Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPC-HC) - DXVA! - Page 881

v0lt · 27th June 2011, 03:50

@Underground78 and other developers

Then it was:
- Never
- Always
- While Playing

Now it is:
- Never
- Always
- While Playing
- While Playing Video

Can do better than three lines?
Еxample:
- Never
- Always
- While Playing Video

namaiki · 27th June 2011, 03:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by v0lt

- While Playing
- While Playing Video[/I]

Can do better than three lines?

While Playing <- This means MPC-HC is always on top.
While Playing Video <- This means MPC-HC is only on top if a video is open in MPC-HC and it is playing.

v0lt · 27th June 2011, 04:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by namaiki

While Playing <- This means MPC-HC is always on top.
While Playing Video <- This means MPC-HC is only on top if a video is open in MPC-HC and it is playing.

How it works I understand. But why do so difficult? Who needs these four modes? Three is enough.

namaiki · 27th June 2011, 04:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by v0lt

How it works I understand. But why do so difficult? Who needs these four modes? Three is enough.

Feature request on the tracker:
http://mpc-hc.svn.sourceforge.net/vi...&revision=3247

It doesn't really hurt anybody to just keep it there, unless there is a better way to implement.

Personally, I do use the video only on top mode.

Underground78 · 27th June 2011, 06:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by v0lt

How it works I understand. But why do so difficult? Who needs these four modes? Three is enough.

Some people might want to keep the player on top when playing audio files (for example if they want to see informations about the track) and not only for video files. I don't think having a 4 menu items really matters ...

quasit · 27th June 2011, 10:52

Isn't native PCM support (MKV) gonna be fixed? I tried latest nightly and I still get same error as before, http://pastebin.com/WknqTs3P
Yes, it works using LAV splitter but then I can't change between subtitles (just enable/disable). I tried Haalii Media Splitter but then I get out of sync for PGS subtitles (MKV).

It says in the bug report that you should change audio render, it doesn't help. It also says some sound cards don't support PCM. So what supports it then? Some $200 sound card? Why can't a MPCHC splitter be added that supports PCM and doesn't have any subtitle issues like LAV and HMS?
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/665

e-t172 · 27th June 2011, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by quasit

It also says some sound cards don't support PCM.

Nonsense. PCM is the standard audio format for all computer applications. A soundcard which doesn't support PCM is just a very expensive paperweight.

LigH · 27th June 2011, 13:59

In general yes, but ...

PCM = "Pulse Code Modulation" means: raw, uncompressed samples. But samples may be represented in many different formats, and not all formats need to be supported by all soundcards.

There are integer samples (WAV 2CC: 0x0001), where 16 bit is the most common and usual resolution, but 24 bit or 32 bit samples are possible too (let's forget about 8 bit). Video DVDs might even have 20 bit samples in a rather strange interleaving (not supported by WAV).

Furthermore there are floating point samples (WAV 2CC: 0x0003) in IEEE single or double precision format (32 or 64 bit).

IIRC, the "Microsoft Wave Mapper" was the special ACM "codec" of VfW to convert sample formats between WAV storage and sound card hardware support on-the-fly. DirectShow will have a similar special filter.

v0lt · 27th June 2011, 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underground78

Some people might want to keep the player on top when playing audio files (for example if they want to see informations about the track) and not only for video files.

I have not seen this features in any audio player. There's enough options "never" and "always".
Videoplayer should have one additional option. The second option is excess.

Now we have a bug with option Options...->Player->Other->Always in top

clsid · 27th June 2011, 14:47

I also suggest to associate Ctrl+A with "while playing video" instead of "always". That is more useful imho.

Underground78 · 27th June 2011, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by v0lt

I have not seen this features in any audio player. There's enough options "never" and "always".
Videoplayer should have one additional option. The second option is excess.

Why only one ?! I can't understand your point ... However I agree with clsid suggestion and we will probably change the shortcut if everybody agrees. We can also change the order, if people prefers the new option to come first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by v0lt

Now we have a bug with option Options...->Player->Other->Always in top

That's true, thanks for reporting it. (I personally tend to think that three states checkboxes are often not really clear and I had never noticed this one ...)

I can do that to fix the bug:

fastplayer · 27th June 2011, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underground78

(I personally tend to think that three states checkboxes are often not really clear and I had never noticed this one ...)

+1
They are even less clear when there's no tooltip or any description whatsoever...
The dropdown menu makes more sense, especially if there are more than 3 choices to be made of.

clsid · 27th June 2011, 20:32

I would suggest to just remove it from the options page. A drop down looks ugly there. I also do not see any need to have the same option in two places. Having it in the View menu is the natural place.

Underground78 · 27th June 2011, 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by clsid

I would suggest to just remove it from the options page. A drop down looks ugly there. I also do not see any need to have the same option in two places. Having it in the View menu is the natural place.

I am not against doing that too.

v0lt · 27th June 2011, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underground78

I can do that to fix the bug:

If everything remains as it is, it is necessary to correct the settings dialog. The order of options not need to change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by quasit

Isn't native PCM support (MKV) gonna be fixed?

fixed in r3271

MPC-HomeCinema 1.5.2.3271 (x86)

Underground78 · 27th June 2011, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by v0lt

If everything remains as it is, it is necessary to correct the settings dialog. The order of options not need to change.

I don't think I change it, do I ? Or maybe we are not talking about the same thing ?

v0lt · 28th June 2011, 03:47

@Underground78
Do anything or I will return back three options.

Underground78 · 28th June 2011, 05:55

I will do something but let us discuss that before doing anything ... The combobox fix was already ready when I posted the screenshot but as some people seem to think there is no need to have the options twice, I will need to ask Tetsuo and/or XhmikosR opinion about that.

boyumeow · 28th June 2011, 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by v0lt

...

Can do better than three lines?
Еxample:
- Never
- Always
- While Playing Video

How about
- Never
- While Playing
- While Playing Video

tetsuo55 · 28th June 2011, 10:03

What about this

Dropdown:
* Never
* Always
* Only during playback

Checkbox:
[] Do not apply "always on top" for audio files.

We could change that checkbox to "always on top during playback"

27th June 2011, 13:59	#17608 \| Link
LigH German doom9/Gleitz SuMo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany, rural Altmark Posts: 6,782	In general yes, but ... PCM = "Pulse Code Modulation" means: raw, uncompressed samples. But samples may be represented in many different formats, and not all formats need to be supported by all soundcards. There are integer samples (WAV 2CC: 0x0001), where 16 bit is the most common and usual resolution, but 24 bit or 32 bit samples are possible too (let's forget about 8 bit). Video DVDs might even have 20 bit samples in a rather strange interleaving (not supported by WAV). Furthermore there are floating point samples (WAV 2CC: 0x0003) in IEEE single or double precision format (32 or 64 bit). IIRC, the "Microsoft Wave Mapper" was the special ACM "codec" of VfW to convert sample formats between WAV storage and sound card hardware support on-the-fly. DirectShow will have a similar special filter. __________________ New German Gleitz board MediaFire: x264 \| x265 \| VPx \| AOM \| Xvid

27th June 2011, 14:47	#17610 \| Link
clsid ***** Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,647	I also suggest to associate Ctrl+A with "while playing video" instead of "always". That is more useful imho. __________________ MPC-HC 2.2.1

27th June 2011, 20:32	#17613 \| Link
clsid ***** Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,647	I would suggest to just remove it from the options page. A drop down looks ugly there. I also do not see any need to have the same option in two places. Having it in the View menu is the natural place. __________________ MPC-HC 2.2.1

28th June 2011, 10:03	#17620 \| Link
tetsuo55 MPC-HC Project Manager Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,317	What about this Dropdown: * Never * Always * Only during playback Checkbox: [] Do not apply "always on top" for audio files. We could change that checkbox to "always on top during playback" __________________ MPC-HC, an open source project everyone can improve. Want to help? Test Nightly Builds, submit patches or bugs and chat on IRC

27th June 2011, 03:50	#17601 \| Link
v0lt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,969	@Underground78 and other developers Then it was: - Never - Always - While Playing Now it is: - Never - Always - While Playing - While Playing Video Can do better than three lines? Еxample: - Never - Always - While Playing Video

27th June 2011, 10:52	#17606 \| Link
quasit Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14	Isn't native PCM support (MKV) gonna be fixed? I tried latest nightly and I still get same error as before, http://pastebin.com/WknqTs3P Yes, it works using LAV splitter but then I can't change between subtitles (just enable/disable). I tried Haalii Media Splitter but then I get out of sync for PGS subtitles (MKV). It says in the bug report that you should change audio render, it doesn't help. It also says some sound cards don't support PCM. So what supports it then? Some $200 sound card? Why can't a MPCHC splitter be added that supports PCM and doesn't have any subtitle issues like LAV and HMS? http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/mpc-hc/ticket/665

28th June 2011, 03:47	#17617 \| Link
v0lt Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,969	@Underground78 Do anything or I will return back three options.

28th June 2011, 05:55	#17618 \| Link
Underground78 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: France Posts: 567	I will do something but let us discuss that before doing anything ... The combobox fix was already ready when I posted the screenshot but as some people seem to think there is no need to have the options twice, I will need to ask Tetsuo and/or XhmikosR opinion about that.