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Internal madVR decoder MS DTV-DVD decoder/EVR MS DTV-DVD decoder/madVR deinterlacing off MS DTV-DVD decoder/madVR deinterlacing on To me, the difference doesn't look like dropped frames when playing - it just looks like it isn't doubling the framerate, or maybe isn't even deinterlacing at all (I notice the difference in smoothness more than anything else). I also checked with 1080i59 VC-1 and h264 files, with the same results. It seems to me that I'm seeing the same thing as Andy o. BTW: The issue with madVR reporting 59.940 only happens with the internal madVR decoder and Haali. Using the internal decoder with LAV Splitter shows a framerate of 29.970 (but the non-smoothness is still present).
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Please help a noob who has been trying to get a decent setup for a week
if i am right MadVR now does DXVA for ATI? to test this I opened ati control centre and play with the settings using the demo mode which puts a line down the screen to show what the tools are doing? this does not show when using MadVR nor any enhancments, should they? also running anydvd to play bluray discs and HWA not working also '6233638' how exactly are you playing DVD's |
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Is it true then that madvr can do deinterlacing separate from decoding, but with cuvid you must enable decoding (MPEG2) to get that? |
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6th November 2011, 19:04 | #10665 | Link |
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only DXVA deinterlacing. not full dxva support.
I got that wrong as well first, though
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If only madshi had made that clear in his post for 0.78. You know, in big letters or something? sigh.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...40#post1536640
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6th November 2011, 19:23 | #10669 | Link |
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Bah, we all make those kinds of mistakes. Nothing to worry about. I just thought it was funny that madshi took the time to make that huge statement and here we are discussing it. LOL I realize that any time DXVA is mentioned people automatically start thinking decoding. But DXVA clearly can be used for a variety of things. Thankfully! Cause I'm quite pleased with how well it works.
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I have uploaded MadVR debug logs, maybe this will help you. Haali+LAV Video(CUVID mode) AVsplitter+LAV Video(CUVID mode) AVsplitter+PotPlayer Decoder(renderless mode) http://www.filedropper.com/madvrlog Also there are some compatibility problems with madVR internal deinterlacing and potplayer decoder(renderless mode), on this filter pair I got choppy playback. Tested on 1080i vc-1 in ts container. Last edited by RBG; 6th November 2011 at 19:53. |
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Thank you very much for hardware deintelacing (I have been dreaming for that since madvr 0.1 ). So dxva hard deinterlacer is a "black box" that works the following way: 1) 1080\576i50 --> 1080\576p50, if "black box" detects pure video and --> 1080\576p25, if "black box" detects film content. 2) 1080\480i59 --> 1080\480p59, if "black box" detects pure video and --> 1080\480p29, if "black box" detects film content. Am I right? So "black box" does IVTC for PAL and does not for NTSC? Tested .78 for HD video content ("slices" tests and music videos). Everything is OK. Madvr = EVR Tested with some PAL SD content (DVD remuxed to mkv). I am not sure, but sometimes when I switch deinterlacing off the result is better, cleaner (plain soft weaving). Is "black box" really good film content detector? Does it just weave? madshi Would you recommend use soft weaving deinterlacing for PAL film content ? Config: 5750, W7 Last edited by nlnl; 6th November 2011 at 22:13. |
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When I play a file that contains something like "1080p24" in its name the Ctrl-J stats always show that frame rate, although my "display modes" box is completely empty (tested in 0.77 and 0.78). Is this by design?
Also, why does it still show "(says source filter)" when I've overridden the information from the filter? Another small thing I noticed 0.78: When I pause a video in windowed mode the decoder queue goes to 13-13/12. Weird Noticed some big problems in my first deinterlacing tests. Will continue to test and report back tomorrow. Last edited by cremor; 6th November 2011 at 20:11. |
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ffdshow decoding doesn't seem to work with DVD playback, and I had to remove ffdshow to stop the Macrovision errors with DVD playback. (I think it might have been the audio decoder? It was so long ago now that I forget the specifics)
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Update on my problem of madVR deinterlacing not being smooth:
My card is the 5750. I uninstalled the latest driver, and went back to the oldest driver I have saved - 10.7. Playback is now very smooth. I tried two other versions in between 10.7 and 11.10 (11.7 and 11.8) - both versions brought back the problem. Could it be a problem with the older cards (5XXX) and the newer drivers (the drivers released since the CCC revamp)? After realizing it was the newer drivers, I tried a few things: I installed the latest driver, selecting only the driver from the installation (without the latest CCC/Media Foundation codecs'HDMI audio driver.... none of the other stuff you get with the driver packages). Reboot, playback is not smooth. I rolled back to the older driver - smooth again, didn't even need to reboot. I installed the latest driver package, this time with everything except the latest driver - still smooth.
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My HD5770 has worked like a charm with this driver, so im not eager to upgrade :-) Last edited by G_M_C; 6th November 2011 at 20:41. |
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Either way, you appear to be correct about the GPU RAM running out causing the crashes. As soon as I launch a 1440x1080i30 16:9 anamorphic MPEG2-TS, memory use instantly jumps to 500MB-505MB and madVR crashes. Though when it doesn't crash, it runs perfectly (if a bit slow) with maxed out 500-505MB GPU RAM usage for the entire playtime. So either this means you need a GPU to >512MB of RAM to use the dxva2 deinterlacing in madVR reliably, or this is a bug. Using the NVIDIA PureVideo MPEG-2 decoder + dxva1 deinterlacing with VMR9, my memory use only increases ~100MB. With madVR dxva2 deinterlacing it shoots up ~275MB+. Edit: Could this in any way be caused by my slow madNV12Test download results? Code:
D3D9 Surface speed test: NV12: upload 392 fps, download 4 fps, trick download failed YV12: upload 346 fps, download 4 fps, trick download failed A8R8G8B8: upload 175 fps, download 2 fps, trick download failed DXVA Surface speed test: NV12: upload 398 fps, download 4 fps, trick download failed YV12: upload 347 fps, download 4 fps, trick download failed A8R8G8B8: upload 173 fps, download 2 fps, trick download failed A8R8G8B8 Texture speed test: default: upload 96 fps, download 171 fps dynamic: upload 175 fps, download 10 fps, trick download 92 fps Last edited by cyberbeing; 6th November 2011 at 21:14. |
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you are GREAT !!! I really like how things develop - now I can use my CPU for decoding and my GPU for rendering + deinterlacing and thus spread the load and keep both of them in lower power states I've done some preliminary tests and here are my answers to your two questions: a) I think the deinterlacing quality is the same .... or just a touch worse than LAV CUVID but I can't give you any proof of this - it's purely subjective and I could be wrong. I'll do some more tests and report back if I can quantify the difference ... if there actually is such. b) for me turning on "perform deinterlacing in separate thread" results in better filling of the queues which I think results in less chance of dropping frames but I do agree with you that it has some impact on windowed mode Here are my stats for a 1080i50 TV recording played on 1080p display @ 50.00014Hz (in all cases the decoder ques stays at 11-13/13) 1. Fullscreen exclusive mode + "perform deinterlacing in separate thread"=OFF Code:
upload queue 6-(8)9 / 9 deinterlace queue 4-(8)9 / 9 render queue 4-(7)8 / 8 present queue 2-4 / 4 avg. stats deinterlace 4.73ms max stats (5s) deinterlace 5.65ms 2. Fullscreen exclusive mode + "perform deinterlacing in separate thread"=ON Code:
upload queue 7-9 / 9 deinterlace queue 7-9 / 9 render queue 7-8 / 8 present queue 3-4 / 4 avg. stats deinterlace 5.59ms max stats (5s) deinterlace 5.87ms 3. Fullscreen windowed mode + "perform deinterlacing in separate thread"=OFF Code:
upload queue 5-7 / 9 deinterlace queue (3)4-6 / 9 render queue 3-4 / 8 backbuffer queue (1)2-3 / 3 avg. stats deinterlace 3.92ms rendering 8.95ms max stats (5s) deinterlace 5.01ms rendering 13.60ms 4. Fullscreen windowed mode + "perform deinterlacing in separate thread"=ON Code:
upload queue 7-9 / 9 deinterlace queue 7-9 / 9 render queue 3-4 / 8 backbufferqueue 2-3 / 3 avg. stats deinterlace 5.45ms rendering 12.81ms max stats (5s) deinterlace 6.26ms rendering 19-21ms * the numbers in brackets () are shown rarely All these are performed on my NVIDIA GTX 460 SE 1GB in little bit overclocked P8 state (405MHz Core / 162MHz Memory / 910MHz Shader clocks) enforced by NVIDIA Inspector - Multi Display Power Saver. My conclusion is that it's better to have the setting turned on in FSE mode and turned off in windowed mode.
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Pankov, I see you use ZP, could you try to recreate this:
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