Blade Trinity and very low bitrate?

hoops10 · 3rd May 2005, 22:43

I am backing up Blade Trinity (R1) and I am using the Big 3, with Batchencodem2v. I ran it thru DIF and it comes up with an avg. bitrate of only 1160. How can that be? That seems extremely low to me. I know that movie is 123 mins. and has a DTS track, but it still seems too low. Anyone else have any ideas as to what might be the problem? Anyone who already backed this movie up get the same bitrate or higher? Thanks.

Edit: I also noticed that is has 2 pgcs and they are both close to 2 hours long each. May be seamless branching or something?

Trahald · 3rd May 2005, 23:44

Currently dif4u does not automatically select vobid for seamless or non-seamless branching. so you would have to do that (select vobid) yourself. if you need help figuring if its non-seamless branching, feel free to paste the ifo summary *from ifoedit*. (seamless will say -ilvu- in the summary in ifoedit)

hoops10 · 4th May 2005, 03:02

Trahald, thanks. This is from the main movie ifo:

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [02:02:11.05 / 30 fps] (Programs: 23) (Cells: 38) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,11)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:04:03.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:03.12] [Frames: 7302] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 2] : time: 00:02:41.17 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:06:44.29] [Frames: 12149] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 1/ 3] : time: 00:06:11.17 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:12:56.16] [Frames: 23296] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 1/ 4] : time: 00:04:16.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:17:13.01] [Frames: 30991] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 1/ 5] : time: 00:01:32.07 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:18:45.08] [Frames: 33758] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 06] [V/C Id: 1/ 6] : time: 00:03:59.18 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:22:44.26] [Frames: 40946] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 06] [Pg 06] [Cell 07] [V/C Id: 1/ 7] : time: 00:04:17.03 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:27:01.29] [Frames: 48659] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 08] [V/C Id: 1/ 8] : time: 00:04:47.02 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:31:49.01] [Frames: 57271] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 09] [V/C Id: 1/ 9] : time: 00:02:29.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:34:18.28] [Frames: 61768] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 08] [Pg 08] [Cell 10] [V/C Id: 1/10] : time: 00:06:44.07 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:41:03.05] [Frames: 73895] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 09] [Pg 09] [Cell 11] [V/C Id: 1/11] : time: 00:04:32.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:45:36.01] [Frames: 82081] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 12] [V/C Id: 1/12] : time: 00:00:01.03 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:45:37.04] [Frames: 82114] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 10] [Pg 10] [Cell 13] [V/C Id: 1/13] : time: 00:04:22.20 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:49:59.24] [Frames: 89994] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 14] [V/C Id: 1/14] : time: 00:00:51.00 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:50:50.24] [Frames: 91524] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 11] [Pg 11] [Cell 15] [V/C Id: 1/15] : time: 00:03:14.20 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:54:05.14] [Frames: 97364] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 12] [Pg 12] [Cell 16] [V/C Id: 1/16] : time: 00:03:57.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:58:02.15] [Frames: 104475] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 13] [Pg 13] [Cell 17] [V/C Id: 1/17] : time: 00:03:05.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:01:07.25] [Frames: 110035] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 18] [V/C Id: 1/18] : time: 00:06:09.17 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:07:17.12] [Frames: 121122] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 19] [V/C Id: 1/19] : time: 00:00:41.19 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:07:59.01] [Frames: 122371] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 14] [Pg 14] [Cell 20] [V/C Id: 1/20] : time: 00:00:26.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:08:25.11] [Frames: 123161] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 21] [V/C Id: 1/21] : time: 00:04:31.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:12:56.21] [Frames: 131301] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 22] [V/C Id: 1/22] : time: 00:04:51.09 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:17:48.00] [Frames: 140040] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 15] [Pg 15] [Cell 23] [V/C Id: 1/23] : time: 00:04:04.29 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:21:52.29] [Frames: 147389] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 16] [Pg 16] [Cell 24] [V/C Id: 1/24] : time: 00:00:02.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:21:55.25] [Frames: 147475] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 25] [V/C Id: 1/25] Layer Br.: time: 00:04:31.24 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:26:27.19] [Frames: 155629] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 26] [V/C Id: 1/26] : time: 00:01:57.03 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:28:24.22] [Frames: 159142] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 17] [Pg 17] [Cell 27] [V/C Id: 1/27] : time: 00:00:11.28 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:28:36.20] [Frames: 159500] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 28] [V/C Id: 1/28] : time: 00:02:41.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:31:18.16] [Frames: 164356] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 29] [V/C Id: 1/29] : time: 00:02:04.03 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:33:22.19] [Frames: 168079] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 18] [Pg 18] [Cell 30] [V/C Id: 1/30] : time: 00:08:01.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:41:23.20] [Frames: 182510] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 19] [Pg 19] [Cell 31] [V/C Id: 1/31] : time: 00:03:39.05 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:45:02.25] [Frames: 189085] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 32] [V/C Id: 1/32] : time: 00:01:01.29 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:46:04.24] [Frames: 190944] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 20] [Pg 20] [Cell 33] [V/C Id: 1/33] : time: 00:03:27.02 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:49:31.26] [Frames: 197156] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 34] [V/C Id: 1/34] : time: 00:01:04.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:50:36.11] [Frames: 199091] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 21] [Pg 21] [Cell 35] [V/C Id: 1/35] : time: 00:03:06.22 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:53:43.03] [Frames: 204693] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 22] [Pg 22] [Cell 36] [V/C Id: 1/36] : time: 00:02:06.28 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:55:50.01] [Frames: 208501] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 37] [V/C Id: 1/37] : time: 00:06:20.19 / 30 fps [Pos: 02:02:10.20] [Frames: 219920] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 23] [Pg 23] [Cell 38] [V/C Id: 11/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 02:02:11.05] [Frames: 219935] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [01:52:46.04 / 30 fps] (Programs: 23) (Cells: 36) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,2,1,3,1,4,1,5,1,6,1,7,1,8,1,9,1,10,1,11)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:04:03.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:03.12] [Frames: 7302] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:32.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:36.08] [Frames: 8288] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Cell 03] [V/C Id: 1/ 3] Layer Br.: time: 00:06:11.17 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:10:47.25] [Frames: 19435] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 1/ 4] : time: 00:04:16.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:15:04.10] [Frames: 27130] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:35.14 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:17:39.24] [Frames: 31794] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 06] [V/C Id: 3/ 2] : time: 00:03:20.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:21:00.09] [Frames: 37809] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 06] [Pg 06] [Cell 07] [V/C Id: 3/ 3] : time: 00:04:09.11 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:25:09.20] [Frames: 45290] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 08] [V/C Id: 3/ 4] : time: 00:03:00.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:28:10.17] [Frames: 50717] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 09] [V/C Id: 1/ 9] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:29.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:30:40.14] [Frames: 55214] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 08] [Pg 08] [Cell 10] [V/C Id: 1/10] : time: 00:06:44.07 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:37:24.21] [Frames: 67341] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 09] [Pg 09] [Cell 11] [V/C Id: 1/11] : time: 00:04:32.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:41:57.17] [Frames: 75527] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 10] [Pg 10] [Cell 12] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:03:07.28 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:45:05.15] [Frames: 81165] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Cell 13] [V/C Id: 1/14] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:51.00 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:45:56.15] [Frames: 82695] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 11] [Pg 11] [Cell 14] [V/C Id: 1/15] : time: 00:03:14.20 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:49:11.05] [Frames: 88535] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 12] [Pg 12] [Cell 15] [V/C Id: 1/16] : time: 00:03:57.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:53:08.06] [Frames: 95646] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 13] [Pg 13] [Cell 16] [V/C Id: 1/17] : time: 00:03:05.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:56:13.16] [Frames: 101206] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 17] [V/C Id: 5/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:04:09.06 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:00:22.22] [Frames: 108682] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Cell 18] [V/C Id: 1/19] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:41.19 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:01:04.11] [Frames: 109931] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Cell 19] [V/C Id: 1/20] : time: 00:00:26.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:01:30.21] [Frames: 110721] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 14] [Pg 14] [Cell 20] [V/C Id: 1/21] : time: 00:04:31.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:06:02.01] [Frames: 118861] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 15] [Pg 15] [Cell 21] [V/C Id: 6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:07:15.21 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:13:17.22] [Frames: 131932] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 16] [Pg 16] [Cell 22] [V/C Id: 6/ 2] : time: 00:00:02.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:13:20.19] [Frames: 132019] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 23] [V/C Id: 1/25] Layer Br.: time: 00:04:31.24 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:17:52.13] [Frames: 140173] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Cell 24] [V/C Id: 7/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:27.18 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:19:20.01] [Frames: 142801] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 17] [Pg 17] [Cell 25] [V/C Id: 7/ 2] : time: 00:00:11.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:19:31.28] [Frames: 143158] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 26] [V/C Id: 1/28] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:41.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:22:13.24] [Frames: 148014] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Cell 27] [V/C Id: 8/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:04.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:24:17.25] [Frames: 151735] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 18] [Pg 18] [Cell 28] [V/C Id: 1/30] Layer Br.: time: 00:08:01.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:32:18.26] [Frames: 166166] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
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[Cell 30] [V/C Id: 1/32] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:01.29 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:36:47.27] [Frames: 174237] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 20] [Pg 20] [Cell 31] [V/C Id: 1/33] : time: 00:03:27.02 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:40:14.29] [Frames: 180449] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 32] [V/C Id: 10/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:04.14 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:41:19.13] [Frames: 182383] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 21] [Pg 21] [Cell 33] [V/C Id: 10/ 2] : time: 00:02:58.20 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:44:18.03] [Frames: 187743] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Ch 22] [Pg 22] [Cell 34] [V/C Id: 10/ 3] : time: 00:02:06.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:46:25.00] [Frames: 191550] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no]
[Cell 35] [V/C Id: 1/37] Layer Br.: time: 00:06:20.19 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:52:45.19] [Frames: 202969] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]
[Ch 23] [Pg 23] [Cell 36] [V/C Id: 11/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:52:46.04] [Frames: 202984] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no]

What do you think?

jel · 4th May 2005, 05:26

demux this vts by vobid.
should work out fine.
as you can see there is no seamless branching, so scenarist/scenaid should reproduce this perfectly.
personally i would make sure you have the 'add silence to vobid demux' selected in the audio options of scenaid, and use the new 'create new d2v/avs using dgdecode' option as well.
good luck
j

hoops10 · 5th May 2005, 00:14

jel, if I do it by vobid, won't I still get the repeating vobid 1 in both pgcs, thus skewing my bitrate to a low value? I was told (by some knowledgable people in the irc chan) to demux pgc1, encode it, and then demux pgc2 by vobids in order to get vobids 2-10 and then manually put it back together in scenarist. Do you know of an easier way?

jel · 5th May 2005, 00:39

short answer is ....
no

when you demux by vobid, each vobid is only processed once regardless of how many times it is used within the vts.

hoops10 · 5th May 2005, 01:48

Ok, I will do this movie by vobid. But one last question, what and where is the new 'create new d2v/avs using dgdecode' option? I have the newest Scenaid and I don't see it in there.

jel · 5th May 2005, 02:00

yeah, sorry bout that ... private beta version

anywyas, if you would like a copy sned me a pm with your email address, and i will send it through .... although i probaly have it somewhere ...

3rd May 2005, 22:43	#1 \| Link
hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	Blade Trinity and very low bitrate? I am backing up Blade Trinity (R1) and I am using the Big 3, with Batchencodem2v. I ran it thru DIF and it comes up with an avg. bitrate of only 1160. How can that be? That seems extremely low to me. I know that movie is 123 mins. and has a DTS track, but it still seems too low. Anyone else have any ideas as to what might be the problem? Anyone who already backed this movie up get the same bitrate or higher? Thanks. Edit: I also noticed that is has 2 pgcs and they are both close to 2 hours long each. May be seamless branching or something? Last edited by hoops10; 3rd May 2005 at 22:47.

3rd May 2005, 23:44	#2 \| Link
Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	Currently dif4u does not automatically select vobid for seamless or non-seamless branching. so you would have to do that (select vobid) yourself. if you need help figuring if its non-seamless branching, feel free to paste the ifo summary from ifoedit. (seamless will say -ilvu- in the summary in ifoedit) __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

4th May 2005, 03:02	#3 \| Link
hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	Trahald, thanks. This is from the main movie ifo: PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [02:02:11.05 / 30 fps] (Programs: 23) (Cells: 38) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,11) [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:04:03.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:03.12] [Frames: 7302] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 2] : time: 00:02:41.17 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:06:44.29] [Frames: 12149] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 1/ 3] : time: 00:06:11.17 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:12:56.16] [Frames: 23296] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 1/ 4] : time: 00:04:16.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:17:13.01] [Frames: 30991] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 1/ 5] : time: 00:01:32.07 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:18:45.08] [Frames: 33758] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 06] [V/C Id: 1/ 6] : time: 00:03:59.18 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:22:44.26] [Frames: 40946] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 06] [Pg 06] [Cell 07] [V/C Id: 1/ 7] : time: 00:04:17.03 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:27:01.29] [Frames: 48659] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 08] [V/C Id: 1/ 8] : time: 00:04:47.02 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:31:49.01] [Frames: 57271] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 09] [V/C Id: 1/ 9] : time: 00:02:29.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:34:18.28] [Frames: 61768] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 08] [Pg 08] [Cell 10] [V/C Id: 1/10] : time: 00:06:44.07 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:41:03.05] [Frames: 73895] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 09] [Pg 09] [Cell 11] [V/C Id: 1/11] : time: 00:04:32.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:45:36.01] [Frames: 82081] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 12] [V/C Id: 1/12] : time: 00:00:01.03 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:45:37.04] [Frames: 82114] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 10] [Pg 10] [Cell 13] [V/C Id: 1/13] : time: 00:04:22.20 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:49:59.24] [Frames: 89994] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 14] [V/C Id: 1/14] : time: 00:00:51.00 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:50:50.24] [Frames: 91524] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 11] [Pg 11] [Cell 15] [V/C Id: 1/15] : time: 00:03:14.20 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:54:05.14] [Frames: 97364] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 12] [Pg 12] [Cell 16] [V/C Id: 1/16] : time: 00:03:57.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:58:02.15] [Frames: 104475] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 13] [Pg 13] [Cell 17] [V/C Id: 1/17] : time: 00:03:05.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:01:07.25] [Frames: 110035] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 18] [V/C Id: 1/18] : time: 00:06:09.17 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:07:17.12] [Frames: 121122] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 19] [V/C Id: 1/19] : time: 00:00:41.19 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:07:59.01] [Frames: 122371] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 14] [Pg 14] [Cell 20] [V/C Id: 1/20] : time: 00:00:26.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:08:25.11] [Frames: 123161] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 21] [V/C Id: 1/21] : time: 00:04:31.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:12:56.21] [Frames: 131301] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 22] [V/C Id: 1/22] : time: 00:04:51.09 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:17:48.00] [Frames: 140040] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 15] [Pg 15] [Cell 23] [V/C Id: 1/23] : time: 00:04:04.29 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:21:52.29] [Frames: 147389] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 16] [Pg 16] [Cell 24] [V/C Id: 1/24] : time: 00:00:02.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:21:55.25] [Frames: 147475] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 25] [V/C Id: 1/25] Layer Br.: time: 00:04:31.24 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:26:27.19] [Frames: 155629] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 26] [V/C Id: 1/26] : time: 00:01:57.03 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:28:24.22] [Frames: 159142] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 17] [Pg 17] [Cell 27] [V/C Id: 1/27] : time: 00:00:11.28 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:28:36.20] [Frames: 159500] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 28] [V/C Id: 1/28] : time: 00:02:41.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:31:18.16] [Frames: 164356] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 29] [V/C Id: 1/29] : time: 00:02:04.03 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:33:22.19] [Frames: 168079] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 18] [Pg 18] [Cell 30] [V/C Id: 1/30] : time: 00:08:01.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:41:23.20] [Frames: 182510] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 19] [Pg 19] [Cell 31] [V/C Id: 1/31] : time: 00:03:39.05 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:45:02.25] [Frames: 189085] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 32] [V/C Id: 1/32] : time: 00:01:01.29 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:46:04.24] [Frames: 190944] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 20] [Pg 20] [Cell 33] [V/C Id: 1/33] : time: 00:03:27.02 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:49:31.26] [Frames: 197156] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 34] [V/C Id: 1/34] : time: 00:01:04.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:50:36.11] [Frames: 199091] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 21] [Pg 21] [Cell 35] [V/C Id: 1/35] : time: 00:03:06.22 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:53:43.03] [Frames: 204693] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 22] [Pg 22] [Cell 36] [V/C Id: 1/36] : time: 00:02:06.28 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:55:50.01] [Frames: 208501] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 37] [V/C Id: 1/37] : time: 00:06:20.19 / 30 fps [Pos: 02:02:10.20] [Frames: 219920] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 23] [Pg 23] [Cell 38] [V/C Id: 11/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 02:02:11.05] [Frames: 219935] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [01:52:46.04 / 30 fps] (Programs: 23) (Cells: 36) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,2,1,3,1,4,1,5,1,6,1,7,1,8,1,9,1,10,1,11) [Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:04:03.12 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:03.12] [Frames: 7302] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:32.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:36.08] [Frames: 8288] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 1/ 3] Layer Br.: time: 00:06:11.17 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:10:47.25] [Frames: 19435] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 1/ 4] : time: 00:04:16.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:15:04.10] [Frames: 27130] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:35.14 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:17:39.24] [Frames: 31794] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 06] [V/C Id: 3/ 2] : time: 00:03:20.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:21:00.09] [Frames: 37809] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 06] [Pg 06] [Cell 07] [V/C Id: 3/ 3] : time: 00:04:09.11 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:25:09.20] [Frames: 45290] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 08] [V/C Id: 3/ 4] : time: 00:03:00.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:28:10.17] [Frames: 50717] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 09] [V/C Id: 1/ 9] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:29.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:30:40.14] [Frames: 55214] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 08] [Pg 08] [Cell 10] [V/C Id: 1/10] : time: 00:06:44.07 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:37:24.21] [Frames: 67341] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 09] [Pg 09] [Cell 11] [V/C Id: 1/11] : time: 00:04:32.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:41:57.17] [Frames: 75527] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 10] [Pg 10] [Cell 12] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:03:07.28 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:45:05.15] [Frames: 81165] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Cell 13] [V/C Id: 1/14] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:51.00 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:45:56.15] [Frames: 82695] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 11] [Pg 11] [Cell 14] [V/C Id: 1/15] : time: 00:03:14.20 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:49:11.05] [Frames: 88535] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 12] [Pg 12] [Cell 15] [V/C Id: 1/16] : time: 00:03:57.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:53:08.06] [Frames: 95646] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 13] [Pg 13] [Cell 16] [V/C Id: 1/17] : time: 00:03:05.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:56:13.16] [Frames: 101206] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 17] [V/C Id: 5/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:04:09.06 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:00:22.22] [Frames: 108682] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Cell 18] [V/C Id: 1/19] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:41.19 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:01:04.11] [Frames: 109931] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Cell 19] [V/C Id: 1/20] : time: 00:00:26.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:01:30.21] [Frames: 110721] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 14] [Pg 14] [Cell 20] [V/C Id: 1/21] : time: 00:04:31.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:06:02.01] [Frames: 118861] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 15] [Pg 15] [Cell 21] [V/C Id: 6/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:07:15.21 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:13:17.22] [Frames: 131932] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 16] [Pg 16] [Cell 22] [V/C Id: 6/ 2] : time: 00:00:02.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:13:20.19] [Frames: 132019] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 23] [V/C Id: 1/25] Layer Br.: time: 00:04:31.24 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:17:52.13] [Frames: 140173] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Cell 24] [V/C Id: 7/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:27.18 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:19:20.01] [Frames: 142801] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 17] [Pg 17] [Cell 25] [V/C Id: 7/ 2] : time: 00:00:11.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:19:31.28] [Frames: 143158] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 26] [V/C Id: 1/28] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:41.26 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:22:13.24] [Frames: 148014] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Cell 27] [V/C Id: 8/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:02:04.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:24:17.25] [Frames: 151735] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 18] [Pg 18] [Cell 28] [V/C Id: 1/30] Layer Br.: time: 00:08:01.01 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:32:18.26] [Frames: 166166] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 19] [Pg 19] [Cell 29] [V/C Id: 9/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:03:27.02 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:35:45.28] [Frames: 172378] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Cell 30] [V/C Id: 1/32] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:01.29 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:36:47.27] [Frames: 174237] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 20] [Pg 20] [Cell 31] [V/C Id: 1/33] : time: 00:03:27.02 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:40:14.29] [Frames: 180449] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 32] [V/C Id: 10/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:01:04.14 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:41:19.13] [Frames: 182383] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 21] [Pg 21] [Cell 33] [V/C Id: 10/ 2] : time: 00:02:58.20 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:44:18.03] [Frames: 187743] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Ch 22] [Pg 22] [Cell 34] [V/C Id: 10/ 3] : time: 00:02:06.27 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:46:25.00] [Frames: 191550] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[yes/ no/ no/ no] [Cell 35] [V/C Id: 1/37] Layer Br.: time: 00:06:20.19 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:52:45.19] [Frames: 202969] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] [Ch 23] [Pg 23] [Cell 36] [V/C Id: 11/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 01:52:46.04] [Frames: 202984] SP/ILVU/DISC/SA:[ no/ no/yes/ no] What do you think?

4th May 2005, 05:26	#4 \| Link
jel Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: city of churches Posts: 1,414	demux this vts by vobid. should work out fine. as you can see there is no seamless branching, so scenarist/scenaid should reproduce this perfectly. personally i would make sure you have the 'add silence to vobid demux' selected in the audio options of scenaid, and use the new 'create new d2v/avs using dgdecode' option as well. good luck j

5th May 2005, 00:14	#5 \| Link
hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	jel, if I do it by vobid, won't I still get the repeating vobid 1 in both pgcs, thus skewing my bitrate to a low value? I was told (by some knowledgable people in the irc chan) to demux pgc1, encode it, and then demux pgc2 by vobids in order to get vobids 2-10 and then manually put it back together in scenarist. Do you know of an easier way?

5th May 2005, 00:39	#6 \| Link
jel Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: city of churches Posts: 1,414	short answer is .... no when you demux by vobid, each vobid is only processed once regardless of how many times it is used within the vts.

5th May 2005, 01:48	#7 \| Link
hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	Ok, I will do this movie by vobid. But one last question, what and where is the new 'create new d2v/avs using dgdecode' option? I have the newest Scenaid and I don't see it in there.

5th May 2005, 02:00	#8 \| Link
jel Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: city of churches Posts: 1,414	yeah, sorry bout that ... private beta version anywyas, if you would like a copy sned me a pm with your email address, and i will send it through .... although i probaly have it somewhere ...