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Old 7th February 2017, 05:36   #1001  |  Link
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my guess is the 'faster encoding' would come from some assembler optimizations which might not help on older systems,...
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my guess is the 'faster encoding' would come from some assembler optimizations which might not help on older systems,...
that was my first idea too, newer systems has alot of new instructions and moar cores!
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moar cores!
You know it's becoming mainstream when even Intel is supposedly hopping on this bandwagon with Coffee Lake!

AMD was just too ahead of their time.
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You know it's becoming mainstream when even Intel is supposedly hopping on this bandwagon with Coffee Lake!

AMD was just too ahead of their time.
they have been ahead of the time for a while, case in point gcn
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Not only GCN remember Fusion/HSA as well which every console has become part of and where Mantle arose from
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My best available CPU is still a Phenom-II X6. No AVX to boost modern codecs. Part-time paid full-time jobs. Globalization FTW.
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My best available CPU is still a Phenom-II X6. No AVX to boost modern codecs. Part-time paid full-time jobs. Globalization FTW.
With Phenom, your main problem is lack of SSSE3 and SSE4, not lack of AVX. If you need more recent SIMD instructions tho, I see lots of refurbished office desktops with the likes of Core i5-2400 with prices starting at circa 175 € at the etailers that deal in such machines. Maybe that could be a viable way. Also Xeon E5-2600 chips of the "v1" (Sandy Bridge) category are cheap on ebay, but in this case it is hard to get the needed motherboard for cheap.

(And I bet we would all have even shittier computers and living standards were worse, if this "globalization" didn't occur. It's just scapegoat and/or red herring in somebody's agenda, as it happens.)

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I wouldn't be surprised if the Ryzen CPUs launching at the end of this month cause the prices on Sandy Bridge CPUs and LGA1155 systems to completely crater.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Ryzen CPUs launching at the end of this month cause the prices on Sandy Bridge CPUs and LGA1155 systems to completely crater.
That would be nice, but the prices of those second-hand office desktops are already low if you consider that they have 4 GB of DDR3 (which got more expensive since 2012 instead of getting cheaper) and W7 license sticker and you can use those serials to activate clean installs of W10 on the machine, AFAIK.

Ryzens will launch at prices of i7-7700K and higher, so they might lower prices of second hand gaming computers, motherboards and CPUs like i5-2500K, i7-2600K and other quadcores that gamers or "enthusiasts" have been buying.
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Ryzens will launch at prices of i7-7700K and higher
You realize there will be fewer-core versions of Ryzen and not just the 8core/16thread variant...
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Most probably though the most expensive ones 8 core will be launched first for pre adopters and then later the avg consumer 4 core ones following which would be the opposite from the GPU Strategy
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You realize there will be fewer-core versions of Ryzen and not just the 8core/16thread variant...
I know (https://s23.postimg.org/tqb06wo0p/9d...4c300b9ea9.jpg). My estimate is that they will get to about 150-175 USD price level ( 4C/4T). But currently it seems that such SKUs won't be part of the initial launch, it's unknown when will they start to sell.
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Interesting now it seems we have a standard for Performance indexing with a Number from Intel and AMD

Ryzen 3,5,7
Core 3,5,7


which respectively points to 2,4,8 and 4,6,8 cores with a balancing in between thread executions and clock

So in the middle Intel fights vs 6 cores now with 4 and its AVX2

The most interesting compare point between both at those 65W
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which respectively points to 2,4,8 and 4,6,8 cores with a balancing in between thread executions
But it doesn't, not for Intel anyway.
There is i7s with 4, 6, 8 and 10 cores.
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Nothing for the masses really in its overall price/performance balancing
Also well still need to understand how efficiently Ryzen will work together MultiGPU and how especially the ACE will interact between IGPU/CPU and Discrete sharing workloads and balancing them efficiently supporting each other, where Nvidia has 0 connection point with Intel and Nvidia mostly hacking up and workaround stuff
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Intel's HEDT processors, those ultra expensive 6, 8, 10 core processors, will be the first victims of RyZen beasts.

With Intel's prices ~1700 $ and very expensive motherboards, those processors are dead on arrival of RyZen.

Besides very specific AVX/AVX2 performance, those Intel's CPUs are a completely meaningless choice.
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will interact between IGPU/CPU and Discrete sharing workloads and balancing them efficiently supporting each other, where Nvidia has 0 connection point with Intel and Nvidia mostly hacking up and workaround stuff
Ryzen doesn't have a iGPU.

Ryzen is at a point between Intels consumer models and the HEDT platform. It offers 8 cores at a price somewhere in the HEDT range (ie. latest rumors put EU prices at ~600€ for the 1800X, which is slightly above a i7 6850k, or the 1700X for ~470€ which sits similar to a 6800k), but on the other hand it doesn't have some of the HEDT features like extra PCIe lanes for multi-GPU.
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Raven Ridge (Ryzen APU) will have it based on most probably VEGA IP and run on every since then released AM4 Ryzen Mainboard
The basic Zen CPU is not that highlight but that combination combined with a Discrete HBM2 GPU and the workloads it allows Async efficiently powered by Vulkan
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In order to not misinform anyone we must put the facts as they are.

The 8c/16t RyZen 1800X with 3.6GHz base clock and 4.0GHz turbo has a TDP of 95W and will cost ~600

The 8c/16t Intel i7 6900K with 3.2GHz base clock and 3.7GHz turbo has a TDP of 140W and costs ~1200

So, the Intel's equivalent for most workloads of RyZen 1800X has double price.

In other words, dead meat.
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Intel's HEDT processors, those ultra expensive 6, 8, 10 core processors, will be the first victims of RyZen beasts.

With Intel's prices ~1700 $ and very expensive motherboards, those processors are dead on arrival of RyZen.

Besides very specific AVX/AVX2 performance, those Intel's CPUs are a completely meaningless choice.
What about Ultra HD Blu-ray and Netflix in 4K? I read that they require Kaby Lake for copy protection, even Intel's HEDT platform doesn't work with either of those it's frustrating.
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