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kramcd · 27th January 2010, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-Dron

It is felt that 23Hz in Win7 is native 23.987.
I'll check it tonight.
If this is true, then for content with 23.987 better set display mode with 23Hz.

Ok, interesting...

somy · 27th January 2010, 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-Dron

It is felt that 23Hz in Win7 is native 23.987.
I'll check it tonight.
If this is true, then for content with 23.987 better set display mode with 23Hz.

I've double checked this with powerstrip, only in W7 you need to choose 23HZ. in vista or XP just choose 24HZ.

decapitado · 27th January 2010, 12:39

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Originally Posted by X-Dron

kramcd
It is felt that 23Hz in Win7 is native 23.987.
I'll check it tonight.
If this is true, then for content with 23.987 better set display mode with 23Hz.
I'll change auto-change monitor mode in this case.

I confirm that, 23hz in win7 gives a smoother playback and a lot less dropped frames than 24hz.

kramcd · 27th January 2010, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by decapitado

I confirm that, 23hz in win7 gives a smoother playback and a lot less dropped frames than 24hz.

Hmm...I don't seem to have an option to choose 23Hz...is that a limitation of the graphics card (HD 4650)?

somy · 27th January 2010, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by kramcd

Hmm...I don't seem to have an option to choose 23Hz...is that a limitation of the graphics card (HD 4650)?

Add HDTV 1080 24P support in CCC.
When you select 23HZ, it will jump to 24HZ (crazy CCC), just ignore that

somy · 27th January 2010, 12:52

In theory I think 24P playback on 23HZ refresh rate should be smooth during most of time especially when you use Sync renderer, but we've found that it doesn't work well when you have dual monitors and aero enabled. I think a lot of people use two screens and run 24P on TV/60HZ on monitor.

pirlouy · 27th January 2010, 12:58

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Originally Posted by somy

My test result tonight is almost the same, basically I think MadVR only works well when aero is enabled.
In single screen mode, MadVR is super smooth in the beginning and after a while (20 minutes) it becomes laggy, I have to pause and then play to make it judder-free, do you have similar problem?

I'll try to test soon, even if I have never really test 24P because it has never be really usable (either tearing or judder), but now that I'm in mono screen, I have re-enabled Aero when watching video, so maybe it will be watchable !

Just to sum up: I'll try 1920x1080 24Hz, with Aero; I'll try madVR then EVR Sync (40 minutes videos). Today or tomorrow

decapitado · 27th January 2010, 13:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by somy

we've found that it doesn't work well when you have dual monitors and aero enabled.

So you suggest to disable aero when playing 24p material?

pirlouy · 27th January 2010, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by somy

I'm guessing maybe it's cause by Aero preview feature introduced after r1420

Interesting !!
I think it should be possible to disable (and even without regedit).

pirlouy · 27th January 2010, 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by decapitado

So you suggest to disable aero when playing 24p material?

When you're in dual screen,

Aero seems to not support if one screen is in 60Hz and other in another refresh rate. So yes, it is rather recommended to disable desktop composition if you're in dual screen and you use different refresh rates.
But without Aero it's possible you have tearing...

edigee · 27th January 2010, 13:08

Most of today's TV sets claim to have a variaty of "motion pulldown" algorythms implementated to make the movement smoother ,I'm wondering if they're useful for a 23.976 fps source to a 50 or 60 Hz TV dispaly,for example. I mean if we should keep all those sync. settings in MPC-HC ,reclocks ,and any others procedures or just let the TV to make that job....or both?
I'm asking that because I want to buy a full HD TV set for watching HD movies.
All my consideration to all the developers of the MPC-HC. They all make a great job!

somy · 27th January 2010, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by decapitado

So you suggest to disable aero when playing 24p material?

For MadVR, you cannot disable Aero otherwise you get tearing all the time. The only option is to disable one monitor.
For sync renderer, it should work with dual screen no aero, but there was some problem when I disabled desktop composition in r1557, ar-jar will fix it hopefully.

somy · 27th January 2010, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by pirlouy

I'll try to test soon, even if I have never really test 24P because it has never be really usable (either tearing or judder), but now that I'm in mono screen, I have re-enabled Aero when watching video, so maybe it will be watchable !

Just to sum up: I'll try 1920x1080 24Hz, with Aero; I'll try madVR then EVR Sync (40 minutes videos). Today or tomorrow

Thanks, is there any chance that you can try with the latest MPC-HC?
Anyway let's know the result, cheers!

somy · 27th January 2010, 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by pirlouy

Interesting !!
I think it should be possible to disable (and even without regedit).

I'll try r1420 tonight or tomorrow and I'll post test result.

somy · 27th January 2010, 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by edigee

Most of today's TV sets claim to have a variaty of "motion pulldown" algorythms implementated to make the movement smoother ,I'm wondering if they're useful for a 23.976 fps source to a 50 or 60 Hz TV dispaly,for example. I mean if we should keep all those sync. settings in MPC-HC ,reclocks ,and any others procedures or just let the TV to make that job....or both?
I'm asking that because I want to buy a full HD TV set for watching HD movies.
All my consideration to all the developers of the MPC-HC. They all make a great job!

You don't want 3:2 pulldown

You probably need frame creation, my AE3000 has that feature and it works better. The idea is to output pure 24P to TV and let TV to do the rest work (pull down or frame creation).

noee · 27th January 2010, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by somy

For MadVR, you cannot disable Aero otherwise you get tearing all the time. The only option is to disable one monitor.
For sync renderer, it should work with dual screen no aero, but there was some problem when I disabled desktop composition in r1557, ar-jar will fix it hopefully.

I use madVR for my movie playback with MPC-HC and I have a dual-mon set up with my playback monitor at 24Hz. I have Aero turned off, but I have my playback monitor as the number one device, but my other monitor, while the number 2 device, is set as "Primary".

I get perfect playback with MPC-HC/madVR/ffdshow/Reclock.

It might be worth a try.

somy · 27th January 2010, 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by noee

I use madVR for my movie playback with MPC-HC and I have a dual-mon set up with my playback monitor at 24Hz. I have Aero turned off, but I have my playback monitor as the number one device, but my other monitor, while the number 2 device, is set as "Primary".

I get perfect playback with MPC-HC/madVR/ffdshow/Reclock.

It might be worth a try.

This make me believe more that the problem is introduced by aero preview feature. In your case preview is on the same screen as MPC-HC, and in my case preview is on 1st screen while MPC-HC is on 2nd screen. This also explains:
1. if you turn off aero it works
2. if you use single monitor it works.

noee · 27th January 2010, 14:14

Not true. When I turn Aero on, the MPC aero preview shows on my "primary" monitor (not the playback monitor), so it's the same as your setup, if I am understanding. I have Aero off for other reasons.....

somy · 27th January 2010, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by noee

Not true. When I turn Aero on, the MPC aero preview shows on my "primary" monitor (not the playback monitor), so it's the same as your setup, if I am understanding. I have Aero off for other reasons.....

OK, you use ReClock, thta's why. I don't use ReClock.
ReClock does synchronization for you. BTW, you don't have tearing when aero is off? What version of MPC-HC do you use?

noee · 27th January 2010, 14:40

Yes, I use reclock, but I have Reclock vsynch turned off. Currently using MPC-HC b1557. Yes, no tearing with Aero off. I'm on Win7 Ult, x64, running a 32bit playback chain.

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27th January 2010, 12:52	#11566 \| Link
somy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 177	In theory I think 24P playback on 23HZ refresh rate should be smooth during most of time especially when you use Sync renderer, but we've found that it doesn't work well when you have dual monitors and aero enabled. I think a lot of people use two screens and run 24P on TV/60HZ on monitor.

27th January 2010, 13:08	#11571 \| Link
edigee Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 169	Most of today's TV sets claim to have a variaty of "motion pulldown" algorythms implementated to make the movement smoother ,I'm wondering if they're useful for a 23.976 fps source to a 50 or 60 Hz TV dispaly,for example. I mean if we should keep all those sync. settings in MPC-HC ,reclocks ,and any others procedures or just let the TV to make that job....or both? I'm asking that because I want to buy a full HD TV set for watching HD movies. All my consideration to all the developers of the MPC-HC. They all make a great job!

27th January 2010, 14:14	#11578 \| Link
noee Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 530	Not true. When I turn Aero on, the MPC aero preview shows on my "primary" monitor (not the playback monitor), so it's the same as your setup, if I am understanding. I have Aero off for other reasons.....

27th January 2010, 14:40	#11580 \| Link
noee Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 530	Yes, I use reclock, but I have Reclock vsynch turned off. Currently using MPC-HC b1557. Yes, no tearing with Aero off. I'm on Win7 Ult, x64, running a 32bit playback chain.