Jerky titles in Adobe Premiere

[King_Diamond]

Hello everyone.

I just finished a project in Premiere and exported it to an avi file. The problem is that that titles, especially credits look jerky.

I used the interlaced and lower field first but it shows same result on TFT or standard tv.

Can anyone help pls? If furthermore information is needed, pls tell me.

[theReal]

A little more information would probably be good:

Premiere Version? Video format (DV probably?)
How do you play the titles on tv (from graphics adapter to tv directly or do you record to DV tape and then play back on tv)?
Maybe you can upload a small part of the titles somewhere.

[King_Diamond]

Using Premiere 6 and Pro. Both same problem. Yes DV PAL.
I play titles directly from the video card, through tv out.
I tried exporting just the credits and playing them on their own but with same results.

[smok3]

is there some other editing software installed?
(the kind that will use its own codec and also took over the playback - with wrong field order ... , dunno, just guessing.)

[King_Diamond]

Sorry but can't understand what you mean. I have Sony DV Gate and Windows Movie Maker installed. Does it make a difference?

[smok3]

for example: if i edit something on liquid edition and i want to play that file later on some other machine with just native ms dv codecs, the field order will be wrong.

[King_Diamond]

So you are suggesting that i should switch field order?

By the way, titles are jerky even in Premiere's preview, ie before exporting.

[smok3]

can you post few frames? (jpegs will do) if not, please send to:
smok3.j at gmail dot come (only limit is 10 megs per one mail afaik)

[King_Diamond]

I captured a frame but it looks good as a frame. It's when it is moving that looks jerky.

I can send you a title if you want but you need premiere to open it.

[smok3]

then post a sekond or so of the most jerky part in dv-avi.

[King_Diamond]

Have a 2 sec but can't post it here. Do you mind if I email you?

[King_Diamond]

Ok. I zipped it. Here it is.

[King_Diamond]

I attached a zip file but can't see it in thread. Did I do something wrong?

[dionisos]

check on adamwilt (www.adamwilt.com) site
he got some tips and issues about field order, color bleeding and others pathologies about titles on NLE's

hope it help

[King_Diamond]

Attachment seems ok. Did anyone figure out the problem?

[smok3]

this SEEMS to have something to do with:
- dv and hardedged graphic (especially white on black will look horrible)
- using very tiny fonts for interlaced tv (not recommended) - you are better of with sans-serif like arial.

(from my experiments - good quality mpeg2 (interlaced) will look better than dv for this specific purpose...)

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you could try:

- reducing the contrast a bit (making white less white that is)
- generate that effect with some other software and import that into editor (like after effects, inscriber or something that will give you control on how hard the font edges will be...)
- use some other fonts
- do some other magic.

[theReal]

[QUOTE]this SEEMS to have something to do with:
- dv and hardedged graphic (especially white on black will look horrible)
- using very tiny fonts for interlaced tv (not recommended) - you are better of with sans-serif like arial.
[QUOTE]I also think it looks like that. I.e. if you have a graphic with 1pt or 2pt lines the lines will always flicker on interlaced tv, nothing you can do about it except use thicker lines...

[smok3]

http://url removed cos i need my web...or other stuff (cca 5 megs)
a similar example, just encoded with liquid edition (that uses pinnacles
dv codec (afaik), still crapy..., so the solutions are clear .)

[King_Diamond]

Sorry but didn't quiet understand what I should do. I have no other software to do titles except the premiere's built-in title editor. It has no line pts. Can you explain what I can do?

Wish to use same font and size.

Smok3, can't view link you posted. Does it uses a specific codec?

[King_Diamond]

Just got into Adobe forum and this problem is mentioned in many threads but no definite answer. Seems AE has same problem too.

Any good suggestions pls?