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20th March 2018, 11:15 | #49621 | Link |
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You still cannot request a bitdepth when you switch resolution, no.
Just wait for HDMI 2.1 to solve those annoying limitations. This always was a known short-coming of HDMI 2.0, and that it somehow happened to work by setting a bitdepth in the NVIDIA CP that doesn't actually work in all modes was more luck then by design. Everyone blames NVIDIA for this stuff not working, but they never consider that it maybe was never meant to work like this in the first place. The way to set this up is rather unintuitive, clearly not something that was meant to be used this way. Its not "broken" if it wasn't meant to ever function like this.
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20th March 2018, 11:37 | #49622 | Link |
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Do we know if hdmi 2.1 will come to nvidia cards. Dosnt it compete Ageinst there own sync software?
I feel many of the problems we have with htpc is becouse hdmi is horrible. Wouldnt hdmi 2.1 also finally rid us of all the sync problems, using reclock ect?
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20th March 2018, 13:07 | #49623 | Link |
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The primary advantage of HDMI 2.1 is increased bandwidth. Thats all thats really important. Finally you can use 4k@60Hz RGB with 10/12-bit without troubles.
Variable Refresh Rate rendering using any technology is unlikely to come to madVR anytime soon (or maybe ever). Using a VSYNC interrupt at a fixed rate has quite a lot of advantages for more accurate scheduling. Personally I don't really expect many TVs to even adopt that.
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20th March 2018, 14:26 | #49624 | Link | |
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To this day I can't understand why we can't have what normal CE devices have, especially with audio onboard of graphic cards, nowadays. |
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20th March 2018, 15:44 | #49626 | Link |
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Older drivers had no issue with multiple bit depth selection. I think this feature is simply broken. Why does it work until you reboot? It is obviously possible to make this happen, and it used to happen even after a reboot.
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20th March 2018, 16:12 | #49627 | Link |
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I have madVR set to "HDR Passthrough". In the OSD I see madVR converting BT2020 -> DCI-P3 for UHD HDR BT2020 material. Is this correct, and if that's the case, why? Monitor set to BT2020 calibrated.
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if (srcWidth > 1920) "2160p" else if (srcWidth <= 1920) and (srcHeight > 1080) "2160p" else if (srcWidth > 1280) and (srcWidth <= 1920) "1080p" else if (srcWidth <= 1280) and ((srcHeight > 720) and (srcHeight <= 1080)) "1080p" else if (srcWidth > 960) and (srcWidth <= 1280) "720p" else if (srcWidth <= 960) and ((srcHeight > 540) and (srcHeight <= 720)) "720p" else if (srcWidth <= 960) and (srcHeight <= 540) "SD" and this rule for RENDERING (thank you Manni) if (3D) "3D" else if (srcWidth <= 720) and (srcHeight <= 576)"SD" else if (srcWidth <= 1280) and (srcHeight <= 720)"720p" else if (srcWidth <= 1920) and (srcHeight <= 1080)"1080p" else if (srcWidth <= 3840) and (srcHeight <= 2160)"2160p" Quote:
Set file=%1 Set dummy=%file:iso=% IF NOT %dummy% == %file% (GOTO playiso) ELSE (goto playbdmv) : playbdmv set pth=%1 set pth=%pth:BDMV\MovieObject.bdmv=% set pth=%pth:BDMV\index.bdmv=% "C:\Program Files\MPC-HC\mpc-hc64.exe" %pth% exit exit : playiso "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\3D Vision\nvstlink.exe" /enable "C:\Program Files (x86)\Elaborate Bytes\VirtualCloneDrive\VCDMount.exe" /d=0 %1 "C:\Program Files\MPC-HC\mpc-hc64.exe" A: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Elaborate Bytes\VirtualCloneDrive\VCDMount.exe" /d=0 /u exit Quote:
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I doubt I will be upgrading all my hardware to HDMI 2.1 for so little in return. Seems I just did it for HDMI 2.0. When it becomes a big enough detriment and I miss out on can't live without functionality, I will consider another upgrade.
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On the other side they completely broke the Custom Resolutions in the last 3 driver releases. Nothing sticks. Reboot or no reboot. |
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20th March 2018, 18:00 | #49630 | Link |
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It would be nice if someone could clarify the requirements for 3D. I always try to pass this on to others. It started out much simpler.
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It also auto-switches the flag on and off properly.
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20th March 2018, 18:50 | #49632 | Link | |
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A 3D.mkv will still play anywhere a 2D will but you will not have menus. A 3D.iso (frame packed IE) requires a compliant player. MPC players are compliant using madVR + LAV Filter decoding without menus. PDVD is the only other player afaik and it's with menus. A way to mount the iso is a consideration. W10 has this built in. Other O/S's do not. Some players have a built in virtual mount, some don't and require one is added and to mount and dismount automatically. Either way, both use a drive letter visible or invisible. With AMD, it's reported their drivers sort everything out properly and automatically. Whether or not this is true or other caveats remain, I do not know. Intel graphics requires HDMI 1.4 and 2.0 is not backwards compatible. Considering UHD requires 2.0 minimum, users have to choose one or the other or manually swap ports. Nvidia requires stereoscopic enabled globally (Windows O/S) AND NVidia control panel stereoscopic enabled. I assume madVR 'when playing 3D content (engage)' is global only) and why I need to use a .bat (front end initiated for automation) to auto switch instead of manual switch nvstlink.exe aka stereoscopic in NCP. FSE vs windowed is hit or miss recommending FSE works for everyone and windowed works for some only. May be specific to GPU versions and not necessarily shared drivers. Can't think of anything else pertinent unless you have a specific question?
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20th March 2018, 19:04 | #49633 | Link |
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While on the subject of madVR not enabling stereoscopic at driver level or NVidia drivers doing what they should so external means doesn't have to pick up the slack, you are familiar with DSPlayer, a popular front end said to perform pretty flawless. In this stereoscopic automated aspect, does it perform? If not, can a playercorefactory be used with DSP like it can with the official version?
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I suggested to Madshi to change the sign he uses to convey this information, as I think it is confusing to many users, but for some reason he didn't think it was confusing so it's stayed like that because he is the boss . Quote:
But as far as I'm concerned, the latest 390.x drivers work fine, at least in 4K. I'm set to 4K23p with a custom refresh mode created by MadVR giving me a frame drop every 1-2 hours, and I use RGB 12bits 4:4:4. When I play 4K60p, the driver swaps automatically to 8bits 4:4:4. That survives a reboot and works fine here, as it has always done. There are two limitations that I am aware of: 1) Like all the drivers after 285.28, you have to select 12bits from a non custom refresh mode. Once a custom refresh mode is selected, the resolution is greyed out and can't be changed, but it's still 12bits in 23p and 8bits in 60p if 12bits was selected from a non-custom refresh mode (at 30p max). 2) Compatibility is broken with Asio4all and most Asio drivers. Thanks to a kind member, I was able to find Flexasio, which works fine with some limitations. So instead of making blanket statements simply because it doesn't work for you, please post details about your rig (OS version and build, GPU model, driver version) so that we can see if there is a common link between those for whom 390.x works fine, and those for whom 390.x doesn't work. My rig is detailed in my sig. By the way, 391.24 was just released today, I'm about to try it.
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Perhaps the key to make it stick after reboot is that you are using custom resolutions and others are not, including myself. But if this makes the difference, I will be using custom resolutions, as much as I don't prefer to, in a heart beat.
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Without a custom refresh mode, I get a frame drop every 5mn. With a custom refresh mode, I get a frame drop every 1-2 hours. Not really a question of choice, the GPU is unusable for video playback without it. I also always do a DDU + Advanced/Clean install of the drivers, in case it helps. This means I re-create my custom refresh mode and set my parameters in NV CP after each driver install.
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Sorry. I admit my terminology ignorance at times. "Custom refresh modes". "Not really a question of choice, the GPU is unusable for video playback without it." That is a blanket statement, lol.
I've been using DDU advanced for my last 20 or so driver changes also. I reco it with you too. Good suggestion. I know how much work it is to clean, install, adjust, and test. And should it fail, do that all over again to revert. Would you be so kind as to report your findings back here on the new driver? I confess, I'm lazy today but a positive confirmation will motivate me and crossing fingers your success will reflect for myself especially regarding 3D (I know you require) and 8/12bit retention. TIA.
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I've just made a note of the steps I follow to update the driver:
1) Reboot Windows in safe mode and run DDU to clean the old driver 2) Install the new driver with advanced / clean install 3) In NV control panel, select adaptive instead of optimal, set nvidia parameters to RGB Full 4:4:4 12bits and select 4K30p refresh rate (standard UHD resolution for me). Setup Digital Audio (7.1 or Atmos, disable all enhancements). 4) In MadVR display/custom modes tab, create a custom mode for 23p (follow the instructions in the first post to do this). I simply use the EDID/CTA set which gives me a frame drop every 1-2 hours, from a frame drop every 5mn with a standard resolution. 5) Reset the GPU with MadVR 6) Select the 4K23p custom mode (you might need to reboot before it appears in the list of custom resolutions). The bit depth is greyed out but it's still 12bits. You cannot change it with post 385.28 unless you select a standard mode, but it should switch to 8bits automatically if you play 60p content, and swap back to 12bits afterward. At least that's how it works here. 7) 3D only works here with batch files. Anything else doesn't stick, at least here. I also need FSE (only for 3D), otherwise, it switches to 1080p23FP but the picture is still in 2D. I provided the details of the batch files somewhere in this thread. If this doesn't work for you, please provide the detail of your rig as requested earlier (OS version and build, GPU model and driver, HDMI version supported, default resolution / refresh rate) so we can see if there is a common pattern. If it does work for you, please do the same. I'm hoping I'm not the only one for whom this works! I have only tested this with a default resolution of 4K23p. It might not work with a default resolution of 1080p (although in this case you should be able to keep 12bits all the time, so not sure why there should be an issue).
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Here is a direct link. Maybe this will work? https://i.imgur.com/QuV5CVT.jpg
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direct compute, dithering, error diffusion, madvr, ngu, nnedi3, quality, renderer, scaling, uhd upscaling, upsampling |
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