madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted) - Page 642

deado · 19th March 2012, 23:18

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Originally Posted by noee

Well, depending on your GPU and if you're multi-mon, you can forget about it until the later driver releases, contrary to popular opinion, Win8CP is really just barely a gloried beta. You might disable "aero" and start experimenting with Windowed-mode in the meantime.

GPU is 580, I do have 2 monitors but only showing display on one (not extending).

Hypernova · 20th March 2012, 00:42

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Originally Posted by deado

Well I do care because for me, this is the only thing not working in Win 8 - everything else seems to work fine. If there is a solution to it I want to know.

And unfortunately for me, exclusive mode is the ONLY way I get no dropped frames. So it is essential.

Bad news is I asked madshi about this just before the CP came out and he said he did not interest in fixing it now. Good news is he did say he'll fix it when Windows 8 actually come out.

I'm pretty sure about the cause though. Some "windows" that always present make madVR think that there are windows elements that are showing and thus does not go into exclusive mode. Those are Charmbar, Desktop, Start screen, etc.

I occasionally get drop frames, but with ReClock it's very rare and I usually don't notice it when that happen, so I'm good with window mode. I have a similar setup: one LCD, one projector. I use one at a time and not extended/mirrored.

deado · 20th March 2012, 01:23

That is a shame. I would happily donate like $20 to madshi if he could get it working

Hypernova · 20th March 2012, 01:36

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Originally Posted by deado

That is a shame. I would happily donate like $20 to madshi if he could get it working

We might try to request an option to turn exclusive mode on regardless of what're on the screen, similar to what MPC-HC has for EVR stuff. I.e. Manual as oppose to automatic exclusive mode. If it's a quick enough job maybe madshi might consider that for the time being.

703 · 20th March 2012, 11:44

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Originally Posted by madshi

Yeah, without a sample it doesn't make sense to look into it any further. So, 703, here's your chance...

Just to give you an update, upgrading LAV fixed the issue of not being able to read the matrices from upstream for .mp4's.

Btw, what is the difference between "upstream" and "bitstream" ? Is upstream the container?

nevcairiel · 20th March 2012, 12:26

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Originally Posted by 703

Btw, what is the difference between "upstream" and "bitstream" ? Is upstream the container?

"Upstream" means the decoder supplied this information, while "bitstream" means madVR figured this out on its own from the format headers of the video.

mark0077 · 21st March 2012, 20:12

Hi, I got a hang just now seeking in a bdmv. mpc-hc was still responsive, audio continued for a few minutes in the background, just the image froze. Also double clicking on the mpc-hc window to resize to fullscreen, I can see the image doesn't fill the screen so madVR isn't completing the resize to the full width of the screen while in this state.

http://pastebin.com/GTyQ9sAg

I'm using mpc-hc 4164, madVR v0.82.5, LAV from here http://files.1f0.de/lavf/LAVFilters-...1-gd935c59.zip

Apologies if it has nothing to with madVR.

Nevilne · 21st March 2012, 20:34

madshi, would it be possible to separate start of file delay and seek delay option?

dansrfe · 21st March 2012, 21:06

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Originally Posted by Nevilne

madshi, would it be possible to separate start of file delay and seek delay option?

There's no justifiable reason for those two things to be separate options. The reason you want to delay playback anywhere in the file is for someone who doesn't want ANY frames dropped even when they are seeking. The same person, 9 times out of 10 ALSO doesn't want any frames to be dropped or delayed at the start of playback.

Very few people will start playing a file and not seek or change some player option or fullscreen the video throughout playback from start to finish.

shaolin95 · 21st March 2012, 21:23

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Originally Posted by shaolin95

So I noticed something...my 2600Pro is able to run the 1080p movies great if I uncheck the option to go to exclusive mode when going to full screen then there are no hiccups, the movie runs smoothly all the way. I wonder what that option does and what am I missing..
?

So previously, for this question we determined I was better off using then fullscreen not exclusive mode.
But now I was given information that it seems means I am not really using Madvr at all.

"the dxva native option wont work with madvr"
dxva is the only option that runs smoothly with my hd2600 pro.

So is that true? Am I not really getting any benefits?
Thanks

Nevilne · 21st March 2012, 21:49

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Originally Posted by dansrfe

There's no justifiable reason for those two things to be separate options.

Justifiable selfish reason: I never have any artifacts or frame drops on seeks, but plenty of times with playback start (external hdds, reclock being nice, avisynth scripts and so on).

New version noticeably delays playback after seek, and I've always used low queues.

dansrfe · 21st March 2012, 23:20

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Originally Posted by Nevilne

Justifiable selfish reason: I never have any artifacts or frame drops on seeks, but plenty of times with playback start (external hdds, reclock being nice, avisynth scripts and so on).

New version noticeably delays playback after seek, and I've always used low queues.

Actually, you're right. I don't have any dropped frames on seeking either. Looks like I just needed to adjust my queue settings.

CruNcher · 22nd March 2012, 04:18

@madshi

Seems Nvidia changed something very massively in the upcoming new 300 series Driver people report MadVr brakes entirely with a Black Screen http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=360359

Though i dunno if they might left FXAA enabled and that Shader interferes with MadVR instead of just blurring everything causing a black screen possible

cyberbeing · 22nd March 2012, 05:53

If the 300.99 Kepler drivers are causing madVR a black screen, I'd suspect it would have something to do with the new VSync modes, Adaptive VSync, and other VSync enhancements in that driver.

Edit: Looks like 301.10 Kepler drivers are out now as well.

ryrynz · 22nd March 2012, 07:26

Madshi, I caught a crash I believe to be MadVR related. It happened on initial playback in MPC.
I just now had another MPC crash with an abnormal termination error window being displayed, the video and audio was still playing but the video output was playing back in slow stages as if the CPU was being stressed.
I also get crashes when the next file is played in the folder which is most likely the same issue, using LAV with QuickSync and MPC build 4170.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?o5o29wnxj329lc3

*Edit* The crash was most likely not MadVR related, I'm no longer having any issues.

aufkrawall · 22nd March 2012, 12:07

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Originally Posted by cyberbeing

If the 300.99 Kepler drivers are causing madVR a black screen, I'd suspect it would have something to do with the new VSync modes, Adaptive VSync, and other VSync enhancements in that driver.

I don't think so, it happens also with fully disabled vsync.
FXAA shouldn't be a problem neither, I suppose.
Nvidia is aware of the issue but it should be faster if madshi takes a look, I guess.

cyberbeing · 22nd March 2012, 12:48

I don't believe you can fully disable VSync with madVR, at least in Windowed mode. A couple ways I could see madVR producing a black screen is if NVIDIA changed how the default D3D buffer flipping (VSYNC) modes function, or flat-out broke refresh-rate/scan-line reading. Hopefully it's nothing more serious like broken texture uploading/downloading.

Even if NVIDIA is aware of the issue, they don't always have a quick turnaround releasing driver fixes. Has anybody tested 301.10 yet? Same issue?

Edit: I wonder is this even occurs with an actual GTX 680. Supposedly Adaptive VSync is only supposed to work with GTX 680, but people claimed to be using it with other cards. It's possible madVR not working is just a case of people incorrectly modifying the inf, and installing driver features which are unsupported by their hardware.

leeperry · 22nd March 2012, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Nevilne

madshi, would it be possible to separate start of file delay and seek delay option?

yes, I already asked for this...for the very same reasons as you ^^

mbordas · 22nd March 2012, 16:32

Can somebody do a little sanity check for me on this file:

https://rapidshare.com/files/2764315045/clip_0.wtv

It's a plain vanilla video recording, but regardless of whether I set deinterlacing: if in doubt activate, or automatic source detection: force film mode, I get the same result - it leaves the display in 60hz and leaves deinterlacing off. I can manually turn on deinterlacing or IVTC from the keyboard, but I can't tell if that results in a better picture. What's the preferred behavior in this case?

aufkrawall · 22nd March 2012, 17:35

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Originally Posted by cyberbeing

I don't believe you can fully disable VSync with madVR, at least in Windowed mode.

AFAIR it's possible via Nvidia driver.
Forced off means off, no matter what applications want.
Even in windowed mode.
With AMD forcing Vsync off doesn't work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberbeing

Even if NVIDIA is aware of the issue, they don't always have a quick turnaround releasing driver fixes. Has anybody tested 301.10 yet? Same issue?

That's why I said it'd be better if madshi took a look.
301.10 is affected too.

22nd March 2012, 04:18	#12833 \| Link
CruNcher Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,926	@madshi Seems Nvidia changed something very massively in the upcoming new 300 series Driver people report MadVr brakes entirely with a Black Screen http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=360359 Though i dunno if they might left FXAA enabled and that Shader interferes with MadVR instead of just blurring everything causing a black screen possible __________________ all my compares are riddles so please try to decipher them yourselves :) It is about Time Join the Revolution NOW before it is to Late ! http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=168004 Last edited by CruNcher; 22nd March 2012 at 04:23.

22nd March 2012, 05:53	#12834 \| Link
cyberbeing Broadband Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,859	If the 300.99 Kepler drivers are causing madVR a black screen, I'd suspect it would have something to do with the new VSync modes, Adaptive VSync, and other VSync enhancements in that driver. Edit: Looks like 301.10 Kepler drivers are out now as well. Last edited by cyberbeing; 22nd March 2012 at 11:59.

22nd March 2012, 07:26	#12835 \| Link
ryrynz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,650	Madshi, I caught a crash I believe to be MadVR related. It happened on initial playback in MPC. I just now had another MPC crash with an abnormal termination error window being displayed, the video and audio was still playing but the video output was playing back in slow stages as if the CPU was being stressed. I also get crashes when the next file is played in the folder which is most likely the same issue, using LAV with QuickSync and MPC build 4170. http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?o5o29wnxj329lc3 Edit The crash was most likely not MadVR related, I'm no longer having any issues. Last edited by ryrynz; 2nd April 2012 at 02:25.

22nd March 2012, 12:48	#12837 \| Link
cyberbeing Broadband Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,859	I don't believe you can fully disable VSync with madVR, at least in Windowed mode. A couple ways I could see madVR producing a black screen is if NVIDIA changed how the default D3D buffer flipping (VSYNC) modes function, or flat-out broke refresh-rate/scan-line reading. Hopefully it's nothing more serious like broken texture uploading/downloading. Even if NVIDIA is aware of the issue, they don't always have a quick turnaround releasing driver fixes. Has anybody tested 301.10 yet? Same issue? Edit: I wonder is this even occurs with an actual GTX 680. Supposedly Adaptive VSync is only supposed to work with GTX 680, but people claimed to be using it with other cards. It's possible madVR not working is just a case of people incorrectly modifying the inf, and installing driver features which are unsupported by their hardware. Last edited by cyberbeing; 22nd March 2012 at 14:35.

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20th March 2012, 01:23	#12823 \| Link
deado Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 32	That is a shame. I would happily donate like $20 to madshi if he could get it working

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mark0077 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,106	Hi, I got a hang just now seeking in a bdmv. mpc-hc was still responsive, audio continued for a few minutes in the background, just the image froze. Also double clicking on the mpc-hc window to resize to fullscreen, I can see the image doesn't fill the screen so madVR isn't completing the resize to the full width of the screen while in this state. http://pastebin.com/GTyQ9sAg I'm using mpc-hc 4164, madVR v0.82.5, LAV from here http://files.1f0.de/lavf/LAVFilters-...1-gd935c59.zip Apologies if it has nothing to with madVR.

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Nevilne Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 134	madshi, would it be possible to separate start of file delay and seek delay option?

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mbordas Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 65	Can somebody do a little sanity check for me on this file: https://rapidshare.com/files/2764315045/clip_0.wtv It's a plain vanilla video recording, but regardless of whether I set deinterlacing: if in doubt activate, or automatic source detection: force film mode, I get the same result - it leaves the display in 60hz and leaves deinterlacing off. I can manually turn on deinterlacing or IVTC from the keyboard, but I can't tell if that results in a better picture. What's the preferred behavior in this case?