ac3/dts/mpa/wav delay+cut tool: v1.2.0.4

jsoto · 24th February 2004, 22:14

Hi all,
I've written a tool able to manage dts and ac3 for:
- cutting
- delay correction
- fix crc errors (only in ac3)

May be someone finds it useful...

[EDIT]: Deleted the links, not updated
Web sites
http://www.videohelp.com/~jsoto
http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/
[/EDIT]

Any bug report will be welcome

jsoto

patja · 25th February 2004, 03:04

Cool. I record HDTV programming and there are often errors in the AC3 audio that I've had to run through ac3fix. But then the audio would get out of synch with the video. Would I be correct in hoping that using this tool, with the option to replace CRC errors with Silience, would keep the audio in synch with the video?

I am trying it now.

What does the message "some basic parameters changed between frame #1 and this frame" mean? I get row after row of this message.

imel6 · 25th February 2004, 03:40

Nice. Lookign forward to more development -

multiple cuts at once
cut by frame

Thanks for the tool

daphy · 25th February 2004, 09:56

new developments are always welcome on this board

so let´s check it out

CYA Daphy

irulat · 25th February 2004, 10:17

Excellent work. Excuse the naievity, but would it be a big jump in capabilities for a tool to allow a volume change?

UNICO · 25th February 2004, 12:05

Great tool!

What about "delaycut.dll"? I'm afraid I wouldn't be the only one that would merge it into his own DVD->DivX app... or am I???

Thanks

Joan

SeeMoreDigital · 25th February 2004, 13:47

Fab tool!

Just used it to create a 000ms AC3 clip from a -300ms AC3 clip.

I then converted the AC3 stream to AAC stream prior to muxing with an XviD Mpeg4 video stream into an MP4 container!

Everything was very nicely in sync!

Over the past few weeks I've been experimenting with converting Mpeg2/AC3 .TS HiDef TV captures to anamorphic Mpeg4/AAC .MP4 and this tool looks like it can do the business!

However, you may not be aware that a lot of HiDef TV broadcasts in Japan use AAC audio (not AC3). And, when the AAC audio stream is demuxed from the Mpeg2 video stream the AAC stream becomes delayed....

So it would really be great if your tool could fix the delay in AAC audio streams too!

Cheers and many thanks

depressya · 25th February 2004, 17:25

cool tool

and what about normalizing tool for ac3 files?

it could be useful tool like this for videoclip compilations from different dvd's

gizmau · 25th February 2004, 20:13

@SeeMoreDigital

are you sure that your cutted track came out at 0ms?
afaik ac3 has fixed frame duration of 32ms, which would result in an offset of 12ms, which is virtually a zero-delay due to the frame duration of 40ms (pal).

i am if i remember right, but didnt besplit allready cut dts and aac, too? maybe its worth a try (again...).

jsoto · 25th February 2004, 20:56

Too much interest for this little prog (I found the reason, it was mentioned in doom9 news...)

Well, some clarifications:
- I've written this tool just to be able to cut dts tracks. The rest of features are already supported by freeware (ac3 delay corrector, BeSweet). I didn't know besplit was able to cut dts...
- This is a simple tool, which only manages frames.

@patja

Quote:

"some basic parameters changed between frame #1 and this frame.."

This message advices about a major change (bitrate, framesize, etc) between first frame and the current one. I know I have to modify this, only one message per change..
Target file calculations are done using framelength (taken from the first frame) so if there is a major change on this, probably the output file will be unuseful.

Quote:

with the option to replace CRC errors with Silence

This is the "normal" behavior of a tool like this (IIRC BeSweet does the same). But in the case of an uncompleted frame, you really do not know how many frames have been lost, and there is no way to recover the synch.

@imel6
multiple cuts at once: You can use CLI support. Seeking is fast.
cut by frame: I'll look into it, but I'm now busy in other stuff..

@irulat

Quote:

to allow a volume change?

delaycut is a very SIMPLE tool. Only cuts/adds frames, it is unable to decode, sorry. The maximum it could do is to change some BSI parameters (but IMHO it has no sense)

jsoto

xixi2000 · 26th February 2004, 03:53

Cool,2DISK DVD black frame ok?
try

irulat · 26th February 2004, 10:03

@jsoto

Quote:

delaycut is a very SIMPLE tool. Only cuts/adds frames, it is unable to decode, sorry. The maximum it could do is to change some BSI parameters (but IMHO it has no sense)

Thank's for the reply, all the same!

SeeMoreDigital · 26th February 2004, 21:08

Quote:

Originally posted by gizmau
@SeeMoreDigital

are you sure that your cutted track came out at 0ms?
afaik ac3 has fixed frame duration of 32ms, which would result in an offset of 12ms, which is virtually a zero-delay due to the frame duration of 40ms (pal)...

You're right. It was just a fluke that I managed to get the audio in sync with the video!

Anyway, speaking as a total beginner to this sort of application. Do you have any tips on how I can convert an AC3 file with -504ms delay to 000ms?

Cheers

jsoto · 27th February 2004, 18:24

@xixi2000

Quote:

2DISK DVD black frame ok?

What does it mean?

@SeeMoreDigital

Quote:

Do you have any tips on how I can convert an AC3 file with -504ms delay to 000ms?

Using this tool (or any other loseless one) you will be able to correct delay in frame steps (32 msec). This method gives a maximum of 1/2 frame (+-16 msec) of delay error. (Delaycut shows this error in the parameter NotFixedDelay of target file info).
For an exact delay correction you will need to reencode, which, IMHO, is a worse solution in terms of quality.

BTW, delay can also be corrected in a loseless way during DVD authoring (if this is final destination of the ac3 file).

jsoto

Trahald · 2nd March 2004, 05:48

Your app has a hard time with files fixed with the old ac3 delay corrector. It isnt able to detect the ac3/dts settings and therefor wont process the file. It does fine with files that ac3 corrector makes no correction on (ie you create a 'fix' file but without setting a delay) but with a delay , delaycut doesnt read it. the format might be slightly off after the delay, but everything else (scenarist, ac3 correcter itself, dvd lab etc) has no problem with the file. Just wondering if you can take a look at adding something so it can handle these files.

Thanx for the great app, btw.

jsoto · 2nd March 2004, 23:51

@Trahald

Quote:

the old ac3 delay corrector.

Which one?. I've tested v2.0 and v2.1b1 without any problems.
Could you give me more detailed info?
jsoto

Trahald · 3rd March 2004, 20:20

2.1.b.1

so far.. if i take an ac3.. and with 2.1.b.1 i set -212ms delay (made up a number for the example).. then i load that file into delaycut. delay cut will not pull any info about the ac3/dts and there for will fail to process the file

now if i take the new ac3 that 2.1.b.1 delay corrected, and run it through 2.1.b.1 again but with 0 delay (so essentially it just rewrites the file with a new name) .. the new file loads into delaycut fine.. shows all ac3 info and will perform any requested operations

it does it on every file ive tried it on that 2.1.b.1 has delay fixed. shows this message

Code:

====== INPUT FILE INFO ========================
File is          	unknown
=============================================
====== TARGET FILE INFO ======================
=============================================

if i load the same file through 2.1.b.1, it it shows all the details and if i make a new file from that file but with delay 0 - then rerun the new file with delay cut, delaycut shows the full ac3 details

example

Code:

====== INPUT FILE INFO ========================
File is          	ac3
Bitrate  (kbit/s) 	192
Act rate (kbit/s) 	192.000
File size (bytes)	139385088
Channels mode    	1/0: C
Low Frec Effects 	LFE: Not present
Duration         	01:36:47.712
Frame length (ms)	32.000000
Frames/second    	31.250000
Num of frames    	181491
Bytes per Frame  	768
Size % Framesize 	0
CRC present: 	YES
=============================================
====== TARGET FILE INFO ======================
Start Frame   	0
End Frame     	181490
Num of Frames 	181491
Duration      	01:36:47.712
NotFixedDelay 	0.0000
=============================================

jsoto · 3rd March 2004, 20:46

Humm, it's a mono track...

I never tested one, and not sure if I have access to one, could you cut one second and send it to me?

jsoto

Trahald · 4th March 2004, 01:32

that just happened to be one i picked.. same thing happens with DTS or 5.1 ac3

also the version i use is the one that is included with doitfast4u.. i dont know if its been altered at all.. i dont thing so.. but if you may want to use that version if your not already .. thanx

jsoto · 4th March 2004, 01:58

May be it's a little bit stupid, but delaycut needs file extensions .ac3 or .dts, are you changing it with ac3 delay corrector?.

I've tested several dts, 5.1 ac3 and 2/0 ac3 without any problems...

jsoto

24th February 2004, 22:14	#1 \| Link
jsoto Just a Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 2,067	ac3/dts/mpa/wav delay+cut tool: v1.2.1.0 Hi all, I've written a tool able to manage dts and ac3 for: - cutting - delay correction - fix crc errors (only in ac3) May be someone finds it useful... [EDIT]: Deleted the links, not updated Web sites http://www.videohelp.com/~jsoto http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/ [/EDIT] Any bug report will be welcome jsoto Last edited by jsoto; 1st January 2006 at 20:41.

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daphy Miles Freak Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 652	new developments are always welcome on this board so let´s check it out CYA Daphy __________________ CYA Daphy

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UNICO Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14	Great tool! What about "delaycut.dll"? I'm afraid I wouldn't be the only one that would merge it into his own DVD->DivX app... or am I??? Thanks Joan Last edited by UNICO; 25th February 2004 at 15:15.

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SeeMoreDigital Life's clearer in 4K UHD Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 12,227	Fab tool! Just used it to create a 000ms AC3 clip from a -300ms AC3 clip. I then converted the AC3 stream to AAC stream prior to muxing with an XviD Mpeg4 video stream into an MP4 container! Everything was very nicely in sync! Over the past few weeks I've been experimenting with converting Mpeg2/AC3 .TS HiDef TV captures to anamorphic Mpeg4/AAC .MP4 and this tool looks like it can do the business! However, you may not be aware that a lot of HiDef TV broadcasts in Japan use AAC audio (not AC3). And, when the AAC audio stream is demuxed from the Mpeg2 video stream the AAC stream becomes delayed.... So it would really be great if your tool could fix the delay in AAC audio streams too! Cheers and many thanks __________________ \| I've been testing hardware media playback devices and software A/V encoders and decoders since 2001 \| My Network Layout & A/V Gear \|

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	Your app has a hard time with files fixed with the old ac3 delay corrector. It isnt able to detect the ac3/dts settings and therefor wont process the file. It does fine with files that ac3 corrector makes no correction on (ie you create a 'fix' file but without setting a delay) but with a delay , delaycut doesnt read it. the format might be slightly off after the delay, but everything else (scenarist, ac3 correcter itself, dvd lab etc) has no problem with the file. Just wondering if you can take a look at adding something so it can handle these files. Thanx for the great app, btw. __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

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patja Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 29	Cool. I record HDTV programming and there are often errors in the AC3 audio that I've had to run through ac3fix. But then the audio would get out of synch with the video. Would I be correct in hoping that using this tool, with the option to replace CRC errors with Silience, would keep the audio in synch with the video? I am trying it now. What does the message "some basic parameters changed between frame #1 and this frame" mean? I get row after row of this message.

25th February 2004, 03:40	#3 \| Link
imel6 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 25	Nice. Lookign forward to more development - multiple cuts at once cut by frame Thanks for the tool

25th February 2004, 10:17	#5 \| Link
irulat Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 15	Excellent work. Excuse the naievity, but would it be a big jump in capabilities for a tool to allow a volume change?

25th February 2004, 17:25	#8 \| Link
depressya Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slovakia Posts: 56	cool tool and what about normalizing tool for ac3 files? it could be useful tool like this for videoclip compilations from different dvd's

25th February 2004, 20:13	#9 \| Link
gizmau Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 88	@SeeMoreDigital are you sure that your cutted track came out at 0ms? afaik ac3 has fixed frame duration of 32ms, which would result in an offset of 12ms, which is virtually a zero-delay due to the frame duration of 40ms (pal). i am if i remember right, but didnt besplit allready cut dts and aac, too? maybe its worth a try (again...).

26th February 2004, 03:53	#11 \| Link
xixi2000 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 29	Cool,2DISK DVD black frame ok? try

3rd March 2004, 20:20	#17 \| Link
Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	2.1.b.1 so far.. if i take an ac3.. and with 2.1.b.1 i set -212ms delay (made up a number for the example).. then i load that file into delaycut. delay cut will not pull any info about the ac3/dts and there for will fail to process the file now if i take the new ac3 that 2.1.b.1 delay corrected, and run it through 2.1.b.1 again but with 0 delay (so essentially it just rewrites the file with a new name) .. the new file loads into delaycut fine.. shows all ac3 info and will perform any requested operations it does it on every file ive tried it on that 2.1.b.1 has delay fixed. shows this message Code: ====== INPUT FILE INFO ======================== File is unknown ============================================= ====== TARGET FILE INFO ====================== ============================================= if i load the same file through 2.1.b.1, it it shows all the details and if i make a new file from that file but with delay 0 - then rerun the new file with delay cut, delaycut shows the full ac3 details example Code: ====== INPUT FILE INFO ======================== File is ac3 Bitrate (kbit/s) 192 Act rate (kbit/s) 192.000 File size (bytes) 139385088 Channels mode 1/0: C Low Frec Effects LFE: Not present Duration 01:36:47.712 Frame length (ms) 32.000000 Frames/second 31.250000 Num of frames 181491 Bytes per Frame 768 Size % Framesize 0 CRC present: YES ============================================= ====== TARGET FILE INFO ====================== Start Frame 0 End Frame 181490 Num of Frames 181491 Duration 01:36:47.712 NotFixedDelay 0.0000 ============================================= __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

3rd March 2004, 20:46	#18 \| Link
jsoto Just a Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 2,067	Humm, it's a mono track... I never tested one, and not sure if I have access to one, could you cut one second and send it to me? jsoto

4th March 2004, 01:32	#19 \| Link
Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	that just happened to be one i picked.. same thing happens with DTS or 5.1 ac3 also the version i use is the one that is included with doitfast4u.. i dont know if its been altered at all.. i dont thing so.. but if you may want to use that version if your not already .. thanx __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples? Last edited by Trahald; 4th March 2004 at 01:52.

4th March 2004, 01:58	#20 \| Link
jsoto Just a Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 2,067	May be it's a little bit stupid, but delaycut needs file extensions .ac3 or .dts, are you changing it with ac3 delay corrector?. I've tested several dts, 5.1 ac3 and 2/0 ac3 without any problems... jsoto

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