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Old 13th August 2017, 20:32   #44641  |  Link
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I think a more realistic way to implement this, while still somewhat crazy, is to have a complete performance <-> quality sequence for every performance v.s. quality option. Watch the rendering times and move down the list until Xms below the frame time, then save those settings for that frame rate and resolution until the user triggers "re-tune" or something.

I would argue the this is not worth doing until madVR is feature complete, making and maintaining that list is more work the more madVR changes. However, I am sure it would be a lot of fun to discuss the ordering of that list. Is there a different list for different GPUs due to differences in the the relative performance impact of each option?

Also, you still have to leave smooth motion and refresh rate up to the user.
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Old 13th August 2017, 20:36   #44642  |  Link
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This should be part of a "proper" installer, not really inside madVR.
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Old 13th August 2017, 21:44   #44643  |  Link
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Is it still the weekend in Germany? No new madVR build.
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Old 13th August 2017, 21:47   #44644  |  Link
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Sorry, I need a bit longer, had a busy week. Maybe in 1-3 days, or maybe next weekend, don't know for sure.
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Old 13th August 2017, 21:51   #44645  |  Link
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What's wrong? Is it about custom resolutions?
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Just be patient and let him work. Every minute he responds to you is a minute less he has to spend on madVR awesomeness.
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Old 14th August 2017, 01:40   #44648  |  Link
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bilateral sharp and reconstruction sharp are very sharp chroma scaler i highly doubt any other image scaler is as "sharp" even through it is hard to compare but chroma is usually very blurry and a sharp chroma scaler can be a really good choice.
Huhn it sounds like you prefer bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp, stating they maybe the two best for chroma upscaling... my question is.

Im currently using Nnedi 128 for chroma and NGU sharp High for luma on a very large 145" diag. screen with the JVC X9500. My render times are 19.80ms for BDs upscaling everything to 4K, using the 1080Ti card.

Someone else said that bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp probably give the most pop when used for chroma upscaling, I like that idea. Im going to try them out but I dont understand what the different settings do...

e.g. Reconstruction has soft, sharp, placebo, sharp AR, placebo AR, which do you think is better to use in this case?

Which one do you prefer bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp?

Many thanks...
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Im currently using Nnedi 128 for chroma
Waste of processing power imo. Switch to 64 neurons or NGU AA. High setting is best bang for buck.
Have you compared chroma upscalers at all?

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ryrynz, Is NGU sharp is used for chroma upscaling, is it as sharp or as good as bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp for chroma upscaling?
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Old 14th August 2017, 05:35   #44651  |  Link
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Not a fan of either of those for chroma, what determines if they're good to me is how natural they look and how balanced the colors are. I could tell you which out of those three I prefer, that's about it.. Without looking into it right now I'm guessing my preference would be NGU Sharp.

NGU sharp (Luma) looks good on Adywan's recent ESB release BTW.
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NGU sharp (Luma) looks good on Adywan's recent ESB release BTW.
I cant understand why, but Im getting lots of repeated frames when I use any NGU settings for chroma upscaling, even the lowest. Luma is set to NGU sharp high.

If I use Nnedi 128 for chroma I get no repeated frames and rendering is approx 20ms.

I also get repeated frames with bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp for chroma upscaling. The only one I can use without repeated frames is Nnedi 128, I wonder whats wrong...? My card is 1080Ti and upscaling everything to 4K.

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i prefer super xbr 100 for 1080p screens and super xbr 150 for UHD screen with a 1080p source as a chroma scaler.
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I cant understand why, but Im getting lots of repeated frames when I use any NGU settings for chroma upscaling, even the lowest. Luma is set to NGU sharp high.

If I use Nnedi 128 for chroma I get no repeated frames and rendering is approx 20ms.

I also get repeated frames with bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp for chroma upscaling. The only one I can use without repeated frames is Nnedi 128, I wonder whats wrong...? My card is 1080Ti and upscaling everything to 4K.
Repeated frames you mean delayed frames? Since I started to use NGU AA low or medium, I'm getting one delayed frame randomly, sometimes I got it, sometimes I don't...It's very weird, my rendering times are around ~ 13-15 ms. I'm using windowed overlay.
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sorry I meant to say dropped frames.
It goes crazy dropping frames if I use any of the NGU settings for chroma upscaling. Also goes crazy dropping frames with bilateral sharp or reconstruction sharp for chroma upscaling.

The only one that runs perect without dropped frames for chroma upscaling for me is Nnedi 128.
So I have to use the above with luma upscaling on NGU sharp high. 4K 1080Ti card.

I would like to now use NGU for chroma upscaling but something is wrong, all it does is drop frames...
Can someone help me trouble shoot please?
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i prefer super xbr 100 for 1080p screens and super xbr 150 for UHD screen with a 1080p source as a chroma scaler.
Yeah 100 is solid, 150 was too sharp for my tastes, but I'm only upscaling to 1080.
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The only one that runs perect without dropped frames for chroma upscaling for me is Nnedi 128.
So I have to use the above with luma upscaling on NGU sharp high. 4K 1080Ti card.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm mis-remembering, but I was under the impression that NNEDI does not even run on Nvidia 10-series cards because of a change in the drivers. Maybe what you're seeing is no chroma upscaling at all using NNEDI, vs. whatever load NGU puts on your GPU.

If that's the case, and you can't even run the less demanding algorithms for chroma upscaling, there must be other settings you're using that are maxing out your 1080Ti.
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nnedi3 works fine with nvidia 10xx cards.

if you have a problem with rendertimes post a OSD screen plz.
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Hello madshi, I am wondering if you checked the mpv area these days.

There were a lot of huge improvements:

- Nnedi3 shaders based on MPDN ones are really faster than on madVR.
- Igv's single-pass AdaptiveSharpen variant is really better and faster than madVR one.
- Igv's SSimSuperRes variant based on MPDN one is totally destroying SuperRes upscale enhancer in madVR.
- Bjin's RAVU prescaler/doubler is easily 4x faster (test/ravu-r3-smoothtest1.hook) than NGU-AA High with same/better result.

I would like to know your opinion about it and see performance improvements in the next madVR build.

I tested your madCustomRes standalone application and it really works as expected.
I don't know what is the optimize button for, it would be great to explain.

EDIT: I am not trolling.

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Hello madshi, I am wondering if you checked the mpv area these days.

There were a lot of huge improvements:

- Nnedi3 shaders based on MPDN ones are really faster than on madVR.
- Igv's single-pass AdaptiveSharpen variant is really better and faster than madVR one.
- Igv's SSimSuperRes variant based on MPDN one is totally destroying SuperRes upscale enhancer in madVR.
- Bjin's RAVU prescaler/doubler is easily 4x faster (test/ravu-r3-smoothtest1.hook) than NGU-AA High with same/better result.

I would like to know your opinion about it and see performance improvements in the next madVR build.

I tested your madCustomRes standalone application and it really works as expected.
I don't know what is the optimize button for, it would be great to explain.

EDIT: I am not trolling.
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