Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Command Line Encoder - Page 13

Ivan Dimkovic · 17th May 2006, 23:22

Nero Digital logo exists - Nero Digital Audio is coming soon.

Now, I must remind concerned people that the usage of Nero Digital / Nero Digital Audio logos in third-party products is not allowed without certification.

siddharthagandhi · 17th May 2006, 23:56

Yes, but he can use the logos that SeeMoreDigital and the other guy created...right?....

those weren't created by Nero so they should be legal...

Ivan Dimkovic · 18th May 2006, 00:10

Hate to be the nitpick

But they do incorporate offical Nero logo in their design - which might violate copyright.

Kostarum Rex Persia · 18th May 2006, 01:03

Ivan, when we will see updated version of Nero Burning Rom package, and Recode 2.

Excuse me, but programs that I use, do not use official Nero logo in their design.

Ivan Dimkovic · 18th May 2006, 07:25

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Originally Posted by Kostarum Rex Persia

Ivan, when we will see updated version of Nero Burning Rom package, and Recode 2.

NBR and Recode are updated in regular scheduled Nero updates.

Quote:

Excuse me, but programs that I use, do not use official Nero logo in their design.

I was refering to an idea posted here to design custom Nero Digital Audio logos, that incorporate official Nero branding, and nothing else.

dimzon · 18th May 2006, 08:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan Dimkovic

Now, I must remind concerned people that the usage of Nero Digital / Nero Digital Audio logos in third-party products is not allowed without certification.

Does it mean I can't use ND logo in GUI for your CLI encoder? I'm using your own (written by yourselfes) encoder, so why not?

GodofaGap · 18th May 2006, 08:43

Because you will have to be granted permission to use it first. Otherwise you would be in violation of copyright law.

I'm sure you understand that Nero wants to do some quality assurance on products/software that use their certification logos.

stax76 · 18th May 2006, 09:12

Next time don't ask and nobody will complain...

BeLight uses the logo as well...

DnA · 18th May 2006, 10:54

@Nero engineers

Do you have any idea, why -2pass -br sounds worse than just -br? I really like the 2pass encoding and do not have any slight idea, why it sounds worse than one pass encoding.

Ivan Dimkovic · 18th May 2006, 11:03

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Does it mean I can't use ND logo in GUI for your CLI encoder? I'm using your own (written by yourselfes) encoder, so why not?

Because having a Nero Digital logo on the device/product means that the device is:

- Certified under strict requirements and QA verification
- Nero logo really stands for the quality of audio of this product

And all above means - for the entire product.

Free AAC encoder we are talking about here, is free for personal and noncommercial use - and this is the license condition one has to accept in order to use this free product.

So this license does not include bundling/redistribution with third party applications, also it does not include right to use Nero copyrighted intellectual property - such as logos.

Also, in addition to this - even if we wanted to give free right to bundle Nero AAC encoder with 3-party applications, or give right for commercial use, this would be in violation of the AAC patent license agreement "annual cap" rule, and we would certainly not be in position to provide encoder free of charge anymore.

So, I think the solution as it is now is the best for the users and community - encoding software is free of charge, and available by download from Nero - for non-commercial and personal use.

Everything else (distribution, bundling, etc...), including the logo usage is not granted with this free license - people willing to gain such rights should contact Nero directly.

Ivan Dimkovic · 18th May 2006, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by DnA

@Nero engineers

Do you have any idea, why -2pass -br sounds worse than just -br? I really like the 2pass encoding and do not have any slight idea, why it sounds worse than one pass encoding.

It could theoretically happen as ABR (-br) could allocate more bits than limited by 2-pass encoding. Please send us the samples and we will check.

DnA · 18th May 2006, 11:45

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Originally Posted by Ivan Dimkovic

Please send us the samples and we will check.

The audio sample that I used was the sound of the 20th Century Fox intro in "Fight Club" movie (DTS converted via BeHappy (NicDtsSource.dll) to 6 channel WAV). I suppose it will happen also on other 20th CF movies intros. The beginning has a lot of artifacts.

I hope that this will help to find the problem.

Otherwise, congratulations for the perfect encoder.

Kurtnoise · 18th May 2006, 14:33

About ND logos and graphics :

http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/Nero_Digital.html
http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/Main_profiles.html
http://www.nero.com/nerodigital/eng/copyright.html

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Documents available on this web site

Permission to use documents and related graphics available from this server ("Server") is granted, provided that:

* The copyright notice below appears in all copies and that both the copyright notice and this permission notice appear.
© 2004 Nero AG, Karlsbad, Germany. All rights reserved.
* Use of documents and related graphics available from this Server is for informational and non-commercial or personal use only.
* No documents and related graphics available from this Server are modified in any way.
* No graphics available from this Server are used separately from accompanying text.
.....

GodofaGap · 18th May 2006, 16:08

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* No graphics available from this Server are used separately from accompanying text.

Including the accompanying text with the certfication logo's is a bit troublesome for a GUI...

dimzon · 18th May 2006, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan Dimkovic

- Certified under strict requirements and QA verification
- Nero logo really stands for the quality of audio of this product

Does'nt Your own CLI encoder meet this requrements.
I just want to show ND logo in configuration form to show encoder's orign and make GUI eye-candy look...

Samples:

Ivan Dimkovic · 18th May 2006, 16:39

No, just having our encoder supported does not mean granting the right to logo use.

I am, however, not the person to grant you right to use Nero Digital / Nero Digitial Audio logos in your software - I just want to keep people informed with the right information.

For example, other companies have rules as well (e.g. Dolby) with regards to usage of their Logo, too.

SeeMoreDigital · 18th May 2006, 16:47

Hi Ivan,

Logo permissions permitting... You've got to admit Dimzon's proposal sure looks cool though

Cheers

Carpo · 18th May 2006, 16:55

sure looks pukka

Romario · 19th May 2006, 02:08

I don't know why you guys arguing about logo, if Ivan says it's illegal to use it, then don't put logo in your GUI. Simple as that.

siddharthagandhi · 19th May 2006, 02:41

Hey dimzon that last screenshot is from what software?

And he didnt say it was illegal. He said you need permission.

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Ivan Dimkovic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 67	Nero Digital logo exists - Nero Digital Audio is coming soon. Now, I must remind concerned people that the usage of Nero Digital / Nero Digital Audio logos in third-party products is not allowed without certification.

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siddharthagandhi Go Nero Digital Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 466	Yes, but he can use the logos that SeeMoreDigital and the other guy created...right?.... those weren't created by Nero so they should be legal...

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Ivan Dimkovic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 67	Hate to be the nitpick But they do incorporate offical Nero logo in their design - which might violate copyright.

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Kostarum Rex Persia Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: Serbia Posts: 560	Ivan, when we will see updated version of Nero Burning Rom package, and Recode 2. Excuse me, but programs that I use, do not use official Nero logo in their design.

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GodofaGap Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 823	Because you will have to be granted permission to use it first. Otherwise you would be in violation of copyright law. I'm sure you understand that Nero wants to do some quality assurance on products/software that use their certification logos.

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Ivan Dimkovic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 67	No, just having our encoder supported does not mean granting the right to logo use. I am, however, not the person to grant you right to use Nero Digital / Nero Digitial Audio logos in your software - I just want to keep people informed with the right information. For example, other companies have rules as well (e.g. Dolby) with regards to usage of their Logo, too.

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siddharthagandhi Go Nero Digital Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 466	Hey dimzon that last screenshot is from what software? And he didnt say it was illegal. He said you need permission.

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