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Old 22nd August 2011, 13:08   #381  |  Link
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You may want to check this wrapper which is only 18KB, compared to the 398KB of the one you link to, and source code is included:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...dpost&p=763079
That's exactly the one I use

(As you may have noticed, I linked 'libsndfile' in a static way in order to get rid of another DLL dependency, which explains the different size of the EXE file)

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And in your FAQ you provide a direct link to a version of Winamp which is the German only version. You may want to link either to the English version and/or to the international version which includes German, Dutch, French, Italian, Polish, Russian, Spanish, Swedish, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Turkish, Portuguese and Romanian languages.
You are right. I will change the link to point to the 'international' version.
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LameXP v4.03 Alpha-13:

This version adds experimental support for the FHG AAC Encoder that is included with latest Winamp.
You will need the Add-in to enable the FHG AAC Encoder in LameXP. See the included instructions!

hi, by any chance did you modify the sources to add support for stdout? (for adts CBR)?
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hi, by any chance did you modify the sources to add support for stdout? (for adts CBR)?
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I don't know if output to 'stdout' is possible with their encoder API

Output as MP4 probably requires random access to the output file, which isn't possible when writing to stdout. ADTS might work though (in theory).

Also I think the CBR limitation of ADTS mode is a limitation of the encoder library, not of the CLI front-end...
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Speed of LameXP

Hi I have an old Athlon 64 3200+ running WinXP 32bit, and find the old version of LameXP (LameXP v3.18 Hotfix-2 Build 88) to be twice as fast when encoding 320kb constant bitrate mp3s, vs the 4.02 build 578. My only complaint is that the old version keeps bugging me that the code is more than a year old and I have to update (by the way, the check for updates is disabled). If I choose cancel, the program closes, and if I choose "yes", it goes online and checks for updates. Please tell me there's a way to disable this, because it's driving me nuts. I want to stick with the old version. Thanks
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Hello, nik33134.

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Hi I have an old Athlon 64 3200+ running WinXP 32bit, and find the old version of LameXP (LameXP v3.18 Hotfix-2 Build 88) to be twice as fast when encoding 320kb constant bitrate mp3s, vs the 4.02 build 578.
That's a quite surprising result

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My only complaint is that the old version keeps bugging me that the code is more than a year old and I have to update (by the way, the check for updates is disabled). If I choose cancel, the program closes, and if I choose "yes", it goes online and checks for updates.
It's intentional. Most users simply refuse to update and stick with archaic versions. So we need to help them a bit

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Please tell me there's a way to disable this, because it's driving me nuts.
Not without compiling your own "custom" build from the sources

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The old 3.xx is version has been deprecated and it's highly recommended to update to 4.xx now!

There are just too many nasty restrictions in the old version (no support of Unicode file names or tags !!!) and the audio tools that were used in the old version are outdated too.


So would you please run the following benchmark on your system and post the results, then we might be able to find out what is going wrong:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ct5yk2...2011-08-24.rar

(This includes the LAME build that was used in LameXP v3.18 Hotfix-2 Build 88, the build that is used in the current version as well as another build for comparison).


Here are my results:
Code:
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 15
stepping	: 7
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm nx lm lahf_lm
cpu MHz		: 2398.008
model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU           @ 2.40GHz
 
 
[VBR MODE] 
lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe	8	2.113739	0.006455	D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\bin\lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe -h -V2 --nohist D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\etc\Input.wav NUL
lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe	8	2.151387	0.012290	D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\bin\lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe -h -V2 --nohist D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\etc\Input.wav NUL
lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe	8	2.318193	0.011178	D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\bin\lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe -h -V2 --nohist D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\etc\Input.wav NUL
 
[CBR MODE] 
lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe	8	3.770149	0.076191	D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\bin\lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\etc\Input.wav NUL
lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe	8	3.257647	0.038184	D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\bin\lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\etc\Input.wav NUL
lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe	8	3.556128	0.003099	D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\bin\lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist D:\SVN\Tools\LAME\benchmark\\etc\Input.wav NUL
Concision for my system:
The "old" build was slightly faster in VBR mode and significant slower in CBR mode, compared to the "up-to-date" build.
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Here are my results:
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vendor_id	: AuthenticAMD
cpu family	: 15
model		: 47
stepping	: 2
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 pni syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow lahf_lm
cpu MHz		: 2380.318
model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
 
 
[VBR MODE] 
lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe	8	2.653358	0.005877	F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe -h -V2 --nohist F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav NUL
lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe	8	2.942623	0.006475	F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe -h -V2 --nohist F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav NUL
lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe	8	3.315548	0.007737	F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe -h -V2 --nohist F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav NUL
 
[CBR MODE] 
lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe	8	5.171427	0.012839	F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav NUL
lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe	8	4.843703	0.006763	F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav NUL
lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe	8	5.425726	0.004313	F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist F:\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav NUL
 
 
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b66pak, interesting results. Even though you have an AMD processor, the ICL build (as used in current LameXP) still is significant faster than the MSVC build.

Also your results confirm that the "old" build was a bit faster in VBR mode (although the difference is bigger than on my system) and slower in CBR mode, compared to the "up-to-date" build.

However this doesn't explain what nik33134 is reporting. He claims that the "old" build was faster in CBR mode. And he uses a very similar CPU
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So here are the results I got:

Code:
vendor_id	: AuthenticAMD
cpu family	: 15
model		: 47
stepping	: 0
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 pni syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow lahf_lm
cpu MHz		: 1995.039
model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
 
 
[VBR MODE] 
lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe	8	3.203830	0.031366	"C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe" -h -V2 --nohist "C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav" NUL
lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe	8	3.548249	0.112188	"C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe" -h -V2 --nohist "C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav" NUL
lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe	8	4.010275	0.228478	"C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe" -h -V2 --nohist "C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav" NUL
 
[CBR MODE] 
lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe	8	6.203974	0.026840	"C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.98.4-GEN.exe" -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist "C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav" NUL
lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe	8	5.810394	0.007591	"C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.99.0-ICC.exe" -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist "C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav" NUL
lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe	8	6.503573	0.004490	"C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\bin\lame-3.99.0-MSC.exe" -h --cbr -b 320 --nohist "C:\Documents and Settings\n\Desktop\benchmark.2011-08-24\\etc\Input.wav" NUL
 
 
Thu 08/25/2011 -  1:00:20.28

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This shows that the "new" version encodes a bit slower (but certainly not two times!) in VBR mode and encodes quite a bit faster in CBR mode, compared to the "old" version.

I can't see how this matches your previous report

How exactly did you measure the speed of LameXP v4.03 against v3.18 on your system before? And are you absolutely sure that you got the latest build of LameXP v4.03 (build #664 at this moment) ???

Also: Is your processor single or dual core? And how many encoder instances are you running in parallel? How is the CPU usage - encoder process(es) -vs- LameXP main process - while encoding?
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Ok, I just encoded a 7:26 flac to mp3 with the old version (constant bitrate 320, max quality, at 44100Hz, auto select channel mode) and the encoding took 1:12:34. Then I used the new version 4.02 build 578 (320 CBR, best quality, 44100Hz, auto select), and got 2:18:36. The new version created an mp3 of 17,886,730 bytes, and the old version a 17,858,745 bytes mp3 file.

I have a single core and use only one instance at a time. My observations have been empirical, and this is the first time that I used a stopwatch while encoding. But it's always been like this for me when I compared with the eye (how fast he percentage numbers change). Now either the benchmark does not fit the situation, or I don't know what...
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Ok, I just encoded a 7:26 flac to mp3 with the old version (constant bitrate 320, max quality, at 44100Hz, auto select channel mode) and the encoding took 1:12:34. Then I used the new version 4.02 build 578 (320 CBR, best quality, 44100Hz, auto select), and got 2:18:36. The new version created an mp3 of 17,886,730 bytes, and the old version a 17,858,745 bytes mp3 file.
Is this the time for encoding only or including the decoding of the input file? BTW: What is the format of the input file?

Oh, and can you please update to the latest v4.03 build? Enable "Tools" -> "Configuration" -> "Check for Beta Updates" and then check for updates!

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I have a single core and use only one instance at a time. My observations have been empirical, and this is the first time that I used a stopwatch while encoding. But it's always been like this for me when I compared with the eye (how fast he percentage numbers change). Now either the benchmark does not fit the situation, or I don't know what...
Well, the benchmark compares the encoder binary used by LameXP v4.03 against the one that was used v3.18.

And your results clearly show that the difference in pure encoding speed is rather small. Also it shows that the "new" version encodes even faster in CBR mode.

There are still two scenarios I can think of:
(a) The encoding parameters are different between v4.03 and v3.18 in some way. If slower/faster settings were used, this would explain the difference.
(b) The LameXP v4.03 front-end process uses significantly more CPU time than v3.18 on your system and this way slows down the encoder process.

Can you please check both things with the help of ProcessExplorer ???
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My original file is a FLAC, and the times that I state are only the encoding time, without the initial decoding time. I have not updated to the latest beta yet. I just run another test with the same file with ABR 192kbps. Results are 2:06:43 with the new stable version, and 1:16:54 with the old version. I will try to use the process explorer and see if I can see anything. My XP has 2 Gigs of memory and is pretty slimmed down (few services, and no unnecessary programs running, only Avira and firefox).
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My original file is a FLAC, and the times that I state are only the encoding time, without the initial decoding time. I have not updated to the latest beta yet.
Can you please update to the latest build now?

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I just run another test with the same file with ABR 192kbps. Results are 2:06:43 with the new stable version, and 1:16:54 with the old version. I will try to use the process explorer and see if I can see anything. My XP has 2 Gigs of memory and is pretty slimmed down (few services, and no unnecessary programs running, only Avira and firefox).
Please check the CPU usage of "LameXP.exe" (front-end process) and "lame.exe" (encoder process) in ProcessExplorer while encoding. Do that for version 3.18 as well as for version 4.03.

Also in the properties of the "lame.exe" process check the "command line" field - again for both versions. If there is a difference in the command-line arguments, it may explain the difference.
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Ok, I updated to the latest beta. I run process explorer and got CPU usage at 98.44% to 100% for both the old, and the new versions (ool_lame.exe and ool_lameenc.exe). The lameXP.exe showed no CPU usage at all in either version. In the new version I had a console running that displayed "This OS doesn't support ItaskbarList3 interface".

The times for the encode this time were 1:12:39 for the old version, and 2:17:79 for the new beta, for the same 52.7MB Flac file.
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Ok, I updated to the latest beta. I run process explorer and got CPU usage at 98.44% to 100% for both the old, and the new versions (ool_lame.exe and ool_lameenc.exe). The lameXP.exe showed no CPU usage at all in either version.
Good. So 'LameXP.exe' eating too much CPU time is not the problem

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In the new version I had a console running that displayed "This OS doesn't support ItaskbarList3 interface".
That message is normal on pre-Win7 systems. Nothing to worry about.

(The debug console is shown for all Beta versions)

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The times for the encode this time were 1:12:39 for the old version, and 2:17:79 for the new beta, for the same 52.7MB Flac file.
Did you check the "Command line" for 'tool_lame(enc).exe' for both versions? You find it by right-click and Properties in the ProcessExplorer.
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Yes, the parameter for the new version is:
tool_lame.exe --nohist -q 0 --cbr -b 320 --resample 44100 --tt "Theme from 'Antarctica'" --ta Vangelis --tl "The Best Of Instrumental Works" --tg Instrumental --tc "Encoded with LameXP" --ty 2008 --tn 1 --ti


For the old version, it's:
tool_lameenc.exe" --nohist -q 0 -b 320 --resample 44.1 --add-id3v2 --tt "Theme from 'Antarctica'" --ta "Vangelis" --tl "The Best Of Instrumental Works" --ty 2008 --tc "Encoded with LameXP" --tn 1 --tg "Instrumental"

Is the 100% CPU usage normal?
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Yes, the parameter for the new version is:
tool_lame.exe --nohist -q 0 --cbr -b 320 --resample 44100 --tt "Theme from 'Antarctica'" --ta Vangelis --tl "The Best Of Instrumental Works" --tg Instrumental --tc "Encoded with LameXP" --ty 2008 --tn 1 --ti

For the old version, it's:
tool_lameenc.exe" --nohist -q 0 -b 320 --resample 44.1 --add-id3v2 --tt "Theme from 'Antarctica'" --ta "Vangelis" --tl "The Best Of Instrumental Works" --ty 2008 --tc "Encoded with LameXP" --tn 1 --tg "Instrumental"
So you are using ultra slow placebo encoder settings and then you complain about speed?

I can re-produce that the "new" version indeed is noticeably slower than the "old" version when using these ultra slow placebo settings!

Of course both versions are SLOW with such settings. So try to use something more sane, like "-q 2", which is equivalent to "-h".

(It is the "LAME Algorithm Quality" slider that you want to adjust)

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Is the 100% CPU usage normal?
Yes, normal and desirable

CPU usage is the percentage of time that your CPU is working, i.e. not sleeping (waiting for I/O).

When encoding, you want your CPU to sleep as few as possible, right? ^^
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I see now. But how do I set the q to not be zero. Is it from the "Advanced Options" menu, the Lame Algorithm Quality? I've always set it to "best" in the past, should I set it to high quality instead? Anyways, thank you for your help.
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I see now. But how do I set the q to not be zero. Is it from the "Advanced Options" menu, the Lame Algorithm Quality?
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I've always set it to "best" in the past, should I set it to high quality instead?
Well, tweaking an encoder for "speed -vs- quality" always is a trade-off.

So if you want to squish out more quality at the same bitrate, then you have to accept a slower encoding speed. That's live.

However there always is a point where using even slower settings only gives a very minor additional improvement (if at all) for a significant additional speed cost.

Obviously you would only use such "placebo" settings, if you don't care about speed at all


The LAME manual says:

-q 0: use slowest & best possible version of all algorithms. -q 0 and -q 1 are slow and may not produce higher quality.
-q 2: recommended. Same as -h.
-q 5: default value. Good speed, reasonable quality.
-q 7: same as -f. Very fast, ok quality.


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Anyways, thank you for your help.
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LameXP v4.03 Beta-1:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/lame...29/2011-08-27/

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Changes between v4.02 and v4.03:
* Added an option to rename the output files (based on an user-defined naming pattern)
* Added an option to enforce Stereo Downmix for Multi-Channel sources
* Added "built-in" WMA decoder (see this thread for details) and removed all remnants of "old" decoder
* Added optional support for the FHG AAC Encoder included with Winamp 5.62 (see FAQ doc for details)
* Added a menu for bookmarking "favorite" output folders to the "output folder" tab
* Updated Qt runtime libraries to v4.8.0 Beta-1 (2011-07-19), compiled with MSVC 10.0
* Updated MediaInfo to v0.7.48 (2011-08-17), compiled with MSVC 10.0
* Updated language files (big thank-you to all contributors !!!)
* Improved "downmix" filter by using explicit channel mappings for each number of input channels
* Fixed Cue Sheet import for tracks with certain characters in the title
* Workaround for malicious "anti-virus" programs that prevent innocent applications from functioning
* Enabled "Aero Glass" theme in installer and web-update program (Vista and Windows 7 only)
* Restored Windows 2000 support with Visual Studio 2010 builds (this is experimental!)
* The "Open File(s)" and "Open Folder" dialogs will now remember the most recent directory
* Miscellaneous bugfixes
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