BDMV Debugger Congratulations (split from BD+ handling thread)

arnezami · 1st November 2008, 19:41

Just wanted to congratulate all you guys and especially Oopho2ei

I know how hard it can be and this is great work!

1st November 2008, 21:03

Thanks. Over 1300 guests are currently viewing this forum. I better make a backup of our repository...

I would like to stress again that this project wasn't intended to circumvent copy protection and promote piracy. This can already be done using commercial software like AnyDVD-HD. Instead this project was an attempt to enable users of open source operating systems (like linux) to playback their BD+ protected discs without having to use proprietary software. Furthermore only two movies "I Robot" and "The Day After Tomorrow" have been proven to be handled correctly so far. Obviously there is still a lot of debugging to be done.

Thanks to all the people who have contributed.

Blue_MiSfit · 2nd November 2008, 02:43

Grats guys!!!

~MiSfit

NSI · 2nd November 2008, 03:41

Just finished reading these 17 pages. Great story, had me on the edge of my seat waiting to see what happened next. Hollywood should be worried.

I especially liked the foreshadowing by Slysoft in the beginning. I can't help but think that if the BD+ code wasn't so paranoid about checking the VM, and instead just built the table and was done with it, this project would have been a lot more difficult. Plus, there would have been more avenues to defeat unlicensed players in the future. Doesn't really matter because as everyone here knows DRM is defective by design.

Great work everyone!

MoFoQ · 2nd November 2008, 09:17

congrats indeed.

I'll drink to it and future success (and irony).

scubascythan · 2nd November 2008, 09:27

Congratz. You've been slashed.

Inventive Software · 2nd November 2008, 13:39

Nice going people! Congratulations on an outstanding effort! Open-source too!

LoRd_MuldeR · 2nd November 2008, 15:40

Heise.de has just released a news article about your success

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Foren...meldung/118285

2nd November 2008, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoRd_MuldeR

Heise.de has just released a news article about your success

I honestly can't understand why this project is getting so much attention. There are commercial tools like AnyDVD-HD which can do much better and are easier to use. Furthermore without the help of dozens of other people (who would like to stay anonymous) this project would haven't succeeded. We didn't get any help from SlySoft and the code doesn't run on a java virtual machine. It runs on an emulator implemented in java. The author who wrote the article seems to have no idea or i didn't translate it correctly. Also they seem to have missed to cover the latest leak of MKBv4 and MKBv7 processing keys. The current development is not believable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doom9

@Oopho2ei: the jar file is so large because it contains the bouncycastle lib.. it's packed into the jar file. Something must've gone wrong during the build mechanism. And if you distribute the lib with the software you might want to build so that the lib in the dist directory is automatically taken into account (like Netbeans does).

Thanks. I have rewritten the build.xml (according to the one used in JonDos Public Repository) and it seems to work now. I am currently doing some source code improvements.

LoRd_MuldeR · 2nd November 2008, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oopho2ei

I honestly can't understand why this project is getting so much attention.

...because the industry put so much efforts into making BD+ "unbreakbale" and now your little Projects proves how vulnerable it is

Even HD-DVD had to die, because BR was believed to be "safer" thanks to BD+ protection. So a lot of money and prestige is involved here!

2nd November 2008, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoRd_MuldeR

...because the industry put so much efforts into making BD+ "unbreakbale" and now your little Projects proves how vulnerable it is

I can't agree. We probably had twice as many people working on this than Slysoft when they "broke" BD+. Furthermore it doesn't say anything about the security of BD+ instead it shows how weak the protection of current BD+ capable players is. I would like to name the latest leak of the MKBv4 and MKBv7 processing keys again at this point. I believe it is impossible to create a secure DRM system if an opponent has the ability to mount a whitebox attack on a working (licensed) player. Let me add that i compared two versions of my player firmware and the latest version was without any doubt weaker compared with the one released a couple of months earlier. .oO(The Matrix has you...)Oo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoRd_MuldeR

Even HD-DVD had to die, because BR was believed to be "safer" thanks to BD+ protection. So a lot of money and prestige is involved here!

As above. Finally decrypting and repairing a BD+/AACS protected discs happens on daily bases with AnyDVD-HD.

Edit: We shouldn't spam the thread with this. Nobody can convince me anyway. This thread is probably very valuable as it shows an attack scenario which has to be prevented in the future if DRM wants to succeed over BlueRay content.

Doom9 · 2nd November 2008, 17:36

In order not to spam the very technical thread I've created this separate thread and will move o/t posts from the technical thread here.

Adub · 2nd November 2008, 20:24

Well then Congratulations!! I had no idea that this project was even going on (I rarely visit the decryption section) and here I wake up to find that the open source community has done it again! Well done mate, well done.

sl1pkn07 · 2nd November 2008, 20:31

thanks!!!

OWNED slysoft!!!!

Orion17 · 2nd November 2008, 22:14

Congrats Guys. I watched this post since you guys first started this project and it was very interesting to see the steps taken to get the end result. Your work is much appreciated.

2nd November 2008, 22:48

Due to the unexpected widespread media attention i am concerned about my personal safety. I think you guys can now continue this project without me. I won't use this account anymore and i have other things to do now anyway. Maybe i will join later again with a different nickname but i doubt it.

Good luck and keep up the good work.

dirio49 · 2nd November 2008, 22:56

You will me missed.
Thanks for you contributions.

sl1pkn07 · 2nd November 2008, 23:31

thanks for al

microchip8 · 2nd November 2008, 23:44

A big thanks for me too, especially for not forgetting the Linux folks

patul · 3rd November 2008, 03:36

@Oopho2ei, Schluppo:
Thanks for your hard work.. You guys will be missed. Hope to see you around in this forum again very soon..

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arnezami Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 390	BDMV Debugger Congratulations (split from BD+ handling thread) Just wanted to congratulate all you guys and especially Oopho2ei I know how hard it can be and this is great work!

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Oopho2ei Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks. Over 1300 guests are currently viewing this forum. I better make a backup of our repository... I would like to stress again that this project wasn't intended to circumvent copy protection and promote piracy. This can already be done using commercial software like AnyDVD-HD. Instead this project was an attempt to enable users of open source operating systems (like linux) to playback their BD+ protected discs without having to use proprietary software. Furthermore only two movies "I Robot" and "The Day After Tomorrow" have been proven to be handled correctly so far. Obviously there is still a lot of debugging to be done. Thanks to all the people who have contributed. Last edited by Oopho2ei; 1st November 2008 at 21:32.

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NSI Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	Just finished reading these 17 pages. Great story, had me on the edge of my seat waiting to see what happened next. Hollywood should be worried. I especially liked the foreshadowing by Slysoft in the beginning. I can't help but think that if the BD+ code wasn't so paranoid about checking the VM, and instead just built the table and was done with it, this project would have been a lot more difficult. Plus, there would have been more avenues to defeat unlicensed players in the future. Doesn't really matter because as everyone here knows DRM is defective by design. Great work everyone!

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MoFoQ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 68	congrats indeed. I'll drink to it and future success (and irony).

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Adub Fighting spam with a fish Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,699	Well then Congratulations!! I had no idea that this project was even going on (I rarely visit the decryption section) and here I wake up to find that the open source community has done it again! Well done mate, well done. __________________ FAQs:Bond's AVC/H.264 FAQ Site:Adubvideo

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sl1pkn07 Pajas Mentales... Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Spanishtán Posts: 496	thanks!!! OWNED slysoft!!!!

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Orion17 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 17	Congrats Guys. I watched this post since you guys first started this project and it was very interesting to see the steps taken to get the end result. Your work is much appreciated.

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Oopho2ei Guest Posts: n/a	Due to the unexpected widespread media attention i am concerned about my personal safety. I think you guys can now continue this project without me. I won't use this account anymore and i have other things to do now anyway. Maybe i will join later again with a different nickname but i doubt it. Good luck and keep up the good work.

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sl1pkn07 Pajas Mentales... Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Spanishtán Posts: 496	thanks for al

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patul Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 130	@Oopho2ei, Schluppo: Thanks for your hard work.. You guys will be missed. Hope to see you around in this forum again very soon..