Crash during CCE Encoding

[Morgan]

Hi

First I will list my machine specs:
Either (tried on both machines)
AMD 1.4ghz. 512mb RAM.IBM 60GXP 40Gb hard drive - 25Gb free. Set as Ultra 5 under Windows XP. Tried on this machine with Windows ME or XP.
Intel 1ghz 512mb RAM. Maxtor 7200 40gb hard drive. 20+Gb free. Set as Ultra 5 under XP.

Tried DVD2SVCD 1.03 build 5 and 6. Also 1.04 build 2.

Ripped a film (Shrek - PAL) using Smartripper. Using Multipass (3) No 48 to 44 conversion. No NTSC field operation. No subtitles.

The same problem happens on both machines and that is during the process: CCE_Encoded_Video_PAL.mpv the application will lock up.

Neither XP nor windows ME has crashed - I leave the machine on overnight and when I look at the operation I find that the time left and time elapsed info. have stopped (this time at 31% - elapsed 2hrs.22min remaining 5hrs.2mins).
No matter how long that I leave it there is no Hard drive activity and nothing will happen until I close the application. This I have done and included the Log file that it produced for you to look at.
Up to this point it runs well at 0.583 speed or 0.983 depending on which of the two machines that I am running it on. But it will stop responding during the above mentioned operation.
Nothing else is being ran on either of the machines whilst the aplication is running, nor is anybody using them.

Can you help at all..?
If there is any information needed that I have left out then I apologise in advance.

Thanx for your time

Morgan









**************LOG FILE************

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- 29/11/2001 22:20:39
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.3 build 6
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 29/11/2001 22:20:42
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- D:\SVCD\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Creating DVD2AVI project file.
Closing program
Framerate: 25000
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 29/11/2001 22:23:43
- Free on drive D: 18713.44 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3
Audio extraction finished.

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- 29/11/2001 22:27:25
- Free on drive D: 18436.64 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Downmixing AC3 Stream. Filename: D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3
Autodetecting Azid dB Gain offset
Executing Azid. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Azid\Azid.exe" -c normal -g30db -N -L -3db "D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3" "D:\SVCD\DownmixedAudioSt1-48KHz.wav" >"D:\SVCD\Azid.log"
Autodetection of dB offset finished
Gain offset: 13.00dB
Executing Azid. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Azid\Azid.exe" -c normal -g13.00db -L -3db "D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3" "D:\SVCD\DownmixedAudioSt1-48KHz.wav"
Downmixing of D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3 finished.

No delay and no WAV Downsampling.

Encoding wav file to mp2.
Executing tooLame. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\tooLame\tooLame.exe" -m s -b 128 -e "D:\SVCD\FinalAudioSt1.wav" "D:\SVCD\Encoded_audio_stream_1.mp2"
Audio conversion finished.

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- 29/11/2001 22:55:20
- Free on drive D: 18351.80 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 29/11/2001 22:55:26
- Free on drive D: 18350.80 mb
- Video Encoding
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OK
Closing program
DVD2SVCD no. frames: -2
CCE no. frames: 129568
StreamSectors: 1541681176
AudioSectors: 84045136
VideoPAPO: 22579560
ScanOffsetBytes: 194352
SeqAligningBytes: 12352149
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 1422509970.67
Seconds: 5182.72
CDSize: 740.00
Cut point 736.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 129568
Anti Noise Filter: 2
Passes: 3
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2498
Avg. Bitrate: 2195

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
OK
Closing program
Video Encoding finished.

[mevbo]

I was able to do the ntsc version fine.
Have you applied the cce patch for checksum errors?

[Morgan]

Hi

Thankyou for your quick response.

With not getting any checksum error I never bothered to try the CCE patch.
However I have now downloaded it and will give it a try. I thought though if that was the problem I would have got an error message.

Thankyou and I will let you know if it works or not, at the moment I am trying to do a copy of Evolution to see if that works - if not then I will apply the patch.

Cheers



Morgan

[Morgan]

Hi

Unfortunately I am still not having success, even with the CCE patch installed.

I am finding that the CCE_Encoded_Video_PAL.mpv process will just stop at about 30 to 40% without any error. The system is not locked and the application will close but I can not get it to complete that part of the process on either of my machines.

Any ideas welcome please

Morgan

[Quidsane]

Wow!
The EXACT same thing is happening to me! And Shrek was also what I was trying to encode (NTSC)!
It's not Shrek, though, as this happens with ANY movie I try.

I get to around 35% and it just freezes.
PC does NOT freeze or crash, and there are NO ERRORS.

I also have the patch installed, didn't help.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

AMD Athlon 1.13Ghz, Win2kPro, 1Gb RAM.

By the way, my version of CCE is 2.50.
That's the one I should have, right?

[orGAZmic]

What did you rip with?

I've backed up my copy of Shrek pal region 2 no probs using smart ripper.

ps Don't use crash recovery with this problem. I have had this before myself and found starting from re ripping and double checking all my settings is the best start to getting a succesful backup.

[Morgan]

Hi

I have ripped the movie with smartripper versions 2.36 and 2.38. I have ripped it each time that I have tried to compile the film to an SVCD, unfortunately without success.


I have not only tried the different versions of DVD2SVCD, as listed, but each time removed and re-installed version 2.50 of CCE.

Getting a little stuck here though.....



Morgan

[Quidsane]

Is there a reason to use SmartRipper rather than rip with DVD2SVCD?
The author says the ones in his prog are the best.

Either way, CCE freezes no matter what I rip with...

[Quidsane]

A related question:

CCE: Lite, SP, or Pro?

[Morgan]

Hi

No particular reason as to using Smartripper, I have always used that application to rip a DVD - used it so that I can create a DivX movie and so I am familiar with it.

CCE is version 2.50 SP.

Morgan

[ruok]

Hi,

I experienced exactly the same problem with Shrek (Pal, region 4). It was quite interesting - I learnt a few things through the process (one of them is that CCE is very unreliable).

When I encoded Shrek, I set 5 pass (call me fussy - I'm happy to spend the extra time for good quality). However, instead of your 35% crash, mine crashed at 20%... Notice the correlation? Number of passes * the % completion when crashed = 100% (or there abouts). Here's what I did to work around the issue.

- I noticed that CCE had not crashed. It appeared to have "paused"
- I cancelled CCE and DVD2SVCD continued as normal
- CCE then did all of the muxing etc.

Guess what? I ended up with a complete copy of Shrek - which tells me that CCE encodes the entire movie sequentially 'n' times (where 'n' is the number of passes selected).

As a result, I ended up with a 1 pass RIP of Shrek (minus about 30 seconds at the end of the credits) - but at least the movie worked. Overall, the quality was pretty good (not perfect). A few noticeable sections where the coded did not cope well was :-

* When Farquaad was shown the contestants. Fiona's castle was briefly shown and it twirled around like water going down a drain pipe (for about 1/2 a second).

* When Shrek smashed the end off the big barrel full of grog the water started to stream out, then gush. The gush did not hold up well.

* When Shrek and Donkey were in the castle and they had just found the dragon, the dragon's breath did not hold up well.

Other than that, I think most of it held up pretty well.

I tried to encode the movie under Windows 98 (SE), Windows 2000 and Windows XP (just before I took XP off).. None of them worked - and they all froze at the same point. I also tried 1.0.3 build 5 and 1.0.4 build 2 (hope I got those version numbers right ).... It made no difference.

Hope the info helps.
If anyone does find out how to work around these issues (without temporal smoothing, or without limiting to 1 pass) then I'd love to know.

RUOK

[mrbass]

just to reiterate...you tried the following with no success?
-rip with internal routines
-rip with vstrip
-you have screensaver, harddrive powerdown, powermanagement disabled, etc.? Check windows settings for POWER for winXP.
Turn off Monitor: Never
Turn off harddisks: Never
System standy: Never
System hibernates: Never
Also disable all power management in the BIOS.
Screensaver set to NONE.

I notice under XP when viewing the task manager it says cce (forgot which task since there's two of them) says 'Not Responding'. However it hasn't stopped and properly resumes on each pass. So I wonder if this CCE stuff has to do with the Not Responding not being able to resume for whatever reason?

[Morgan]

Hi

That is interesting what ruok posted. When CCE 'pauses' I eventually stopped it and then the application continued to run. BUT I assumed that the movie that would be produced would be corrupt in some way and so ended the production. I may give this another go and at the point of 'pausing' just let the application continue. I suppose that could account for no error messages or the Log file 'appearing' ok..?

mrbass I can confirm that all the conditions that you have written are met during the production of the SVCD. I have tried the internal ripper (once) rather than use Smartripper but this does not enable the continuation - I thought that that might do it after reading these posts but no luck.
You are right that Task Manager states 'not responding' but it always states that and yet the time left and taken are counting up/down. However theses 'counters' stop responding and remain stuck, along with the % of the movie made for ever once it has reached a certain percentage.

This applies under Win ME and XP and on two different machines with variations of the DVD2SVCD package used - as posted in my original post.
Might have to manage with a 1 pass encoding - thanks again to ruok on the method he used to get a final SVCD disk made.

Any other ideas on this problem...?

Regards and thanks

Morgan

[Morgan]

Originally posted by mrbass

I notice under XP when viewing the task manager it says cce (forgot which task since there's two of them) says 'Not Responding'. However it hasn't stopped and properly resumes on each pass. So I wonder if this CCE stuff has to do with the Not Responding not being able to resume for whatever reason?

Hi

Sorry but forgot to answer the above well made point, enirely.
This would not apply under Win ME nor when ruok tried it under Win 98. He also tried it under W2K but I am not sure if the same message is given there.
It *could* suggest however that there maybe a problem with CCE doing a multipass encoding. Confirmed by ruok being able to produce an SVCD of the film by ending the application after it has 'paused' and accepting the quality as a 'single' pass encoded film..?


Thanks

Morgan

[Morgan]

Hi

I have finally got it to work, of a sort.

Having being given the idea by ruok on the multipass problems of CCE I decided to try again and this time just use a single pass only and it worked. I have enclosed the log file for you to look at.
It took about 3.5 hours from start to finish and produced a file to fit onto 1 SVCD disk. The quality isn't as good as using 3 pass or more, but this did not seem to be possible.

I would love to know why the multi pass feature of CCE seems to be problematic as using single pass maybe quicker, and it all fits to 1 disk, but the quality is a little inferior.

Thanks for your help


Morgan




LOGFILE****************
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- 02/12/2001 14:19:02
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.4 build 2
--------------------------------------------------------
Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 02/12/2001 14:19:06
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- D:\SVCD\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Creating DVD2AVI project file.
Closing program
Framerate: 25000
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 02/12/2001 14:22:07
- Free on drive D: 17683.52 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3
Audio extraction finished.

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- 02/12/2001 14:28:06
- Free on drive D: 17406.72 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Downmixing AC3 Stream. Filename: D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3
Autodetecting Azid dB Gain offset
Executing Azid. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Azid\Azid.exe" -c normal -g30db -N -L -3db "D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3"

"D:\SVCD\DownmixedAudioSt1-48KHz.wav" >"D:\SVCD\Azid.log"
Autodetection of dB offset finished
Gain offset: 13.00dB
Executing Azid. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Azid\Azid.exe" -c normal -g13.00db -L -3db "D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3"

"D:\SVCD\DownmixedAudioSt1-48KHz.wav"
Downmixing of D:\SVCD\Extracted_audio_stream_1.ac3 finished.

No delay and no WAV Downsampling.

Encoding wav file to mp2.
Executing tooLame. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\tooLame\tooLame.exe" -m s -b 128 -e "D:\SVCD\FinalAudioSt1.wav"

"D:\SVCD\Encoded_audio_stream_1.mp2"
Audio conversion finished.

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- 02/12/2001 14:56:57
- Free on drive D: 16372.09 mb
- Video Encoding
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OK
Closing program
StreamSectors: 1543075576
AudioSectors: 84045136
VideoPAPO: 22601160
ScanOffsetBytes: 194352
SeqAligningBytes: 12352149
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 0.00
PureMPEGStream: 1423882770.67
Seconds: 5182.72
CDSize: 740.00
Cut point 737.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 129568
Anti Noise Filter: 2
Passes: 3
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: One Pass VBR
Q. Factor: 60
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2197

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
OK
Closing program
Video Encoding finished.

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- 02/12/2001 17:26:17
- Free on drive D: 15609.58 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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- 02/12/2001 17:26:19
- Free on drive D: 15609.56 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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- 02/12/2001 17:26:21
- Free on drive D: 15609.56 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 737 mb
Closing program
Length of D:\SVCD\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
4637 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 4639
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 737 mb
Closing program
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

CD-Image creation finished.

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- 02/12/2001 17:35:37
- Free on drive D: 14785.16 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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[dvd2svcd]

Originally posted by Morgan


I would love to know why the multi pass feature of CCE seems to be problematic as using single pass maybe quicker, and it all fits to 1 disk, but the quality is a little inferior.

So would I, trust me, I have been searching for a soultion a very long time without finding any, when I think, "Now I got it" it always turns out that what I got is a solution for that particular movie, the next that bumps needs a whole different fix.

[Mastro]

HI there
I'm just new at this DVD ripping, and still trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
I'm trying to create a VCD from Dune DVD. Have installed DVD2VCD ver.1.04 Build 1. Hav e followed all directions (hope so) but still I can not produce any encoded video. The audio stream is almost perfect, and the log file stops at the "Audio conversion finished". nothing else. If I run DVD2AVI and load the projects d2s and d2v, both look good, and I can manually produce an excellent video (DVX4 encoded at a 27-30 fps) and the audio stream (which anyhow is created properly abd then processed by DVD2VCD batch task).
here are some information about ny system: Win98se, XP1700+, 512Mram, 46+40Gbyte IBM HDs, MB ASUS A7V266-e.
The last time I tryed the encoding the computer rebooted after the log message Audio conversion finished.
The first time it crashed, and I do nopt know where, but again the audio stream was perfect.
Presumably the problem is produced by the task following the last audio encoding task(subsampling?)
I do not find any *.ecl file, i.e. CCE was not even started.
Any suggestion is wellcome.
regards
Mastro

[Morgan]

Hi Mastro

I am not sure as to what your problem could be but you will be better off posting it as a new topic rather than posting within this thread, that way more people will be able to read the problem that you are having from the subject line of your problem rather than believe that this thread contains posts only related to my own problem with CCE.

Best of luck

Morgan

[Necro]

Something similar happened to me today (encoding Alien Resurrection). The speed just dropped to nothing, and then basically died. The program was still going (the encode window), just not..well..encoding. I killed the program, and reattempted it. (I'm in W2k btw).

I'll come back and follow this up if it died again with my log file, maybe some similarity can lead to a solution.

[ruok]

Hi mrbass,

sorry for the delay in replying... for completeness to this topic...

>just to reiterate...you tried the following with no success?
>-rip with internal routines
>-rip with vstrip
tried both... both had the same side effect.
>-you have screensaver, harddrive powerdown, powermanagement disabled, etc.? Check windows settings for POWER for winXP.
all disabled
>Turn off Monitor: Never
>Turn off harddisks: Never
>System standy: Never
>System hibernates: Never
all disabled
>Also disable all power management in the BIOS.
yes
>Screensaver set to NONE.
yes

>I notice under XP when viewing the task manager it says cce (forgot >which task since there's two of them) says 'Not Responding'. However >it hasn't stopped and properly resumes on each pass. So I wonder if >this CCE stuff has to do with the Not Responding not being able to >resume for whatever reason?

It's a bit strange because CCE is definately alive (I left it one time for about 12 hours - and it did not encode a single frame!!!).

The only thing I can conclude (and DVD2SVCD indicated too) is that CCE SP 2.5 has reliability problems. I strongly suspect it has nothing to do with DVD2SVCD because I shut down the machine and ran CCE SP 2.5 independently of DVD2SVCD and still had the same grief.

Many thanks for the excellent info here folks...


RUOK