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16th April 2015, 14:27 | #29001 | Link |
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My reasons are essentially opposite of yours.
I use ED1 mono static explicitly since it's not completely transparent and adds a bit of texture (similar to static grain) to the image, which I find benefits clean HD sources the most visually, especially animation. ED1 also has the lowest tendency of producing undesired dithering patterns and artifacts, at the expense of a slightly higher noise floor. This noise floor in turn makes Dynamic mono a poor fit for ED1, since it adds too much energy to motionless and flat content which can be distracting. ED2 on the other hand has a lower noise floor, yet has a tendency to produce minor patterns and artifacts. Dynamic is needed to counteract this. With SD and below, I'd rather have a transparent dither without any visible texture. While quality of SD is usually low enough, that I wouldn't notice ED2 mono dynamic even if I were looking for it. |
16th April 2015, 15:46 | #29002 | Link |
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I'm using Error Diffusion Option 1 in madvr, but acessing the LAV Video Decoder Menu there's also an option for dithering mode (in this case I'm using ordered dithering). Is there a way to disable the LAV dithering and use only the madvr dithering?
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16th April 2015, 15:47 | #29003 | Link | |
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e.g. I noticed that on overclock.net, where most people have insanely good GPUs and CPUs, they are often in favor of SVP+madvr. Also sometimes it's only purism. I know there are rare artifacts, but the slideshow of 24 fps is multiple times more awful. Last edited by tobindac; 16th April 2015 at 15:55. |
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16th April 2015, 18:12 | #29008 | Link | ||
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Huhn thinks that there are pitch issues when watching pal content with SM. I'm telling him that there aren't, and there isn't a need for reclock when using SM. Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp? Quote:
24fps looks fine for most content. If you want higher fps content, blame the content creators. Motion interpolation is like upscaling, it helps sometimes, but its tied to the quality of the source, you can't create information that isn't there. |
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16th April 2015, 18:29 | #29009 | Link |
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Arm3nian,
did you listen to the examples from the PAL speedup page (http://sandbox.slysoft.com/palspeedup/index.html)? Do you hear the differences? If not then there is nothing we can do to explain this better to you but if you do then you'll understand what we have to live with in our PAL countries. The speed up is not something that's done by us or by our gear - it's done in the studios and reclock is the only software solution to undo it so we can listen to the tracks as it was intended by the authors. I hope you'll finally understand it and stop this discussion in this thread. SM has a lot of benefits and I do use it but for totally different reasons and you have to accept that there are situations/persons that either don't like it (visually) or it doesn't fit their needs ... and that's life.
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16th April 2015, 19:34 | #29014 | Link |
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With PAL speedup you get the wrong pitch watching 25 fps on a 50 Hz screen or even only listening to the audio. The studio did the speed up and Reclock offers a speed down option, which madVR also supports, to play 25 fps video at 24 fps. The display's refresh rate does not come into it.
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16th April 2015, 19:49 | #29015 | Link |
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I noticed that using 64-bit madVR with the appropriate MPC-HC and internal LAV Filters, NNEDI3 upscaling is not working at all. No matter which sub-settings I pick. Milisecond count however (rarely) spikes up in the renderer as if it were active. Graphics card is a R9 270X.
Also: Thanks for making a 64-bit version finally! That should be huge for scaler performance. Last edited by Schwartz; 16th April 2015 at 23:30. |
16th April 2015, 20:30 | #29017 | Link | |
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16th April 2015, 21:04 | #29018 | Link | |
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Ugh madshi was correct in his statement, just like everything he says. That post is just old, and doesn't apply anymore. There is a clock for your cpu, gpu, and audio. Other renderers can access the same clock that reclock can. Madshi has stated often that reclock is not needed for SM. If you don't believe me, try SM with reclock and without, there is no difference in IQ...
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16th April 2015, 21:21 | #29019 | Link |
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There are plenty of DVDs sped up to 25fps (from 24) that require Reclock or JRiver's equivalent to watch them properly. Otherwise you're just watching a sped up film.
Maybe recent releases don't suffer from this, I have no clue, I moved to blu-ray long ago and rarely watch DVDs (just for those few titles that aren't released on blu-ray) but I've had to deal with more than a few sped up ones. |
16th April 2015, 21:37 | #29020 | Link |
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Fair enough, that's a valid reason to use reclock, even though my original argument was about not needing reclock if using SM for non altered content. Most of those DVDs are remastered or available on bluray anyway as you said.
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