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Old 5th June 2019, 14:17   #56501  |  Link
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Something to ponder on.

Few of us are doing a very good job keeping this thread clean for MADSHI, 99% of the conversations on here should have been on the GENERAL thread which MADSHI need not read, there is too much spam on here now, if we dont keep it clean it will just make the thread more and more daunting for MADSHI to revisit and catch up on regularly.
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Old 5th June 2019, 15:30   #56502  |  Link
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Yeah you either have hardware or software instability. I assume that you've gamed on the 2080 yeah? If so that rules out problems with the hardware..
You should look first at uninstalling your graphics drivers with DDU and reinstalling, this isn't a issue with madVR, it's your system that's at fault.
Wouldn't hurt to run a System File Check too if you're still having issues after reinstalling the GPU driver.
Also, wouldn't hurt to reset settings for whatever media player you're using along with madVR, try that first.
Hi,

I did everything you mentionned: remove the drivers with DDU, install them back, reset PotPlayer and MadVR settings, I did a system file check which found and fix a problem.
As @tp4tissue asked, I also did a 15mn GPU test with Furmark without problem.

But as soon as I put back the setting I use in MadVR, this made my PC crash when I went into fullscreen with H.264 files.

I did more tests, and pinpointed the settings that make my PC crash :

In the MadVR settings, when super-xdr or NGU are activated in the chrome and image upscaling, if both "sharpen edges" and "thin edges" are activated at the same time in the upscaling refinement, then this will make my PC crash when entering fullscreen using H.264 files (that usually works fine with H.265 files).

So for the moment if I only activate "sharpen edges" or "thin edges" (not both at the same time), then that works.

Are those settings incompatible ?
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Old 5th June 2019, 16:07   #56503  |  Link
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shouldnt be log this as a bug:

http://bugs.madshi.net/view_all_bug_...d=4&dummy=bla/
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Old 5th June 2019, 16:37   #56504  |  Link
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Hello!

I'm responding again for the second time but more prepared as i have managed to make MPC HC work with madVR and LAV filters. Now my issue is that the image somewhat looks like it has a "greenish" tint to it with madVR HDR. When watching with VLC HDR it looks proper coloration. No tints at all.
I have enabled madVR with the hardware accelleration and followed all the instructions to properly set the madVR for HDR reproduction. Everyone announces and says that madVR is definitive version to go but if it is then why does it look worse (color reproduction faulty with a green tint) compared to VLC 3.0.6 HDR?
HDR has been enabled in windows and there is literally almost no difference between the two beside this feint greenish tint to it when watching with MadVR.

Am I doing something wrong here? Did i not set MadVR correctly? This is happening across all the players i tried with MadVR. Bellow you will find links to 2 images for madVR and the same shots with VLC, please if you can assist me here it would be very helpful for me as i do want to use the definitive player for HDR reproduction.

MadVR HDR
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Old 5th June 2019, 18:21   #56505  |  Link
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is it me or does MADVR look more natural, perhaps the issue with VLC?
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Old 5th June 2019, 18:45   #56506  |  Link
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I'm not a color psychopath but TBH the difference is barely noticeable (and close to not at all for the second screenshot) even when you look at the screenshots side by side or switch between them back and forth.

At this point it's not even possible to tell which one is supposed to be the right one. For all we know, madvr could be more faithful to the original source and VLC give the movie a blueish tint.
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Old 5th June 2019, 19:23   #56507  |  Link
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The green is too much, so are the reds (-> face). Take a look at these threads:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...E-colors-wrong
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...ck#post2045830
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Old 5th June 2019, 19:52   #56508  |  Link
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The frustration is somewhat valid. But remember that madshi is nothing if not ambitious. Tackling the HDR tone mapping was a HUGE undertaking and he's got some REALLY amazing dedicated people working on it to help him. I think the scope of that project was far bigger than anyone could imagine. Then throw out the Envy work being done and remember that NONE OF THIS is madshi's day job. It was his intention last November to have a new release out within a couple weeks with improved tone mapping, but, they kept finding issues that have take a lot of work to iron out. Also, I don't believe they are anywhere near "done" on the HDR side of things. madshi has talked about when this phase is complete what comes next with things like being able to look several frames ahead and other improvements. That does sort of leave the rest of the product stuck until that work is finished. So yes, I get the frustration. I also appreciate the insane work he's been doing and I know you guys get that. Good things will come in time.
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Old 5th June 2019, 20:48   #56509  |  Link
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Am I doing something wrong here? Did i not set MadVR correctly? This is happening across all the players i tried with MadVR. Bellow you will find links to 2 images for madVR and the same shots with VLC, please if you can assist me here it would be very helpful for me as i do want to use the definitive player for HDR reproduction.
There is way too many variables to answer such a question. The green-tinted version may even be the correct one. Or there is a configuration mistake, which we can't even begin to guess at.
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Old 6th June 2019, 00:57   #56510  |  Link
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There is way too many variables to answer such a question. The green-tinted version may even be the correct one. Or there is a configuration mistake, which we can't even begin to guess at.
It happens on all movies and when played directly from TV via USB it doesn't have that green tint. It looks identical to VLC 3.0.6 actually. So i'm honestly confused here. I did not modify any settings in madVR or the player itself. It is a fresh install of madVR and the player itself that's why i'm asking. Is there some option that i have to flip on to get the correct tone map for HDR?

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I'm not a color psychopath but TBH the difference is barely noticeable (and close to not at all for the second screenshot) even when you look at the screenshots side by side or switch between them back and forth.

At this point it's not even possible to tell which one is supposed to be the right one. For all we know, madvr could be more faithful to the original source and VLC give the movie a blueish tint.
Well If you take a look it's very easily discernable. Look at stalones hair. It looks greenish while on the VLC it looks black. Look how white is altering to feint green. It definitely is not natural.
It may not even be the issue with the madVR itself but the way the player itself is converting the colors that's why i'm writing here to see if i have to change something as i am running fresh player install with madVR.
You should always second guess if you are not unsure. Don't blindly trust because it says "MadVR".

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he green is too much, so are the reds (-> face). Take a look at these threads:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...E-colors-wrong
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...ck#post2045830
Will see if i find some kind of a fix in those threads and will post an update if i have managed to get the proper reproduction.


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is it me or does MADVR look more natural, perhaps the issue with VLC?
Definitely it is you because the colors do not look more natural but less natural as we don't see the world through a greenish tint, unless you are wearing sunglasses with greenish tint then it's alright.

Thank you guys for answering and will post my findings from the links provided! If you know more about this issue please reply!
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Old 6th June 2019, 02:15   #56511  |  Link
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Hi, is there any way I can read the settings.bin file in plain text? I got a new computer and want to transfer some of my old madVR settings, but I'm reluctant to just transfer the settings.bin file because I have also changed some hardware (e.g., my monitor and GPU). I'm afraid copying the settings.bin file from an old system will cause problems.

With other programs it hasn't been a huge deal. Most programs backup their settings in plain text of some sort, so I can just fire up Notepad++ and use the "compare" plugin to see which settings I want to transfer over. But madVR's settings.bin comes out as gibberish in Notepad++.
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Old 6th June 2019, 02:42   #56512  |  Link
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the settings bin doesn't store settings about your hardware and even if something should go wrong it is nothing that can't be fixed by simply removing it.

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don't use the windows 10 HDR feature it does what ever it wants to the image and worse to SDR too.

a claim about a green tint is meaningless without proper calibrated hardware and even harder with the TVs tone mapping which yet again does what ever it wants with the image.
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Old 6th June 2019, 06:01   #56513  |  Link
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So for the moment if I only activate "sharpen edges" or "thin edges" (not both at the same time), then that works.
Are those settings incompatible ?
They work fine together, I doubt it's a madVR bug as nobody has experienced anything similar. Please test with either x64 MPC-HC or MPC-BE media players.
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Old 6th June 2019, 14:21   #56514  |  Link
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a claim about a green tint is meaningless without proper calibrated hardware and even harder with the TVs tone mapping which yet again does what ever it wants with the image.
But you can see it in the screenshots and VLC doesn't show it, so it's not Windows' or the TV's fault.
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Old 6th June 2019, 19:54   #56515  |  Link
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don't use the windows 10 HDR feature it does what ever it wants to the image and worse to SDR too.
What should I use then in order to trigger TV HDR output for PC ? I also selected HDR pass through on the madVR.


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a claim about a green tint is meaningless without proper calibrated hardware and even harder with the TVs tone mapping which yet again does what ever it wants with the image.
You don't need to have proper calibrated hardware to see that the madVR is giving green tint to the image. I provided direct comparison (screenshot not camera picture) which means it has been taken from the source itself and in the source itself you can see the pixels are painted green ever so slightly if I didn't have VLC to compare I wouldn't even notice it. Please open the provided images in the comment to see for yourself.
Focus on the stalones hair alone. You can see instead of white/grey/black you can see shades of green. Quickly switch between the two and you will see obvious "green tint" with madVR.

I honestly don't know if I have to enable some kind of option to get proper madVR HDR output as the MPC is fresh as well as the madVR with latest LAV filters. Nothing modified or changed only flipped the fullscreen and exclusive screen as well as HDR passthrough.
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Check in "trade quality for performance" if the HDR options are checked, maybe.

Edit 2: come to think of it, how does madVR take screenshots of HDR material when set to passthrough? Does it convert to SDR?

Edit: forget that, silly me, that would only affect HDR if it was processed. No idea, really.
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The green is too much, so are the reds (-> face). Take a look at these threads:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...E-colors-wrong
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...ck#post2045830
Those threads are simply BT.601 v.s. BT.709.

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What should I use then in order to trigger TV HDR output for PC ? I also selected HDR pass through on the madVR.
Only select HDR passthrough in madVR, leave the Windows setting alone.

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You don't need to have proper calibrated hardware to see that the madVR is giving green tint to the image.
HDR passthrough works great for me and I was finally able to calibrate the HDR mode on my TV. Neither of your screenshots appear to have a problematic green cast to them on my display. I can see a difference, madVR looks more saturated, but I would not be willing to say which colors were the correct ones.

It could be that your display's very low saturation greens are a bit too saturated (very common) so it while it shouldn't look green it looks green to you. Or it could just be a BT.601 v.s. BT.709 issue, I wouldn't trust the TVs internal player to necessarily get that correct either.
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They work fine together, I doubt it's a madVR bug as nobody has experienced anything similar. Please test with either x64 MPC-HC or MPC-BE media players.
I've tested with MPC-HC x64 and the result is the same as with PotPlayer, the PC crashes as soon as I enter fullscreen mode with H.264 files when "sharpen edges" and "thin edges" are both activated :O
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Yes, I agree, because I think a wrong conversion of one matrix to another might be the issue, of course for this issue it won't be simply BT.601 vs. BT.709. But I have no file to test with. MKVToolNix can cut out a short sample in really short time.
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Old 7th June 2019, 00:40   #56520  |  Link
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Just updated to Windows 10 build 1903 and straight away noticed desktop looked more saturated.

Loaded the black clipping test file and my calibrated settings are now flashing 20-25 instead of 17-25.

I have an Nvidia GTX 970 with latest drivers 22 May 2019. Anyone else having issues?
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