs for this wonderful program that keeps me up so late at night, lol.

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[04/15/14] BD Rebuilder v0.47.04 (beta)
[11:23:53] Source:  HOBBIT_PT1_D2
  - Input BD size: 29.89 GB
  - Approximate total content: [02:27:54.865]
  - Target BD size: 24.22 GB
  - Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
  - Quality: High Quality (Default), ABR
  - MVC 3D Output Mode enabled
  - Decoding/Frame serving: FRIMDecode
  - Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=1 Kbs=640
[11:23:54] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [11:23:54] Processing: VID_00006 (1 of 3)
 - [11:23:54] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00006]
 - [11:30:08] Reencoding video [VID_00006]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 109,252 frames
   - Bitrate: 27,318 Kbs
   - Using FRIMEncoder for MVC encoding
 - [11:30:08] Reencoding: VID_00006, Pass 1 of 1
 - [14:13:18] Video Encode complete
 - [14:13:18] Processing audio tracks
   - Track 4352 (eng): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4353 (fra): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4354 (spa): Keeping original audio
   - Track 4355 (por): Keeping original audio
 - [14:13:18] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [14:23:07] Scanning for 3D CLPI info...
 - [14:26:14] Processing: VID_00031 (2 of 3)
 - [14:26:14] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00031]
 - [14:26:22] Reencoding video [VID_00031]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 8,159 frames
   - Bitrate: 7,447 Kbs
   - Using FRIMEncoder for MVC encoding
 - [14:26:22] Reencoding: VID_00031, Pass 1 of 1
 - [14:31:35] Video Encode complete
 - [14:31:35] Processing audio tracks
 - [14:31:35] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [14:31:41] Scanning for 3D CLPI info...
 - [14:31:42] Processing: VID_00038 (3 of 3)
 - [14:31:42] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00038]
 - [14:32:25] Reencoding video [VID_00038]
   - Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
   - Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 89,749 frames
   - Bitrate: 7,447 Kbs
   - Using FRIMEncoder for MVC encoding
 - [14:32:25] Reencoding: VID_00038, Pass 1 of 1
 - [15:31:21] Video Encode complete
 - [15:31:21] Processing audio tracks
 - [15:31:21] Multiplexing M2TS
 - [15:31:43] Scanning for 3D CLPI info...
[15:32:05]PHASE ONE complete
[15:32:05]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
 - [15:32:05] Converting SSIF file references
 - [15:32:37] Rebuilding BD-3D file Structure
[15:32:38] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[15:32:38] JOB: HOBBIT_PT1_D2 finished.
Code:
[Status]
LABEL=HOBBIT_PT1_D2
VERSION=v0.47.04 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=32099473745
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=31535185920
TARGET_SIZE=26004684800
REDUCTION=.806730521251355
RESIZE_1080=0
RESIZE_1440=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=-1
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;spa;
BACKUP_MODE=0
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=0
INSTANCES=1
DGDECNV=0
FRIMSOURCE=0
SSIF_MODE=-1
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=3
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00006]
AUDIO=1111
PGS=1111111
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=21351385049
RATE=27318
NSTART=27000000
NEND=232052347
NSIZE=19650514944
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00031]
AUDIO=
PGS=
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=340753059
RATE=7447
NSTART=27000000
NEND=42313423
NSIZE=186531840
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
[00038]
AUDIO=
PGS=
VIDEO2=0
V2MBRATE=0
M2TS_TARGET=3748258867
RATE=7447
NSTART=27000000
NEND=195447654
NSIZE=2226948096
FLINK=0
MLINK=0
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