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Old 9th November 2016, 04:09   #21161  |  Link
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No he's not he got some strong points but it's up to nevcairiel decision how he want's to buildup lav filters no one else and he made his point clear if someone doesn't like it fork it and buildup your own.
If he says he doesn't like such workarounds for something which in his idea makes no sense if you display 10 bit at 8 bit needing to deband again just to make it possible for a non complete 10 bit chain (including) output to display it, then that is his decision and you have to accept it.
This decision lefts out some users of course (like VictorLS) but the idea behind 10 bit is to display it in a complete Native 10 bit chain end to end and not 8 bit even if that workaround is possible via CUVID.

And costs for that have gone down a lot as 10 bit devices become more widespread now.

Vista (Longhorn) was Designed with 10 bit in mind on the GFX side XP (Whistler) not in 1 second.

On XP overall you will be limited to 8 bit and most obviously you wont be able to play any premium content.

and on Vista and Up it works but you still need workarounds on the driver side especially for HDR.


You get even 12 bit playback for roughly 80$ nowadays
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Old 9th November 2016, 07:48   #21162  |  Link
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Also remember since you pay or paid nothing for lav filters you have no right to ask or get any anything from nevcariel.
Just read last two strings of my post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...23#post1784923 and take it easy.
Besides I even agree some pay for LAV CUVID Decoder with h265 10bit decoding because I will not buy new OS from Microsoft
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Thanks for explaination position of nevcairiel more clearly for others. I wrote here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...04#post1784804 "nevcairiel is perfectionist - maximum quality despite of artifacts and so on..." and "I think nevcairiel not implement h265 10bit support in CUVID because of noone bit could not be lost" and I was right.
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You get even 12 bit playback for roughly 80$ nowadays
Are you about some cheap GTX1050? It is quite new for me but while SAT channels are maximum h265 10bit this is not worry me much.
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Old 9th November 2016, 11:51   #21163  |  Link
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Is DXVA2 hardware decoding supported on Windows XP? I can't get it enabled playing the BDRemux:
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LAV 0.68.1.35, Radeon driver v14.4, HD7850. Driver is reinstalled after DDU clean up. Tried on a clean Windows XP installation, too, with no luck.
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Old 9th November 2016, 12:57   #21164  |  Link
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Windows XP doesn't support DXVA2.(*)


(*) Some people claimed success after installing .NET but it may be driver depended and is unlikely to work with LAV Video Decoder. I recommend not to waste time on it.
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Old 9th November 2016, 13:00   #21165  |  Link
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DXVA2 decoding isn't supported on XP. but there were still some case it worked with a video renderer that supports DXVA and some very old driver and other stuff (dotnet 3.5).

it was working for me for a long time a long time ago with pretty old hardware.
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Old 9th November 2016, 14:20   #21166  |  Link
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Is DXVA2 hardware decoding supported on Windows XP?
As other guys said - not supported. Long time ago I have extracted EVR from .NET3.5 (I don't like .NET at all too) and it worked not bad (I prefer VMR7w) in WinXP but why don't you use any DXVA1 decoder for h264 high L4.1, yuv420p, 1920x1080? I.e. Arcsoft or Cyberlink? Or free standalone_filters-mpc-be? They play FullHD h264 4:2:0 even 60Hz (and even with REF 16 - I tried with nVIDIA GT220 videocard) perfectly with hardware acceleration in WinXP.

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Old 9th November 2016, 16:30   #21167  |  Link
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This is against nevcairiel's philosophy (
And yet despite being told 'no' over and over again you still bring it up. Just drop it.
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Old 10th November 2016, 09:07   #21168  |  Link
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As minimum while in LAV Video Decoder there isn't option to disable HQ DXVA Processing when NVIDIA CUVID is active I will tell to all people who see artifacts there is good free LAV CUVID Decoder (with choice to uncheck HQ DXVA Processing) instead (or commercial CoreAVC) and only ban can stop me because supported decoder with supported OSes must first of all (in my philosophy) just work (when it is possible at all but with CUVID hardware acceleration of h264 4:2:0 without artifacts on nVIDIA's videoadapters in Win7-8 is possible and I really don't understand why nevcairiel give not same choice in LAV Video Decoder).
PS. Problem with artifacts quiet global: even in WinXP with DXVA1 I see same artifacts with many DXVA decoders - only CUVID helps. Thanks to nevcairiel.

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Old 10th November 2016, 11:15   #21169  |  Link
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I really don't understand why nevcairiel give not same choice in LAV Video Decoder).
Oh, but you actually understand. You just do not accept nev's decision, and you SHOULD.

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You just do not accept nev's decision
Show me link where nevcairiel say no about DXVA processing which cause artifacts even when CUVID hardware acceleration is selected in supported Win7-8.
I am not ask automatic switch between CUVID and DXVA2 already - just possibility to turn off HQ DXVA processing in LAV Video Decoder's interface (as in LAV CUVID Decoder done). Or philosophy of nevcairiel has changed in last few years?
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Repeat, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...78#post1785378 : I do not owe anything to anyone.
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Unfortunately, I am not a moderator.
Fortunately, you are not a moderator as minimum for all people with old weak computers with nVIDIA videocards (usually SAT-amateurs with DVB cards as me) who receive channels with artifacts and use LAV Video Decoder. While right I have one more hope unreal assumption: nevcairiel decided (or somebody paid him) to real support Win10 (which not support CUVID at all) only so drop real support of Win7-8. So he has written on this page: "I'm more likely to drop it entirely". Repeat, hope for all those people I'm wrong in my assumption.

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I really don't understand why nevcairiel give not same choice in LAV Video Decoder).
Because he doesn't want to implement hacky workarounds. If you want the feature, fork the code and implement it yourself or pay someone to do so. Otherwise, again, all you're doing is thread shitting when you've repeatedly been told no.
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Guys, just let it rest. The best way to stop these fruitless discussions is to not fuel them with further posts.
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Old 10th November 2016, 20:16   #21173  |  Link
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You are right. All I ask now - only one working check (as in LAV CUVID Decoder to maintain continuity: Use HQ DXVA Processing or other as nevcairiel come up) imho there is space over LAV Video Decoder 0.xy.z in its settings and this is not "hacky workarounds". If not so, for example, Enable Adaptive HW Deinterlacing is "hacky workarounds" too but it is in LAV Video Decoder's settings.

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I have said this before, but you like to ignore people. If you run the player in XP compatibility mode (on Windows 7), then HQ processing should get disabled automatically because LAV is tricked into thinking you are using XP. It should have no other negative effect.
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You are right. All I ask now - only one working check (as in LAV CUVID Decoder to maintain continuity: Use HQ DXVA Processing or other as nevcairiel come up) imho there is space over LAV Video Decoder 0.xy.z in its settings and this is not "hacky workarounds". If not so, for example, Enable Adaptive HW Deinterlacing is "hacky workarounds" too but it is in LAV Video Decoder's settings.
And he said 'no'. Does the word 'no' somehow have a different meaning to you than to other people?
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Why do not you hear smart madshi http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...10#post1785510 ?
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I have said this before, but you like to ignore people.
I almost never ignore smart enough people and of course I answered you here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...54#post1784954
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And he said 'no'
Repeat, Show me link where nevcairiel say no ...
Full text read here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...93#post1785493
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Why don't you listen to him yourself ?

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Repeat, Show me link where nevcairiel say no ...
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Please just drop this topic, its not going to get you any further. CUVID is hanging on by a thread as it is, I'm more likely to drop it entirely then to spend more time arguing about it.
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You are not hear madshi first, more you don't understand what talking about. Read http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...11#post1785311 : I almost forget about 1 (you quoted) and talking about 2 - DXVA Processing causing artifacts ...
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Old 11th November 2016, 19:09   #21179  |  Link
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Hi

I'm using MPC-BE and Madvr, and trying to add Lav Filters.
I've three questions for you:

1- I deselected all internal filters (decoder audio and video ones, i've to deselect all in first tab "Source Filters" too?)

2- Atm, i've enabled this external filters: xysubfilter, lav audio, lav video, lav splitter, lav splitter source. I've to use the last two togheter? What's the difference between them?

3- I edited only lav video setting, selected DXVA2 (copy-back). It's ok for my gpu? it's in the signature. Don't know, it says 'OK' next to it, so yes maybe?
I've to edit other filters too or they're ok with their default settings?

Thank for the answers, i'm trying to learn
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Old 11th November 2016, 19:43   #21180  |  Link
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you should select the subtitle filter of your choice under mpc-be-> options -> subtitles.

1. there is no need to disable anything if you set the external filter as preferred.

3. should be fine.
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