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18th April 2009, 20:24 | #1 | Link |
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FixStars Realtime Cell Encoder Samples :)
They also gonna present a Consumer Encoder on the PS3 @ NAB see news
http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/...ys/sample.html (though they show only ~1 minute the problematic scenes aren't shown this way :P ) i wonder if they reused anything from x264 (being very near @ OSS see yellowdog linux) you can also Online Encode something here (on the Cloud) https://codecsys.fixstars.com/en/tri...sonalData.html (be aware upload speed is slow depending if your location is outside of Asia)
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all my compares are riddles so please try to decipher them yourselves :) It is about Time Join the Revolution NOW before it is to Late ! http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168004 Last edited by CruNcher; 18th April 2009 at 20:44. |
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I have uploaded a video clip to do online encode, the video clip was used in the leadtek pxvc1100 test and convert to yuv i420 ( the file size is 1.08GB @_@).
performance: profile/level: hp 3.0 b-frame:2 slice:4 1000kbps fast 29.80 s 1500kbps fast 30.56 s 2000kbps fast 29.31 s 2500kbps fast 29.03 s 3000kbps fast 31.10 s 3500kbps fast 29.70 s 4000kbps fast 30.41 s CodecSys Trial VBR HP3.0 Y-SSIM (avg,2230 frames) 1000 kbps 0.942234318 1500 kbps 0.958717494 2000 kbps 0.966834899 2500 kbps 0.971830425 3000 kbps 0.97554094 3500 kbps 0.978308054 4000 kbps 0.980634944 |
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Jep it looks really interesting vs a GPU solution the Cell is really made for this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxuYkKkmS5s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g5KKTC1oRs&NR=1 if this really works out the PS3 could recive a major bump up in Sales after it's Quality and usability gets confirmed in June but you shouldn't forget it needs to beat x264 on a CPU 1.2 realtime can also easily done with x264 @ i would say lower power output and to what i saw Codecsys has no AQ yet so it seems not in the state of HVS enhancements x264 gone through the years (not even wanna talk about missing Psy-RD or a similiar concept like Ateme and Mainconcept have also developed). Though i guess using the PS3 Cell should have some more Encoding Power then a SpursEngine consumer card . So Fixstars Encoder is still a smal Child that maybe has alot of Power behind it's back but the Quality is what counts for most and here i see lack of development time on Fixstars side to compete with the other solutions yet Unless they buildup the core from x264 then i guess they could in no time also port all the HVS stuff over to it and then it becomes really interesting It's funny to see they using MPC-HC on that Presentation :P i guess they also lurk arround Doom9 and look @ x264 development alot
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Found something in B3DForums:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread...76#post1297476 Quote:
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http://codecsys.fixstars.com/ja/supp.../hardware.html
that's a little crazy :P how much power that consumes together geez :P you could use that PC alone and save alot of Power with using x264 with the right settings also this doesn't look very advanced to me @ all. http://codecsys.fixstars.com/ja/imag...tingDialog.png http://codecsys.fixstars.com/ja/imag...s/CE-10GUI.png though there is another tab mybe their some HVS settings are hiding
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We use an automated speedcontrol patch available on request. The settings for realtime broadcast, depending on the CPU used, tend to hover between subme=6 and subme=9. SD generally uses higher settings since they don't run 6x as many SD streams on a box as they run HD streams.
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1. Quad-core SD encoding box (Core 2). Used to be more necessary years ago, but totally pointless now that x264 is so fast. Only still around because their original architecture assumed one stream per box. 2. Dual-quadcore HD encoding box (Core 2). Handles one 1080i or 720p HD stream. Usually around 3-3.2Ghz. 3. Quadcore HD encoding box (Nehalem). Handles one 1080i or 720p HD stream. 4. Dual-quadcore HD encoding box (Nehalem). Handles two 1080i or 720p HD streams. This is the new mainstay box. Of course you can put SD streams on the dual boxes as well. |
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http://www.elementaltechnologies.com/products/server <- uses the pro encoder core (which hopefully sometime finds it way into badaboom)
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Okay, I did toy around with it, but it seems my only x86 in the house (I'm a PPC man, baby!), an Athlon 3500+ is too slow for whatever it is they're still doing with the main CPU (getting constantly 100% load on the Athlon!): It seems to run out of sync with the network streaming and the CE-10 just stops writing to the target file! It doesn't tell you about this or complain, it just goes on encoding, so that sucks.
Yes, and I also did try encoding video only, so the Athlon wouldn't have to do the sound, and I did try ISO-MPEG4 AVI, m2v MPEG2 Video and YUV as Input (an Athlon 3500+ can decode 1080p MPEG2 just fine!). I did notice it got the furthest using YUV as input before it stopped writing, so it's probably just my machine not decoding fast enough for the CE-10... btw: If you want to change the Japanese GUI to English, change computer\hkey_current_user\software\fixstars\code csys ce-10\culture from ja-JP to en-US in the Registry! It is definately not as flexible as x264 and doesn't offer as many options. It does however also do 4x slice-encoding if wanted, unlike x264, which should be a boon for pre-Core/Phenom Multi-CPU systems that don't use CoreAVC, Divx7 or ffmpeg-mt! Other than that you can choose between main and high profile, set B-Frames from 1-3, adjust GOP-size, set avg/max bitrate, choose between quality and fast encoding approach, set some QP level and pixel ratio and some other value I forgot (but which didn't tell me anything). It also has a profile setting for Bluray, which warns you if your settings are not bluray-compliant... Quality seems pretty good though judging from the short clips I was able to encode before it stopped writing into the file... And it is hella fast, they didn't lie about that! Would love to see a bit more testing from you guys... Last edited by kaid; 20th June 2009 at 14:11. |
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if you read the latest official PR release from 1 July 2009 they say they are now
"AFFORDABLE, BROADCAST QUALITY, NEAR REAL-TIME H.264 ENCODER FOR PS3" http://lists.fixstars.com/pipermail/...ly/000215.html ".... CodecSys CE-10 Personal: - H.264 software encoder with support for 1080i/p full HD. - Max bit-rate 15Mbps, Blu-ray standard compliant. - Licensed for personal use only. - $199.00 USD CodecSys CE-10 Professional - H.264 software encoder support 1080i/p full HD. - Max bit-rate 150Mbps, Blu-ray standard compliant. - Licensed for commercial use. - $1,999.00 USD .... " they apparently also have a 14 day trial, "CodecSys CE-10 Professional 14 Days Free Trial You can use the full functionality of CodecSys CE-10 Professional free for 14 days. CodecSys CE-10 Professional requires both a PC and PS3. Read Required Hardware and download here. " but i m not sure how you would install that, as they also say "Connected to a PC via a gigabit ethernet, the PS3 performs as an external, dedicated video encoder. All encoding is handled by the PS3 which runs an embedded version of Yellow Dog Linux entirely from ROM, thus shifting the CPU-intensive processing away from the workstation. " and again, i assume they are using the latest faster YDL v6.2 with Xfce, perhaps even using Markos's libfreevec, http://www.codex.gr/ http://www.freevec.org/ a (LGPL) library with replacement routines for GLIBC, such as memcpy(), strlen(), etc. These routines, which have been rewritten and optimized to use the AltiVec vector engine found in the G4/G4+ PowerPC CPUs, can provide for up to 25% increase in application performance. that PR page leads to the main page http://codecsys.fixstars.com/en/ce10/ and the tech specs look pritty much pro even for the limited 15Mbit/s Max personal version... http://codecsys.fixstars.com/en/ce10/specs.html its odd, but they only did a 1 minute 1920x1080 Elephants Dream and Big Buck Bunny rather than the full encodes http://codecsys.fixstars.com/en/ce10/gallery.html even odder, it seems while the http://codecsys-dl.fixstars.com/gallery/ED_7.2Mbps.mp4 (7045 Kbps,High@L4.0,ref 2,1920x1080,etc) is well below the 360s valid spec of ref3,10Mbit/s,H@L4.1, it didnt Manage to stream with PS3Mediaserver1.20 to the 360 without stopping a few times over a wired LAN connection...., it may be my 2gig E4400 xp os playing up i suppose!, but even then it looks rather sharp on my cheap 32" LCD TV connected HDMI 360. Last edited by popper; 18th July 2009 at 07:59. |
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I made a little test using CE-10 Pro Trial:
Source: Blu-ray Promo from Gran Torino BR disc Details: VC-1 1080p 23.976 fps 13 Mbps (Max 23 Mbps) Decoder: NVTools + AviSynth (Hardware Accelerated) Laptop Specs: Intel Core2Duo T5800, GeForce 9300M, Windows 7 Build 7260 x64 Others: Resized to 1440x1080p using Spline36 CodeSys CE-10 Settings: Desired Bitrate: 5000 Kbps Real Bitrate: 4250 Kbps (Aprox) Encoding Speed: 12 fps (Aprox) Total Encoding Time: 3:13.150 x264 core 68 r1183M f21daff 1-Pass ABR (Blu-ray Compliant) Settings: Code:
--profile high --level 4.1 --keyint 48 --min-keyint 4 --direct auto --deblock -2:-1 --psy-rd 0.8:0.2 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --qpmax 40 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.2 --vbv-bufsize 15000 --vbv-maxrate 15000 --thread-input --aq-strength 0.8 --ssim --output "J:\Gran Torino\BDMV\STREAM\1440.mkv" "J:\Gran Torino\BDMV\STREAM\1440.avs" --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd --sar 4:3 Real Bitrate: 4675 Kbps Encoding Speed: 5.39 fps Total Encoding Time: 7:37.000 (Aprox) Comparative Stills: Full Promo: CE-10 x264 Conclusions on CE-10: 1.- Only half "Real Time" speed. 2.- Laptop's CPU at 90% (Using NVTools for Decoding). 3.- Only 2.2x faster than x264 using mid range CPU for laptop, with mid settings (Desktops QuadCore are probably faster than CE-10). 4.- Lower Quality than x264 |
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