Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA! - Page 148

Emp3r0r · 2nd July 2008, 22:34

I have a feature request for UPnP playback support in MPC-HC. Here is a library that could potentially be used:

http://pupnp.sourceforge.net/

I believe we would need MediaController and MediaRenderer support to make this happen.

Jong · 2nd July 2008, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by s174955

HI MartinAF,
Seems like the same problem indeed.
Just watched another movie using direct3d, (thanks for the 's'-key tip for selecting subtitles!). It goes much better, but still I found artefacts were present, and after like 30 minutes the image freezed also.
I'm gonna give the Catalyst 8.7 beta a try,
but I'm afraid I will have to switch to Vista, like you also considered in the other thread.

Too bad, came from Vista and just managed get everyting working fine in XP (had some driver issues with XP).

UPDATE
Just tried Catalyst 8.7 beta, same problem

Maybe try an earlier Catalyst (after a clean uninstall of course). I am running 8.3 with a 3850 on XP and it is perfect in VMR9 renderless. Totally dependable. I use D3D normally, but apart from a bit of tearing and slightly less dependable frame rate it works fine without.

hwti · 2nd July 2008, 23:41

Hi,

I just got a Radeon HD4870, and I'm testing MPC-HC H264 DXVA decoding.

It works, but there is no DXVA deinterlacing (tried several 1080i samples). Is this normal ?

MPC-HC build 580
EVR renderer
Vista SP1
Catalyst 8.6 "hotfix"

STaRGaZeR · 3rd July 2008, 02:57

To the developers: ATI cards can decode WMVA video using DXVA just fine with the VC-1 bitstream decoder, it'd be nice to add support for this FourCC in future buids. Tested with a WMVA clip, forcing WVC1 FourCC when muxing into Matroska using mkvmerge 2.2.0

ranpha · 3rd July 2008, 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kado

@Ranpha, Jong, Miryan

Here's how it looks on my system:
Shader On
Shader Off

With shader on it looks just like your single expansion picture and with shader off it gets washed out.

Vista sp1 x86, 9800gtx 177.39, evr cp, mpc hc rev622 using dxva.

AFAIK, Nyoron-sub EVA movie has SD resolution. Did you get the same result if you play the exact same file in HD resolution, like I did?

Quote:

Originally Posted by hwti

Hi,

I just got a Radeon HD4870, and I'm testing MPC-HC H264 DXVA decoding.

It works, but there is no DXVA deinterlacing (tried several 1080i samples). Is this normal ?

MPC-HC build 580
EVR renderer
Vista SP1
Catalyst 8.6 "hotfix"

The hardware post-processing does not seem to work with HD files. It only works with SD videos like TV rips or DVD source.

ohropax · 3rd July 2008, 11:14

Minor feature request:

When VMR9 renderless with 'remove-tearing' option is selected, the user can no longer switch from fullscreen to regular display mode. Could this be changed please?

I am asking because this combination is the _only_ output configuration that gives me all of the following features at the same time:

1. bicubic scaling
2. 16-235->0-255 color correction
3. no tearing
4. DVXA

Minor bug? report:

When VMR9 renderless with 'remove-tearing' option is selected, some keys do not work as expected. For example when typing CTRL+P the key seems to be interpreted twice, because i can not see any shader changes and the OSD displays flashes for both states (1 frame duration). Similar thing happens when iterating throug the individual frames of a video using LEFT and RIGHT keys, because in one direction the position is advanced for two frames (IOW: you have to press the opposite direction key double as often in order to come back to the original position)

Best regards,
Marcus

BTW: XP SP3 with an NVidia GF8 GPU, recent drivers, recent mpc-hc revision

ikarad · 3rd July 2008, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casimir666

Blu ray sub are demuxed, but not decode my mpc yet.

thank you.

Now, I expect a new version with HD subtitles support added.

Kado · 3rd July 2008, 13:50

@ranpha

Shader ON (720p)
Shader Off (720p)

@hwti
Use this tool and post your hardware capabilities please.

ranpha · 3rd July 2008, 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kado

@ranpha

Shader ON (720p)
Shader Off (720p)

@hwti
Use this tool and post your hardware capabilities please.

So, nVidia cards never auto-expand, which is better than ATI. If only there are ways to disable the auto expand feature in CCC, it would be good.

Do you use DVI or HDMI for your display?

Jong · 3rd July 2008, 15:03

I have discovered a significant error in VMR9 rendering which probably is specific to ATI.

I need to use VMR Mixer mode as without it my Blu-ray/HD-DVD sourced mkvs are rendered as 1920x1088 instead of 1920x1080 (see previous page for bug report).

I have discovered that with VMR Mixer Mode on expansion is not quite done correctly either with HD or SD. "Video Black", luma 16, is mapped to RGB "1" instead of "0". With VMR Mixer mode off it is correctly set to RGB "0".

Here are two screen grabs from the DVE pluge that illustrate the problem:

No VMR Mixer
VMR Mixer on

You will probably need to take them into Photoshop or equivalent to see the difference, but it is there. In the version with VMR Mixer there is even the remnant of the BTB line. BTB is mapped to RGB "0" whilst video black is mapped to "1".

It is clearly visible on a well calibrated HDTV. Video black stands out against true black of the display.

This bug does not affect PowerDVD or Theatertek. Of course they may not be using VMR Mixer Mode at all. However Theatertek does NOT have the MPC-HC 1920x1088 bug and it does not have this expansion bug, so they are doing something right!

Since expansion is driver dependant we could think this is a Catalyst problem, but since it affects only MPC-HC and only in mixer mode I think MPC-HC has something to do with it. Either it should be possible to fix MPC-HC's mixer mode to avoid this problem or if mixer mode is broken somehow in the driver (and, presumably, other apps do not use it) it should be possible to change MPC-HC so mixer mode is not necessary to display 1920x1088 encoded video correctly @1920x1080, as is possible in other players.

gngn · 3rd July 2008, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranpha

So, nVidia cards never auto-expand, which is better than ATI. If only there are ways to disable the auto expand feature in CCC, it would be good.

with nvidia cards the "16-235->0-255" shader must be used with VMR9 renderless on SD and HD material. i get the same result as you with double expansion on ATI if i combine 2 "16-235->0-255" shaders:

with just 1 shader:

with 2 "16-235->0-255" shaders combined:

Kado · 3rd July 2008, 18:03

@ranpha
I use DVI, 1680x1050@60hz.

@gngn
The shader must also be used with evr for vista rtm and with evr custom presenter on vista sp1.

@ohropax

Quote:

When VMR9 renderless with 'remove-tearing' option is selected, the user can no longer switch from fullscreen to regular display mode. Could this be changed please?

It cannot be changed because that option puts the renderer in exclusive mode making the video always fullscreen and always on top. Use CTRL+C to close the video and change the settings.

Jong · 3rd July 2008, 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jong

.....I have discovered that with VMR Mixer Mode on expansion is not quite done correctly either with HD or SD. "Video Black", luma 16, is mapped to RGB "1" instead of "0". With VMR Mixer mode off it is correctly set to RGB "0".

I have found a workaround for the workaround!

If you turn on YUV Mixing as well as the VMR Mixer the levels are correct.

raynor · 3rd July 2008, 20:33

Any chance of making the OSD more configurable in the future ?

I'm thinking about ...

- selecting the font size (right now the OSD is too small to read
for me from a distance)

- selecting the OSD color (font and background)

- selecting the OSD position

- maybe making it transparent (i.e. no blue background like it
is now now, but just displaying the font - similar to the OSDs
on most TVs)

Another thing:

Maybe there should be a README file included in the distribution
that points to the download location of the DirectX Rediustributable Update
(which is required for the shaders to work) ... because there are many questions
in this thread about why the shaders are not working. This would help new users.

Also, workarounds for known problems could be included
in that readme file such as that if your colors are "washed out"
with VMR9 and EVR you should use the 16-235->0-255 shader,
etc.

What do you think ?

ohropax · 3rd July 2008, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kado

It cannot be changed because that option puts the renderer in exclusive mode making the video always fullscreen and always on top. Use CTRL+C to close the video and change the settings.

@kado

That is what i guessed, so my simple proposal is to reopen the renderer (or even the complete decoding chain) when switching to fullscreen or back.

Or do you have suggestion for a renderer configuration that fulfills the previously mentioned constrains?

hwti · 3rd July 2008, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kado

@ranpha

Shader ON (720p)
Shader Off (720p)

@hwti
Use this tool and post your hardware capabilities please.

Code:

Decoder device:
 ModeMPEG2_IDCT: DXVA2, NV12, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
 ModeMPEG2_A: DXVA1, NV12, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
 ModeMPEG2_C: DXVA1, NV12, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
 ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT: DXVA2, NV12, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
 ModeVC1_VLD: DXVA1/2, NV12, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
 5B23D46D-FA5F-4FDC-B78A-7EB2787942EC: DXVA2, NV12, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080

Processor device:
ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
 [YUY2]
  AdaptiveDevice: DXVA2, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 1
   DeinterlaceTechnology: PixelAdaptive
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended / Constriction
   NoiseFilterTechnology: Unsupported
   DetailFilterTechnology: Unsupported

  BobDevice: DXVA1/2, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 0
   DeinterlaceTechnology: BOBVerticalStretch
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended / Constriction
   NoiseFilterTechnology: Unsupported
   DetailFilterTechnology: Unsupported

  ProgressiveDevice: DXVA1/2, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 0
   DeinterlaceTechnology: Unknown
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended / Constriction
   NoiseFilterTechnology: Unsupported
   DetailFilterTechnology: Unsupported

  SoftwareDevice: DXVA2, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: SoftwareDevice
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 0
   DeinterlaceTechnology: BOBVerticalStretch
   ProcAmpControlCaps: None
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended / PlanarAlpha
   NoiseFilterTechnology: Unsupported
   DetailFilterTechnology: Unsupported

 [UYVY]
  BobDevice: DXVA1/2, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 0
   DeinterlaceTechnology: BOBVerticalStretch
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended / Constriction
   NoiseFilterTechnology: Unsupported
   DetailFilterTechnology: Unsupported

  ProgressiveDevice: DXVA1/2, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 0
   DeinterlaceTechnology: Unknown
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended / Constriction
   NoiseFilterTechnology: Unsupported
   DetailFilterTechnology: Unsupported

 [NV12]
  VectorAdaptiveDevice: DXVA1, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice / EmulatedDXVA2
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 2
   DeinterlaceTechnology: PixelAdaptive
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended

  MotionAdaptiveDevice: DXVA1, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice / EmulatedDXVA2
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 2
   DeinterlaceTechnology: PixelAdaptive
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended

  AdaptiveDevice: DXVA1, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice / EmulatedDXVA2
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 1
   DeinterlaceTechnology: PixelAdaptive
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended

  BobDevice: DXVA1/2, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 0
   DeinterlaceTechnology: BOBVerticalStretch
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended / Constriction
   NoiseFilterTechnology: Unsupported
   DetailFilterTechnology: Unsupported

  ProgressiveDevice: DXVA1/2, 720x480 / 1280x720 / 1920x1080
   DeviceCaps: HardwareDevice
   NumForwardRefSamples: 0
   NumBackwardRefSamples: 0
   DeinterlaceTechnology: Unknown
   ProcAmpControlCaps: Brightness / Contrast / Hue / Saturation
   VideoProcessorOperations: YUV2RGB / StretchX / StretchY / SubRects / SubStreams / SubStreamsExtended / YUV2RGBExtended / Constriction
   NoiseFilterTechnology: Unsupported
   DetailFilterTechnology: Unsupported

It is strange that I have more choice in DXVA1 than DXVA2 (VectorAdaptiveDevice, PixelAdaptiveDevice)

hwti · 3rd July 2008, 21:35

Another thing : with ATI MPEG decoder for MPEG2 (seems to be DXVA1 only) :
- EVR custom renderer crashes
- VMR9 custom renderer shows no picture (zoom is grayed in menu), but statistics tells frames are "drawn"

ericab · 3rd July 2008, 22:57

hwti

use the code box man

[-aRcTiC-] · 3rd July 2008, 23:18

Kinda new to this and i need help.

3850 agp
amd x2 4200+
catalyst 8.6 agp hotfix
MPC-HC v604

In Vista 32bit DXVA works on both vc1 and h264 videos (720p&1080P) Heres dxvachecker..

But in XP 64bit it doesnt work and dxvachecker doesnt even list h264 or vc1 decoder devices.

Is it drivers or is there something missing, what gives?

GTPVHD · 4th July 2008, 06:28

WMV9 DXVA decoder seems to be broken with recent releases also on Nvidia 8/9 series cards at least on XP SP3 with WMP11 installed for the latest codecs. Nvidia 8/9 series exposes ModeWMV9_IDCT which can be confirmed using DXVACheker 1.6. Previously, WMV9 files show DXVA: WMV9 IDCT in use when using CTRL+J, with the recent builds including 629 it now shows DXVA: Not using DXVA. It's only partial acceleration and I understand it's not suppose to work at all on non bitstream processing(VLD) hardware but it did work on the 58x builds before the 586/587.

This is the file I used to test. 1080p WMV9.

http://us.download.nvidia.com/downlo...deo_SDvsHD.wmv

2nd July 2008, 22:34	#2941 \| Link
Emp3r0r Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Alabama, USA Posts: 769	UPnP MediaRenderer Support Request I have a feature request for UPnP playback support in MPC-HC. Here is a library that could potentially be used: http://pupnp.sourceforge.net/ I believe we would need MediaController and MediaRenderer support to make this happen. __________________ ChapterGrabber - add names to your chapters \| AtomSite - open source AtomPub server

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ohropax Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 16	Minor feature request: When VMR9 renderless with 'remove-tearing' option is selected, the user can no longer switch from fullscreen to regular display mode. Could this be changed please? I am asking because this combination is the _only_ output configuration that gives me all of the following features at the same time: 1. bicubic scaling 2. 16-235->0-255 color correction 3. no tearing 4. DVXA Minor bug? report: When VMR9 renderless with 'remove-tearing' option is selected, some keys do not work as expected. For example when typing CTRL+P the key seems to be interpreted twice, because i can not see any shader changes and the OSD displays flashes for both states (1 frame duration). Similar thing happens when iterating throug the individual frames of a video using LEFT and RIGHT keys, because in one direction the position is advanced for two frames (IOW: you have to press the opposite direction key double as often in order to come back to the original position) Best regards, Marcus BTW: XP SP3 with an NVidia GF8 GPU, recent drivers, recent mpc-hc revision Last edited by ohropax; 3rd July 2008 at 11:17. Reason: added system stats

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Kado Otaku Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 576	@ranpha Shader ON (720p) Shader Off (720p) @hwti Use this tool and post your hardware capabilities please. __________________ In the school, the three guys met. Their relation had been changed in the season, and turned into three love stories. System Specs Last edited by Kado; 3rd July 2008 at 13:54.

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Jong Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 576	I have discovered a significant error in VMR9 rendering which probably is specific to ATI. I need to use VMR Mixer mode as without it my Blu-ray/HD-DVD sourced mkvs are rendered as 1920x1088 instead of 1920x1080 (see previous page for bug report). I have discovered that with VMR Mixer Mode on expansion is not quite done correctly either with HD or SD. "Video Black", luma 16, is mapped to RGB "1" instead of "0". With VMR Mixer mode off it is correctly set to RGB "0". Here are two screen grabs from the DVE pluge that illustrate the problem: No VMR Mixer VMR Mixer on You will probably need to take them into Photoshop or equivalent to see the difference, but it is there. In the version with VMR Mixer there is even the remnant of the BTB line. BTB is mapped to RGB "0" whilst video black is mapped to "1". It is clearly visible on a well calibrated HDTV. Video black stands out against true black of the display. This bug does not affect PowerDVD or Theatertek. Of course they may not be using VMR Mixer Mode at all. However Theatertek does NOT have the MPC-HC 1920x1088 bug and it does not have this expansion bug, so they are doing something right! Since expansion is driver dependant we could think this is a Catalyst problem, but since it affects only MPC-HC and only in mixer mode I think MPC-HC has something to do with it. Either it should be possible to fix MPC-HC's mixer mode to avoid this problem or if mixer mode is broken somehow in the driver (and, presumably, other apps do not use it) it should be possible to change MPC-HC so mixer mode is not necessary to display 1920x1088 encoded video correctly @1920x1080, as is possible in other players. Last edited by Jong; 3rd July 2008 at 19:03.

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raynor Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 42	Make OSD configurable Any chance of making the OSD more configurable in the future ? I'm thinking about ... - selecting the font size (right now the OSD is too small to read for me from a distance) - selecting the OSD color (font and background) - selecting the OSD position - maybe making it transparent (i.e. no blue background like it is now now, but just displaying the font - similar to the OSDs on most TVs) Another thing: Maybe there should be a README file included in the distribution that points to the download location of the DirectX Rediustributable Update (which is required for the shaders to work) ... because there are many questions in this thread about why the shaders are not working. This would help new users. Also, workarounds for known problems could be included in that readme file such as that if your colors are "washed out" with VMR9 and EVR you should use the 16-235->0-255 shader, etc. What do you think ?

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hwti Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30	Hi, I just got a Radeon HD4870, and I'm testing MPC-HC H264 DXVA decoding. It works, but there is no DXVA deinterlacing (tried several 1080i samples). Is this normal ? MPC-HC build 580 EVR renderer Vista SP1 Catalyst 8.6 "hotfix"

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STaRGaZeR 4:2:0 hater Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,302	To the developers: ATI cards can decode WMVA video using DXVA just fine with the VC-1 bitstream decoder, it'd be nice to add support for this FourCC in future buids. Tested with a WMVA clip, forcing WVC1 FourCC when muxing into Matroska using mkvmerge 2.2.0

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hwti Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30	Another thing : with ATI MPEG decoder for MPEG2 (seems to be DXVA1 only) : - EVR custom renderer crashes - VMR9 custom renderer shows no picture (zoom is grayed in menu), but statistics tells frames are "drawn"

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ericab Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 86	hwti use the code box man

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[-aRcTiC-] Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2	Kinda new to this and i need help. 3850 agp amd x2 4200+ catalyst 8.6 agp hotfix MPC-HC v604 In Vista 32bit DXVA works on both vc1 and h264 videos (720p&1080P) Heres dxvachecker.. But in XP 64bit it doesnt work and dxvachecker doesnt even list h264 or vc1 decoder devices. Is it drivers or is there something missing, what gives?

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GTPVHD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 175	WMV9 DXVA decoder seems to be broken with recent releases also on Nvidia 8/9 series cards at least on XP SP3 with WMP11 installed for the latest codecs. Nvidia 8/9 series exposes ModeWMV9_IDCT which can be confirmed using DXVACheker 1.6. Previously, WMV9 files show DXVA: WMV9 IDCT in use when using CTRL+J, with the recent builds including 629 it now shows DXVA: Not using DXVA. It's only partial acceleration and I understand it's not suppose to work at all on non bitstream processing(VLD) hardware but it did work on the 58x builds before the 586/587. This is the file I used to test. 1080p WMV9. http://us.download.nvidia.com/downlo...deo_SDvsHD.wmv