Incredibles R1 need to be done by vobid?

[hoops10]

I am having all kinds of problems with the Incredibles R1 movie. When I load it into DIF, it says that because of the angles, I need to process the movie by vobid, so DIF checks demux by vobid automatically. So I tried it, used Scenaid -> BatchCCEWS and then to Scenarist. I received an error about the video timecode not matching or something like that. So then I tried to use ifoedit to strip the angles, leaving only Angle 1. Tried it again and Scenarist gave me another error about the video frames not being a full number or something.

To those of you who backed this up, how did you do it? Also, if you have any idea as to what the problem is above, please help. Thanks.

[Trahald]

i did vobid->scenaid->batchencode->scenarist for the main movie.. no problems there.. some of the extras are pan and scan so those will generate errors i just changed the aspect of the no-cce files to 16~9(to match the script) with dvd patcher and all was well.

[hoops10]

Trahald, that rings a bell with the extras being a problem. If I just choose to not process them and just have DIF demux them, would I need to do anything else with the main movie video as to avoid errors in Scenarist?

[Trahald]

yep.. that would fix it.. i use batchencode to avoid .5 duration errors in vobid demux.. however if you are pal then it isnt a concern

[hoops10]

Trahald, is batchencode the same as using batchccews? Normally I use Scenaid and then it opens up Batchccews and imports everything it needs into batchccews.

[D3s7]

batchencodem2v is a newer/simpler version of batchccews with some newer more advanced features (behind the scenes) such as the auto correction for .5 frame errors in a vobid demux / PanScan support

works very much the same way.. check out the sticky in this forum for more info

[hoops10]

D3S7, does this new batchencode work with Scenaid? In other words, will Scenaid launch batchencode and import everything into it just like Scenaid does with BatchCCEWS? Also, does Batchencode give the same great quality (and use the RoBa method) that batchccews does?

[hoops10]

I tried to run Batchencodem2v but when I try to run it, I get an error saying that it could not initialize. Do I need .Net installed or anything?

[Angelus]

If you haven't done so you need to set the correct paths to both CCE and CCERoba in the options menu

[hoops10]

That is the problem. When I try to run the program, it won't even load. I just get the error right away about it not being able to inititalize. Is there somewhere else where I need to set the options before I run the program?

[D3s7]

post what the log file says (it's in the install dir and called bem2v.log)

for you info.... Incred does have to be done by vobid... it has angles
your angle error is because you probably didn't go into batchccews and check the "angle" checkbox for all angle assets (yet another reason to use batchencodem2v)

[hoops10]

D3S7, there is no log file. The program never starts. This is the error I get:
'The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135). Click OK to terminate the application.'

All that is in the install directory is Batchencodem2v.exe, CCERoba.exe, revpulldown.exe, unins000.dat, and unins000.exe. That is it. Do I need .NET installed or something? I am running winxp sp2.

[hoops10]

Ok, I installed .Net and it seems to be at least loading the program now. I went into options and set the correct paths for CCE Path name, but it says that it can't open ECL file. Any ideas? Because BatchCCEWS works fine. And I would really like to try BatchencodeM2V. Thanks.

This is from the log file. After the first error complaining about not being able to open the ECL file, I aborted it myself:

16:37:01 CCE SP Version
16:37:01 2.67.0.11
16:37:01 CCE Basic Version
16:37:01 2.67.0.11
16:37:01 HC ENC Version
16:37:01 CCEROBA Detected
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16:37:01
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16:37:01 Framerate 23976
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16:37:01
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16:37:02
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16:37:16 ------------------------------------------
16:37:16 Processing Batch...
16:37:17 Remaining Space = 23334 MB
16:37:17 c:\program files\custom technology\cce sp trial version\cctspt.exe
16:37:17 d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.avs
16:37:17 Executing CCE
16:37:17 import("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.avs\addaudio.avs")


16:37:17 LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.d2v\mpeg2dec3dg.dll")


16:37:17 mpeg2source("d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.d2v",idct=0)


16:37:17 AddAudio()


16:37:17 ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
16:37:17 2.67.0.11
16:37:17 d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS.ecl
16:37:17 ; CCE SP Trial Version -- Encoder Control List

16:37:17 [item]

16:37:17 title=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS

16:37:17 vid_out=1

16:37:17 vaf_out=1

16:37:17 aud_out=0

16:37:17 aud_mode=0

16:37:17 packet_size=2048

16:37:17 video_type=4
vmode=2

16:37:17 frame_rate_idx=1

16:37:17 vid_file0=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.mpv

16:37:17 vid_file1=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.mpv

16:37:17 vaf_file=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.vaf

16:37:17 aud_file=

16:37:17 width=720

16:37:17 height=480

16:37:17 timecode=0x0000000

16:37:17 tc_ref_frm=0

16:37:17 drop_frame=1

16:37:17 cbr_brate=3250

16:37:17 opv_q_factor=16

16:37:17 opv_brate_min=0

16:37:17 opv_brate_max=7352

16:37:17 vbr_brate_avg=3250

16:37:17 vbr_brate_min=0

16:37:17 vbr_brate_max=9352

16:37:17 vbr_bias=30

16:37:17 vbr_pass=5

16:37:17 aspect_ratio=3

16:37:17 credits_tweak=0
credits_start=0x00000
credits_brate=1000

16:37:17 h_filter=0
h_filter_idx=8
dither=0
dither_max=8

16:37:17 quality_prec=16

16:37:17 intra_dc_prec=2

16:37:17 create_new_vaf=1

16:37:17 pulldown_detect=0

16:37:17 letter_box=0
panscan=0

16:37:17 qmat_idx=0
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
seq_endcode=1

16:37:17 dvd=0
half_width=0
half_height=0
uscc=0
fast_mode=0

16:37:17 progressive=1

16:37:17 alternate_scan=0

16:37:17 non_linear=1

16:37:17 offset_line=0
top_first=0

16:37:17 lum_level=0
intra_dc_prec=2

16:37:17 gop_m=3

16:37:17 gop_nm=4

16:37:17 gop_hdr=12

16:37:17 all_closed_gop=1

16:37:17 fix_gop_length=1
fix_vbv_delay=1

16:37:17 Lowering Max Bitrate 2k for Angle Assett
16:37:17 seq_hdr=1

16:37:17 mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=0

16:37:17 samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2

16:37:17 brate_idx=7
crc=1

16:37:17 [file]

16:37:17 name=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS

16:37:17 type=0

16:37:17 frame_first=640

16:37:17 frame_last=640

16:37:17 encode_first=0

16:37:17 encode_last=640

16:37:17 chapter=0:

16:37:17 "c:\program files\custom technology\cce sp trial version\cctspt.exe" -ecl "d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS.ecl" -batch -nocancel
16:37:19 Process Closed
16:37:19 Remaining Space = 23334 MB
16:37:19 Starting 2:3 Pulldown
16:37:19 Field count is even
16:37:19 Remaining Space = 23334 MB
16:37:19 "C:\Program Files\BatchEncodeM2V\revpulldown.exe" "d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.mpv" "d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v001.p.16~9_1.mpv.m2v" -drop_frame true -removesequenceendcode
16:37:19 Pulldown Executable Complete
16:37:20 Remaining Space = 23334 MB
16:37:20 c:\program files\custom technology\cce sp trial version\cctspt.exe
16:37:20 d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.avs
16:37:20 Executing CCE
16:37:20 import("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.avs\addaudio.avs")


16:37:20 LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.d2v\mpeg2dec3dg.dll")


16:37:20 mpeg2source("d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.d2v",idct=0)


16:37:20 AddAudio()


16:37:20 ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
16:37:20 2.67.0.11
16:37:20 d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS.ecl
16:37:20 ; CCE SP Trial Version -- Encoder Control List

16:37:20 [item]

16:37:20 title=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS

16:37:20 vid_out=1

16:37:20 vaf_out=1

16:37:20 aud_out=0

16:37:20 aud_mode=0

16:37:20 packet_size=2048

16:37:20 video_type=4
vmode=2

16:37:20 frame_rate_idx=1

16:37:20 vid_file0=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.mpv

16:37:20 vid_file1=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.mpv

16:37:20 vaf_file=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.vaf

16:37:20 aud_file=

16:37:20 width=720

16:37:20 height=480

16:37:20 timecode=0x0000000

16:37:20 tc_ref_frm=0

16:37:20 drop_frame=1

16:37:20 cbr_brate=3250

16:37:20 opv_q_factor=16

16:37:20 opv_brate_min=0

16:37:20 opv_brate_max=7352

16:37:20 vbr_brate_avg=3250

16:37:20 vbr_brate_min=0

16:37:20 vbr_brate_max=9352

16:37:20 vbr_bias=30

16:37:20 vbr_pass=5

16:37:20 aspect_ratio=3

16:37:20 credits_tweak=0
credits_start=0x00000
credits_brate=1000

16:37:20 h_filter=0
h_filter_idx=8
dither=0
dither_max=8

16:37:20 quality_prec=16

16:37:20 intra_dc_prec=2

16:37:20 create_new_vaf=1

16:37:20 pulldown_detect=0

16:37:20 letter_box=0
panscan=0

16:37:20 qmat_idx=0
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
seq_endcode=1

16:37:20 dvd=0
half_width=0
half_height=0
uscc=0
fast_mode=0

16:37:20 progressive=1

16:37:20 alternate_scan=0

16:37:20 non_linear=1

16:37:20 offset_line=0
top_first=0

16:37:20 lum_level=0
intra_dc_prec=2

16:37:20 gop_m=3

16:37:20 gop_nm=4

16:37:20 gop_hdr=12

16:37:20 all_closed_gop=1

16:37:20 fix_gop_length=1
fix_vbv_delay=1

16:37:20 Lowering Max Bitrate 2k for Angle Assett
16:37:20 seq_hdr=1

16:37:20 mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=0

16:37:20 samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2

16:37:20 brate_idx=7
crc=1

16:37:20 [file]

16:37:20 name=d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS

16:37:20 type=0

16:37:20 frame_first=2321

16:37:20 frame_last=2321

16:37:20 encode_first=0

16:37:20 encode_last=2321

16:37:20 chapter=0:

16:37:20 "c:\program files\custom technology\cce sp trial version\cctspt.exe" -ecl "d:\creds\vts01\vts__01_v002.p.16~9_1.avs.temp.AVS.ecl" -batch -nocancel
16:37:20 Abort!

[Trahald]

you have to point batchencode to eclcce.exe for the version of cce you are using, not directly to the cce executable. eclcce may be in your batchccews directory

[hoops10]

Trahald, you were right. Everything works great now. I did notice something with this movie in particular, specifically with Scenaid. I had to enable 'Add Silence to PGC Demux' and 'Add Silence to VOBID Demux' in order for Scenarist to compile it correctly. Anyone else see this? Or did I do something different?

BTW, thanks for all the help.

[Angelus]

I tried both of those options in ScenAid and I still get this error message when trying to complile in Scenarist:

Info Multiplexing
Info Multiplexing VOB Main Stream
Info Multiplexing VOB Angle Stream 1
Error Video or Audio Buffer underflow: (Dts: 4191962, SCR 4192120)
Error dvd_mux : DoMux Multiplexing Error
Error Terminated Multiplexing (final.scn-VTS01_20_Track_t.vob.1).
Error Total bitrate is too HIGH. Please reduce the stream bitrate or the number of stream.
Error Multiplex is failed.
Info Multiplexing failed, Track<VTS01_20_Track>

At first I thought it was the video because the encoded video file was larger than the original! But after reducing the size of the encoded file I still get this error...probably something to do with the audio?

[D3s7]

no.. sounds like you used the dif bitrate calcs which don't properly take into consideration angles when calculating max bitrate...

I'll shoot you a new build of scenaid that has better bitrate calcs and proper maxbitrate settings..

your angle assets will have to be re-encoded as well

[hoops10]

That sounds weird. I didn't run into that problem when I backed up the Incredibles. I wonder why Angelus had that problem and I didn't.

@Angelus: Are you working on the R1 version? Also, are you trying to keep all the angles or just processing Angle 1?

[Angelus]

hmm...I really dont care if i keep the extra angles or not. I would be happy just keeping the regular angles and taking out the extra ones. How would you go about removing the extra angles (or more specifically determining which ones to remove?)

[D3s7]

removing them might be more of a pain then re-encoding... the angles are all small and won't take long to re-encode

just set your maxbitrate to 7800-audio (currently is 9800-audio)

mine for example (3 angles and the english+2 direct tracks) was 7032