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20th March 2018, 22:31 | #49641 | Link | |
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Have you selected 8bits in 4K60p when playing a first 4K60p video with a standard resolution? I think that's how the driver knows what to switch to in the first place, but I could be wrong. Attachments here take ages to be approved, so better use other means (simplest is a link to an unlisted Youtube/Vimeo video). There is no need for a video, I believe you Instead, can you list the information I suggested to list if the steps I outlined don't work for you?
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20th March 2018, 22:36 | #49642 | Link |
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I just installed the new Nvidia drivers for my GTX 1080 without using DDU or Clean Install. I created a restore point first, just in case.
Once again, the madVR custom refresh rate entries were still there, but not working. For each one, I clicked Optimize, ran the test and saved the change (no change, actually), then rebooted. Played a test movie, and the refresh rate changed as it should have. I did this for each entry that I use (only three), and all is working normally now. So basically a new Nvidia driver includes a 3-reboot penalty for my setup, but I can install over the old version and keep my Nvidia and OS settings. |
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I don't select anything before playing anything. I just play it and the rest happens behind the scenes. I see my attachment if I log out or click on the pending attachment itself. I tried uploading many different ways direct from an uploaded url and straight from my PC. Then cropped to 200KB. Still won't go real time. I'm not good at uploading attachments cuz I've seen others do it right away. Sorry. I updated my sig for the info you wanted. I'd give more but it's limited to 200 characters. What other info that's not there now would you suggest?
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20th March 2018, 23:09 | #49644 | Link | |
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20th March 2018, 23:20 | #49645 | Link | |
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Nvidia CP you should ignore, it's greyed out in 4K60p if you are using a custom refresh mode. I have no idea if the above works with standard res. I'm only reporting what works for me. MadVR you should ignore too. It tells you the way the video is encoded (10bits 4:20 for UHD bluray) or the way it dithers (10bits or 8bits), but it has no idea how you've set your GPU output. By the way you need to use profiles to select 8bit dithering for 4K60p if you use 10bits dithering for 30p and below content, otherwise the GPU is dithering behind MadVR's back which is not good. Display info you should NOT necessarily ignore. If it tells you what it receives, that might be an indication, but the display might be set to a fixed bit depth in UHD Mode. My JVC does report RGB 12bits when I send 4K23 and RGB 8bits when I send 4K60p. I have a HD Fury Vertex that tells me exactly what comes out of the HTPC before it goes into the display, so I know for a fact that I get RGB 12bits 4:4:4 in 4K23 and RGB 8bits 4:4:4 in 4K60p, which confirms the display info. Whether the presence of the Vertex in the chain helps me get these results or not, I have no idea. I don't think it does, but it might because it overrides the display EDID and reports full capability. I don't have the time to mess up with my setup at the moment and test whether all works as well if I take it out. I can confirm that all works as reported above with 390.24. No improvements that I can see, nothing broken either: 3D (FSE still needed), 12bits/8bits auto switch and custom refresh modes created with MadVR still work fine and survive a reboot, Asio4all compatibility and ability to switch bit depth in custom modes still broken.
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21st March 2018, 00:12 | #49647 | Link |
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That cannot work at 4K60p. You can't send 12bits (or even 10bits) at 4K60p RGB 4:4:4, whether MadVR dithers to 8bits or 10bits. It exceeds the 18gb/s bandwidth of HDMI 2.0. It might work like this with 1080p, but that's not relevant with 4K60p. The only valid option at 4K60 RGB 4:4:4 is 8bits. This is why you should make sure (using profiles) that MadVR dithers to 8bits with 4K60p content if you dither to 10bits otherwise. Alternatively, you need to dither to 8bits always.
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Jeesh, what is it with this site and image uploads? It's not a video, it's a simple tiny image. Anxious for you guys to look it over. I see other folks post and their image shows immediately? Please, someone explain what I've done wrong.
In manage attachments I uploaded a 900k .jpg direct from my PC to here and posted. It said pending approval. I removed attachment and checked post to see that it was gone. Uploaded .jpg to imgur.com, then copied link to here. It said pending again. Noticed it said 200k max. I removed pending image again. I cropped image down to nothing (162KB), uploaded from my PC to here and posted. Pending this one too. Removed and checked post to see it was gone. Uploaded 162KB to imgur.com, copied url, and posted. Says pending again. Help?
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can you try this at a resolution with 10 bit or more support? @brazen1 uploads on this forum need admin approval just use a link. |
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21st March 2018, 01:49 | #49651 | Link |
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Thank you huhn. Direct link working. Can you look it over and tell me if I'm out of my mind?
This is the Sony 'Camp' video. You can d/l it here: http://4kmedia.org/sony-camping-in-nature-4k-demo/ https://i.imgur.com/QuV5CVT.jpg
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21st March 2018, 02:24 | #49652 | Link |
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you are sending 10 bit to the GPU driver.
it's using NV HDR. the decoder should be lavfilter. the file is maybe faulty no HDR meta data. what i'm supposed to see here? sending 10 bit to the GPU driver at UHD 60 hz us something i would never with HDMI 2.0 do but do as you please... |
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I use LAV Filters otherwise it wouldn't decode HDR in MPC-HC without them afaik.
Maybe the file is faulty. I just played a different 60fps UHD HDR. This one shows meta data, BT 2020 upstream and downstream, HDR 1000 nits BT2020->DCI-P3 which tells me what it was mastered in. What is wrong with sending 10bit UHD 60Hz with HDMI 2.0? That is the native rate and I always match them. My display is native 120Hz fwiw. I have others that I send at their native rates at 23Hz too. We were having a discussion about how it's impossible to play 60Hz titles at 10bit due to the HDMI 2.0 limitation spec. Does that OSD reading confirm or deny that I'm indeed playing 60Hz at 10bit or is it not relevant at all?
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like said before you can't send UHD 60 hz10 bit RGB with HDMI 2.0 and madVR OSD has nothing todo with that.
you are just sending stuff the GPU driver. if you like to MPDN can do 16 bit and if madshi wants to he could add that too(the last time i heard something about this is pretty broken) but that has little to nothing todo what the GPU send the display. so not sure why you comapre the OSD to what is send to the display device. |
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Thank you. Now I understand. madVR OSD only shows what is being input from the GPU and shows nothing about output to the display. I don't know everything about deciphering the madVR OSD like most of you. I'm learning. Thanks again.
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but a simply checking all custom resolution within nvidiacp do the work |
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Tried, DDU in safe mode, clean installed nvidia drivers, same issue. Last 3 driver releases cannot save tweaked custom resolution when set to 1080P23. Same for madVR, it throws driver error in your face if you try to apply a tweaked refresh rate setup. And it's obviously a driver issue since the 390.77 works fine while 391.01, 391.05 and 391.24 do not. Last edited by FDisk80; 21st March 2018 at 08:37. |
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You should ask MadVR to dither to 8bits with 4K60p (using profiles to do this automatically) so that there is no dithering from the GPU driver done behind MadVR’s back. That or use 8bits dithering in MadVR all the time. If you use YCB 4:2:2 then you can send 4K60p 10 or 12bits at 4K60p, but it’s not recommended as the worse chroma upscaling is probably wiping out any (very marginal) benefit of dithering to 10bits vs 8bits.
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Saying "390.x drivers are broken" doesn't help anyone. Saying that in 1080p23 you can't save tweaked custom resolution with a GTX970 on Windows 10 since 390.77 becomes more useful, because from there we can see who else has the same issue and whether they use the same GPU model or default resolution. So thanks for posting the additional details, I hope that others with the issue will post detailed info as well, and others for whom it works fine (like myself) will do too, so we can gather more data and see if there are common points between those for whom it still works exactly the same and those for whom it's broken.
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