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WMV9 AP Information Discussion
"Keep in mind that WMP11 updates both Main Profile (WMV3) and Advanced Profile (WVC1) encoders, so for true evidence of improvement you should be comparing them to the old WMP9 or WMP10 versions of WMV3."
I selected the Windows Media Video 9 codec in Nic's WM Encoder. And I was using CBR encoding. Perhaps that is the reason...but shouldn't there be an improvement regardless? And my testing methodology was simple. Take a clip, encode it in WMV 9 AP. Then Encode it in WMV 9 (those were the names of the "profiles"). Watch each, see which one looks better. I also compared it to an xvid and x264 and nd avc encode of it. The latter three were better (by a large margin) than both WMV 9 AP and normal... |
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See if you can find an old video encoded with the old WMV9 codec. Encode the same source with the WMP11 codecs and see if you can spot the difference. Quote:
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Will there be a CLI encoder?
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The WMP11 beta is out... http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...1/default.aspx
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I's there any GUI that whuld allow me to play with those advanced encoder settings? Editing registry like outlined here is not the most user friendly way.
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"See if you can find an old video encoded with the old WMV9 codec. Encode the same source with the WMP11 codecs and see if you can spot the difference."
I have a clip. I compared it. There was almost no difference or improvement. I heard that the official beta has improvement over the leaked one. I'm testing that as we speak. And yes, AVC encodes were done with default settings. Even an AVC encode with a bitrate 500 lower looked better. Now that's saying something. |
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A command-line encoding app should be easy to implement. Just look at Nic's encoder implementation. It's pretty much based entirely on the CUncompAVIToWMV sample from the SDK. |
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http://microsoftuse.temp.powweb.com/...3beta1-bin.zip You need .NET 2.0. Open the EXE, go to WMVA Profile Editor and you are good to go from there. @zambelli, I was wondering why you call "WMV9 Advanced Profile (WVC1) video codec BETA" in the first post. Isn't WVC1 finalized yet? or are you just calling it beta because WMP11 is beta? Last edited by McoreD; 18th May 2006 at 03:09. |
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Am I right to assume that WMP won't install the automation interfaces so I better wait until updated interfaces are released with the encoder before I consider starting to code.
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Ok for all of you who don't wan't to install WMP 11 but only the updated codecs here we go
1. Download the WMP 11 beta 2. Extract the main .exe 3. now inside the extracted folder you gonna find wmfdist11.exe, execute it. 4. Start WME9 and enjoy the Advanced Profile @zambelli Quote:
here is a WVC1 example made by Remedy (most probably encoded by the Microsoft Studio staff as they partners) 720p@60 fps 15 Mbps http://www.alanwake.com/movies.html Test Results: First test results show that the new Main Profile is much better now then it was before, especialy in detail preservation but the difference to the new WVC1 i couldn't see that @ 8 mbps for now, gonna try some higher bitrates later source was 1920x1080p@25 fps hmm i can see a slight textural difference looks that the new MP@HL did better here then AP @ this Bitrate. To be Continued...
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edit: bah i messed up the fourcc for AP... Last edited by GodofaGap; 18th May 2006 at 10:54. |
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Riiiiight. "Forcing" hundred Doom9 users to install WMP11 in order to get WMV9 AP is really going to boost Microsoft's market penetration. I'll go tell the marketing people that the MTV Urge service is a huge waste of time - because clearly the real draw is WMV9 AP. Cruncher, I don't underestimate anybody on this forum. I know very well you can extract the WMF SDK runtime from the install package. However, you're entirely speculating about our reasons for not endorsing that install scenario. Conspiracy theories are entertaining, but that's not how businesses are run. Quote:
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It's difficult to regulate these things. Remember how Canopus had a different 4cc for their DV video, even though it was perfectly compliant with every other DV decoder on the market? We'll see how things turn out for VC-1. Hopefully it won't be a FourCC mess. |
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Ok, I feel I am doing something wrong...
I used the clip from this infamous ( ) thread, but comparing PSNR scores WMV9 AP appears to do worse than DivX3 (900 kbps) I've used Nic's wmenc to encode the file, but the fourcc seems to be WVC1 so that should be ok... visual checking the impression is not that bad I think, but on that partcilar clip in some scenes there is still some blockiness compared to x264. Zambelli, can you confirm that Nic's wmencoder is using the correct codec? |
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you can compare vc1 to real or xvid...
comparing it with x264 is a bit unfair.
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Still WMV9 AP is way behind DivX or XviD in PSNR score (about 0.5 dB) and even normal WMV9 is a bit better... I still feel I am doing something wrong. Quote:
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