Welcome to Doom9's Forum, THE in-place to be for everyone interested in DVD conversion. Before you start posting please read the forum rules. By posting to this forum you agree to abide by the rules. |
5th June 2006, 06:27 | #421 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ukraine.
Posts: 109
|
Quote:
Did you plan to include a direct command editor for sub commands in all DCSQTs? E.g. I want to remove "Stop" commands in some subtitles. |
|
5th June 2006, 06:32 | #422 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 2,079
|
Well, I didn't really plan on doing that, it could be quite tricky. In the meantime, you can delay the Stop command until the next SPU, which will achieve almost the same result as removing it. Simply change the duration of the subpic to its maximum value...
jeanl
__________________
A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob. |
5th June 2006, 07:04 | #423 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ukraine.
Posts: 109
|
Quote:
|
|
5th June 2006, 16:33 | #424 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 2,079
|
President, you can post a small snipped of your subs for us to look at. Save one of the streams as a .sup file and post that somewhere. I'll take a look at it. The stop command should not make it flash, there must be something else.
But you could also edit your VOB with VOBEdit yourself. You'd have to find the stop command (0x02 I think) and replace it with an "end of command" 0x0F I think, and see if that changes anything on that particular subtitle. A bit tedious, but OK for a test. jeanl
__________________
A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob. |
5th June 2006, 17:05 | #425 | Link | |
Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,530
|
Quote:
But I, too, would like to see what makes it flash, probably a mistake in the sequence of commands used for fade out. Most likely the last DCSQT contains only a stop command and no CHG_COLCON, so the subpicture reverts to its original set of colors and contrast established by SET_COLOR and SET_CONTR. The terminate command is 0xFF |
|
5th June 2006, 17:40 | #426 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Italy
Posts: 953
|
Quite inerestingly, I am facing almost the same type of troubles reported by President, about the "Stop" command...
The original sup file, with the fade in/fade out effects is this one [sorry, ~50MB]: http://rapidshare.de/files/22283396/...es_27.sup.html Well, trying to decompile the file in the sst format, both with VSRIP+VSCONV or with Subrip 1.50B3, in order to import it in Scenarist or in DVDPlanner, lead to a code similar to the following (21 pictures are sufficient to show the first subpicture effect): Code:
st_format 2 Display_Start non_forced TV_Type PAL Tape_Type NON_DROP Pixel_Area (0 572) Directory E:\tmp\out Subtitle out Display_Area (0 2 719 574) Contrast (15 15 15 0) PA (0 0 255 - - - ) E1 (255 0 0 - - - ) E2 (0 0 0 - - - ) BG (255 255 255 - - - ) SP_NUMBER START END FILE_NAME Color (7 6 4 4) Contrast (0 0 0 0) 0001 00:00:02:08 00:00:02:09 out_0001.bmp Contrast (1 2 1 0) 0002 00:00:02:10 00:00:02:11 out_0002.bmp Contrast (2 3 2 0) 0003 00:00:02:12 00:00:02:13 out_0003.bmp Contrast (3 5 3 0) 0004 00:00:02:14 00:00:02:15 out_0004.bmp Contrast (4 6 4 0) 0005 00:00:02:16 00:00:02:17 out_0005.bmp Contrast (5 8 5 0) 0006 00:00:02:18 00:00:02:19 out_0006.bmp Contrast (6 9 6 0) 0007 00:00:02:20 00:00:02:21 out_0007.bmp Contrast (7 11 7 0) 0008 00:00:02:22 00:00:02:23 out_0008.bmp Contrast (8 12 8 0) 0009 00:00:02:24 00:00:03:00 out_0009.bmp Contrast (9 14 9 0) 0010 00:00:03:01 00:00:03:02 out_0010.bmp Contrast (10 15 10 0) 0011 00:00:03:03 00:00:05:10 out_0011.bmp Contrast (9 14 9 0) 0012 00:00:05:11 00:00:05:12 out_0012.bmp Contrast (8 12 8 0) 0013 00:00:05:13 00:00:05:14 out_0013.bmp Contrast (7 11 7 0) 0014 00:00:05:15 00:00:05:16 out_0014.bmp Contrast (6 9 6 0) 0015 00:00:05:17 00:00:05:18 out_0015.bmp Contrast (5 8 5 0) 0016 00:00:05:19 00:00:05:20 out_0016.bmp Contrast (4 6 4 0) 0017 00:00:05:21 00:00:05:22 out_0017.bmp Contrast (3 5 3 0) 0018 00:00:05:23 00:00:05:24 out_0018.bmp Contrast (2 3 2 0) 0019 00:00:06:00 00:00:06:01 out_0019.bmp Contrast (1 2 1 0) 0020 00:00:06:02 00:00:06:03 out_0020.bmp Contrast (0 0 0 0) 0021 00:00:06:04 00:00:06:05 out_0021.bmp [img=http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/9531/image12gr.th.gif] Anyway the playback (just used a sw player for the moment...) is flashing... Edit: forgot to report that the reauthoring with the original sup asset, using MuxMan, leads to no problems...; also the sup file is one of the assets of "Spiderman", R2... Last edited by Sir Didymus; 5th June 2006 at 19:20. |
5th June 2006, 19:29 | #427 | Link |
Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,530
|
SD I think we're talking about two different problems here. I'm downloading the sup right now, but my guess is there are no stop commands and the sst file is wrong. The way it is written the subs should flash (on for one frame, off for one frame). Change the stop time to 00:00:00:00 and they will be compiled in either Scenarist or MuxMan (not sure about DVDPlanner on this) with no stop code.
But this is an ugly way to do a fade, only one bitmap is required with multiple DCSQT's using the CHG_COLCON command to change contrast - which, I believe, is the way Scenarist performs a fade if compiled as that effect. Note: sst does not support effects, only scp |
5th June 2006, 20:13 | #428 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Italy
Posts: 953
|
I see - and sorry for being OT...
Well, the point is that I did not find any means of translating the sup file into a working sst file because all of the available tools I tryed (subtitle format translators) are actually placing stop commands into the compiled output. I also already tryed your suggestion - to set the end time of each SPU to 00:00:00:00, but the stop command after each picture is still there... Anyway, the CHG_COLCON command is not used in the original asset (this is the reason the file is huge); I understand it is a bad practice of authoring, but it's here in the original asset, so it should be possible, with the same procedure, to "simulate" the fade effect using the sst format, right ? Last edited by Sir Didymus; 5th June 2006 at 20:22. |
5th June 2006, 20:55 | #432 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 2,079
|
Quote:
Jeanl
__________________
A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob. |
|
5th June 2006, 20:58 | #433 | Link |
Straight to video
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 637
|
.SST has a limited command set, so doing advanced DCSQT stuff really is a pain, since you're forced to work frame-by-frame.
DVDMaestro's .STL format is more comfortable to use, but I am unaware of any tool that would accurately translate your .SUP commands into $fade* and $wipe* .STL commands... |
5th June 2006, 21:00 | #434 | Link |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 2,079
|
If there's enough people interested, I could add a couple functions to DVDSubEdit (it's been asked before)
- Remove fade - Add fade As far as swipes, that might be a bit harder... jeanl
__________________
A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob. |
5th June 2006, 21:07 | #436 | Link | |
PgcEdit daemon
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 7,469
|
Quote:
__________________
r0lZ PgcEdit homepage (hosted by VideoHelp) BD3D2MK3D A tool to convert 3D blu-rays to SBS, T&B or FS MKV |
|
5th June 2006, 21:15 | #437 | Link |
Moderator
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,530
|
I didn't know that - good thing the rippers I use leave the files as read-only. (I just checked, and that is the reason none of my files get changed when I play with them in VobEdit)
@SD - the first sub in that sup file does not have a stop command (did not check any further) - so none of these programs can make a valid sst from subs without stop commands!? |
5th June 2006, 21:19 | #438 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 2,079
|
Quote:
jeanl
__________________
A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob. |
|
5th June 2006, 22:08 | #439 | Link | |
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: California, USA
Posts: 2,079
|
Quote:
jeanl
__________________
A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob. |
|
5th June 2006, 22:45 | #440 | Link |
Straight to video
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 637
|
I would use it for subtitling normal dialogue lines. If used with a light touch, i.e. 3-frame fadein + 5-frame fadeout, the effect looks professional and increases readability a little bit (IMHO). I do it in DVDMaestro now, but that authoring suite annoys me...mostly because I can't use my preferred workflow: SSA->MaestroSBT+VDub->MuxMan->DVDSubEdit.
It's definetely eye candy, but 99% of the DVDs I watch are subtitled, and I guess I've grown picky about things Last edited by kumi; 6th June 2006 at 20:36. Reason: mistyped "3-frame" as "3-ms" |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|