BDSup2Sub - convert and tweak bitmap subtitle streams (VobSub,BD-SUP,BDN XML,HD-SUP) - Page 27

hamletiii · 12th August 2009, 19:27

I choose the same framerate as input and output, both 29.97, how come the output timecode is slightly different than the input?
One example:
Input:
start: 00:55:28.070 end: 00:55:32.100

Ouput:
start: 00:55:28.058 end: 00:55:32.095

Also is there a way to not convert the images? I just want to extract the subpictures generated from PunkGraphicStream to png+xml.

0xdeadbeef · 12th August 2009, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamletiii

I choose the same framerate as input and output, both 29.97, how come the output timecode is slightly different than the input?
One example:
Input:
start: 00:55:28.070 end: 00:55:32.100

Ouput:
start: 00:55:28.058 end: 00:55:32.095

As described in the online help etc., BDSUp2Sub always synchronizes to the target frame rate.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamletiii

Also is there a way to not convert the images? I just want to extract the subpictures generated from PunkGraphicStream to png+xml.

Yes and no. If you select the same resolution and frame rate and choose "keep palette", a plain subpicture is not altered.
Then again, if there are palette animations etc., BDSup2Sub will remove them. Then again, stuff like this is not supported by the BDN XML format anyway.

hamletiii · 12th August 2009, 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0xdeadbeef

As described in the online help etc., BDSUp2Sub always synchronizes to the target frame rate.

So what is the benefit to "always synchronizes to the target frame rate"?

Is there a way to keep the timecodes as is? I noticed that this feature didn't get introduced prior to ver2.0.

0xdeadbeef · 12th August 2009, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamletiii

So what is the benefit to "always synchronizes to the target frame rate"?

To improve compatibility of course.
Besides: what possible benefit could it have to start or end a subtitle in between frames? Most obviously nothing can be displayed between two frames anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamletiii

Is there a way to keep the timecodes as is? I noticed that this feature didn't get introduced prior to ver2.0.

No, as this would make absolutely no sense.

rica · 17th August 2009, 21:21

Hi,
to perform a frame rate conversion e.g. for pal speedup, will it be enough just to select "FPS Target" as 25 ?

(sorry i've been away for some time)

0xdeadbeef · 18th August 2009, 01:36

No, you also need to check the "Change frame rate" checkbox and select/confirm the source frame rate.

micha019 · 18th August 2009, 16:33

Hello,

does anyone know which standalone player already supports vobsubs in mkv?
I already know that the wd-media player support it.
But I'm looking for a standalone player with network support.
So I tested the new player: Asus O!Play HDP-R1 and Xtreamer.
Both doesn't play vobsubtitles.

GZZ · 18th August 2009, 17:55

micha019 please post this under Hardware players and not in here.

rica · 18th August 2009, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0xdeadbeef

No, you also need to check the "Change frame rate" checkbox and select/confirm the source frame rate.

Thx, it means it works and no need anymore any manual adjustment like on SubtitleWorkshop?

0xdeadbeef · 18th August 2009, 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by rica

Thx, it means it works and no need anymore any manual adjustment like on SubtitleWorkshop?

I use it all the time with 24p material that I speed up to 25p with EAC3TO (which simply patches the fps info field in the video stream). Works great for me.

rica · 19th August 2009, 01:27

Thanks, i'll give it a go.

sneaker_ger · 19th August 2009, 17:46

In the AVS2BDNXML thread we discovered a problem that seems to be an error in BDSup2Sub.

The problem is that when doing a BDN XML to BR Sup conversion the subtitles sometimes appear and/or disappear 1 frame too late.
In this sample you'll see that while the subtitle should appear on frame 24 (timecode "00:00:01:00" in bdn xml notation, first frame being frame #0) it appears on frame 25 in the resulting .sup file. When re-converting the file you'll get the correct timing (timecode "00:00:01:00") in the resulting xml though.

Zachs · 25th August 2009, 07:22

I'd like to run some effect filters over my subs (PGS sup files), such as drop shadow, brightness / contrast adjust etc.
BDSup2Sub probably doesn't do this yet but I'd like to see it implemented.
Ideally, I'd like to use the plugin filters written for Paint.NET.

mrr19121970 · 25th August 2009, 08:55

why not export them to XML/PNG and then whizz over your PNG files applying any affects you want. when you're done convert back to PGS.

,

Zachs · 25th August 2009, 09:35

Hmm that's a good idea. Didn't think of that.
Thanks!

minerva.thegift · 28th August 2009, 00:03

I just wanted to drop by and say thank you so much for this project/utility! My general philosophy on DVD and now Blu Ray archiving is that if the original disc has it, I want to archive it - including all the subtitles in languages that I don't even know how to read :P I had started looking at some .sup to .srt (text) tools that use OCR but that doesn't really work for me with languages like Arabic and Thai which don't use the Roman alphabet. I have successfully archived two blu ray movies so far (with all their subtitles in tact) to .mkv files and I used BDSuptoSub for the subtitles (and mkvmerge GUI in the mkvtoolnix to mux them back in to the mkv file.) I think I might even work on writing a guide and I'll be sure to include a link to this thread.

Thanks so much!

Note: I have written a guide detailing how to create a digital archive copy of a Blu Ray movie and I included a section on using BDSup2Sub. It can be found here.

hamletiii · 28th August 2009, 21:09

How to preserve the color when converting from BDSup to DVD idx/sub?

Here is the picture:

The original sub has two colors, if I choose output as idx/sub, the preview only gives one color for both lines?

0xdeadbeef · 30th August 2009, 16:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamletiii

How to preserve the color when converting from BDSup to DVD idx/sub?

The integrated help file answer this all. Expecially the chapter
"Some technical background / Palette Modes".
In an nutshell: multicolored text is lost when converting from 255 to 3 opaque colors.

sneaker_ger · 30th August 2009, 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by sneaker_ger

In the AVS2BDNXML thread we discovered a problem that seems to be an error in BDSup2Sub.

The problem is that when doing a BDN XML to BR Sup conversion the subtitles sometimes appear and/or disappear 1 frame too late.
In this sample you'll see that while the subtitle should appear on frame 24 (timecode "00:00:01:00" in bdn xml notation, first frame being frame #0) it appears on frame 25 in the resulting .sup file. When re-converting the file you'll get the correct timing (timecode "00:00:01:00") in the resulting xml though.

This error turned out to be an error in the AviSynth SupTitle plugin and not in BDSup2Sub.

deank · 2nd September 2009, 07:33

@0xdeadbeef: Can you take a look at these posts? The user will be able to post here @ doom9 in few days.

Dean

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hamletiii Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 116	I choose the same framerate as input and output, both 29.97, how come the output timecode is slightly different than the input? One example: Input: start: 00:55:28.070 end: 00:55:32.100 Ouput: start: 00:55:28.058 end: 00:55:32.095 Also is there a way to not convert the images? I just want to extract the subpictures generated from PunkGraphicStream to png+xml. Last edited by hamletiii; 12th August 2009 at 19:32.

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rica Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,021	Hi, to perform a frame rate conversion e.g. for pal speedup, will it be enough just to select "FPS Target" as 25 ? (sorry i've been away for some time) Last edited by rica; 17th August 2009 at 21:30.

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micha019 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 13	Standalone Player that supports vobsubs Hello, does anyone know which standalone player already supports vobsubs in mkv? I already know that the wd-media player support it. But I'm looking for a standalone player with network support. So I tested the new player: Asus O!Play HDP-R1 and Xtreamer. Both doesn't play vobsubtitles.

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mrr19121970 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 305	why not export them to XML/PNG and then whizz over your PNG files applying any affects you want. when you're done convert back to PGS. , __________________ Blu-Ray Movie Only Copies : Clown_BD Blu-Ray Movie Only DVD Conversion : Clown_BD Blu-Ray Copies With Menus : Clown_BD BD Copier

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minerva.thegift Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1	Thanks so much! I just wanted to drop by and say thank you so much for this project/utility! My general philosophy on DVD and now Blu Ray archiving is that if the original disc has it, I want to archive it - including all the subtitles in languages that I don't even know how to read :P I had started looking at some .sup to .srt (text) tools that use OCR but that doesn't really work for me with languages like Arabic and Thai which don't use the Roman alphabet. I have successfully archived two blu ray movies so far (with all their subtitles in tact) to .mkv files and I used BDSuptoSub for the subtitles (and mkvmerge GUI in the mkvtoolnix to mux them back in to the mkv file.) I think I might even work on writing a guide and I'll be sure to include a link to this thread. Thanks so much! Note: I have written a guide detailing how to create a digital archive copy of a Blu Ray movie and I included a section on using BDSup2Sub. It can be found here. Last edited by minerva.thegift; 28th August 2009 at 20:27.

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0xdeadbeef Author of BDSup2Sub Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 478	No, you also need to check the "Change frame rate" checkbox and select/confirm the source frame rate.

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GZZ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 581	micha019 please post this under Hardware players and not in here.

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rica Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,021	Thanks, i'll give it a go.

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sneaker_ger Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,565	In the AVS2BDNXML thread we discovered a problem that seems to be an error in BDSup2Sub. The problem is that when doing a BDN XML to BR Sup conversion the subtitles sometimes appear and/or disappear 1 frame too late. In this sample you'll see that while the subtitle should appear on frame 24 (timecode "00:00:01:00" in bdn xml notation, first frame being frame #0) it appears on frame 25 in the resulting .sup file. When re-converting the file you'll get the correct timing (timecode "00:00:01:00") in the resulting xml though.

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Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	I'd like to run some effect filters over my subs (PGS sup files), such as drop shadow, brightness / contrast adjust etc. BDSup2Sub probably doesn't do this yet but I'd like to see it implemented. Ideally, I'd like to use the plugin filters written for Paint.NET.

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Zachs Suptitle, MediaPlayer.NET Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,721	Hmm that's a good idea. Didn't think of that. Thanks!

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hamletiii Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 116	How to preserve the color when converting from BDSup to DVD idx/sub? Here is the picture: The original sub has two colors, if I choose output as idx/sub, the preview only gives one color for both lines?

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deank Programmer (or just 教务长) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 4,251	@0xdeadbeef: Can you take a look at these posts? The user will be able to post here @ doom9 in few days. Dean __________________ multiAVCHD - donate \| popBD \| uncropMKV \| mkv2avi \| easySUP