New ffdshow build (?) - Page 3

celtic_druid · 15th September 2005, 15:43

2nd pass filesize set to 5,000kB
results:
avi = 5,014kB
ogg = 5,042kB

2nd pass filesize set to 2,000kB
results:
avi = 2,154kB
ogg = 2,161kB

Seems to be working ok to me.

Chaos Creator · 15th September 2005, 21:14

For me:

2nd pass filesize set to 8,192kB
results:
8,164

2nd pass filesize set to 12,288kB
results:
9,116

2nd pass filesize set to 10,240kB
results:
9,116

2nd pass filesize set to 20,480kB
results:
9,116

2nd pass filesize set to 5,120kB
results:
5,136

I tried many different filesizes! It seems that if you set a filesize that ffdshow thinks is much more than needed, then it cut it down to what it believes that is better, but the quality of video is always bad!!!!

LigH · 15th September 2005, 21:34

Do you understand the meaning of "saturation"? 9,116 KB seems to be the size for a constant lowest-possible quantization, therefore maximum quality possible. So, try to compare with CQ more if the results are similar -- if not, then it may indeed be wrong.

Chaos Creator · 15th September 2005, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by LigH

Do you understand the meaning of "saturation"? 9,116 KB seems to be the size for a constant lowest-possible quantization, therefore maximum quality possible. So, try to compare with CQ more if the results are similar -- if not, then it may indeed be wrong.

I will post some frames to see your self!!!

LigH · 15th September 2005, 22:02

Would be nice.

And, BTW: Please, don't misunderstand me - sometimes I sound a bit demanding, but just accidently, I'm not a native english speaker...

Chaos Creator · 15th September 2005, 22:37

Hey, I am not a native english speaker either!!!

I didn't misunderstood you!

Ok, let's see!!!

Source
Source

--------------------------------------
Filesize Set to 20,480
Actual filesize 20,496
encode1

--------------------------------------
Filesize Set to 25,600
Actual filesize 23,368
encode2

--------------------------------------
Filesize Set to 30,720
Actual filesize 23,368
encode3

Yes, the last two results (which have the same exact actual filesize) are similar! It seems that we have the maximum quality possible!
Then the only thing I've got to say is that I am really dissapointed from the quality!

The first time I saw all this detail to go away, I thought that I've done something wrong!!!!

movax · 15th September 2005, 22:40

That loss might be what it looks at max quality or whatnot...you still don't want to saturate the codec. Try using some filters to fix it up instead.

Chaos Creator · 15th September 2005, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by movax

That loss might be what it looks at max quality or whatnot...you still don't want to saturate the codec. Try using some filters to fix it up instead.

I wanted to see how good can this codec compress a video! Using filters to saturate more, is not an option for me! I don't like to put filters in my dvd backups for any reason! I really prefer to wait a year or two of development and see the codec to encode better and to keep more detail on its own!! I know, it might sound strange what I am saying, but that's me!!!

Chaos Creator · 16th September 2005, 10:25

I tried to make some videos with ffmpeg2theora 0.15 with (--videoquality 10) and the video quality I got was really great! I think now that there must be something wrong with ffdshow. Maybe in the 2-pass mode it provides! Ffdshow doesn't keep any quality, even at highest filesize I set to it. Ffmpeg2theora gave me great results!!!

Liisachan · 20th September 2005, 17:23

celtic_druid's 20050920 is out.

I got 500GB/mo bw for this mirror, but (it's a darn cheap server and) might be slower.
http://ffdshow.faireal.net/

This server might be faster, tho the bw is more limited here:
http://m17n.cool.ne.jp/freeware/mpc/

movax · 20th September 2005, 18:32

I just compiled a ffd yesterday for the CCCP, waiting on test reports on that one to see how it turned out.

And I can provide a 300GB/mo, avg. 500kb/s mirror if you really want one.

Liisachan · 21st September 2005, 00:09

You can mirror the files.
That is your right, not your duty.
Those are free software.

Egh · 21st September 2005, 01:02

I wouldn't haste too much to upgrade to a newer build (0920).

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...61&atid=471489

I experienced problems with h264 playback, and according to log, several fixes were applied to that part of the ffdshow, as i recall. Maybe it's only due to some optimisations not working or so (athlon xp cpu). But 0920 does play same video fragment encoded in avc noticable slower than 0909 does (or at least on my system it did), so I rolled back to 0909 atm.

celtic_druid · 21st September 2005, 01:56

Well for 0920 I am testing icl/gcc for libavcodec. As a rule I just use gcc. If it turns out to be slower I will simply switch back.

clsid · 21st September 2005, 12:54

Here are some alternative compilations:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QZCV2JJ8

Comments on stability and speed are very welcome. Don't forget to mention your cpu brand, type and clockspeed.

bob0r · 21st September 2005, 13:56

Mirrors aren't really a problem.
I got plenty on x264.nl

ffdshow-20050920.exe is a big file again, i assume its ICL?
Can you compile a MSVC71.exe version again too?
I really prefer stability over speed.

Creating x264 revision 295 test files now (.avi/.mp4/.mkv/.264)

movax · 21st September 2005, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by celtic_druid

Well for 0920 I am testing icl/gcc for libavcodec. As a rule I just use gcc. If it turns out to be slower I will simply switch back.

In the past week or two, bug reports have come floating in about module violations in ffdshow.ax, which have been fixed by going to the libavcodec.dll full, not the libavcodec_dec.dll. As of 9/18 or so, it still seems to borkened. Not too big of a deal really, except adding 500kb of filesize + the encoders.

Liisachan · 21st September 2005, 14:41

clsid: How can I download the RAR file from that page? Nothing happens for me. I'm on Firefox and JavaScript is enabled (but Flash is disabled).

bob0r: My problem is huge sites such as betanews.com direct-link to my poor pages, hogging the servers' resources. They should link to powerful servers like yours. I got a cheap virtual dedicated server for this but it's not powerful enough. Maybe I should get a real dedicated server. big ouch money-wise...

celtic_druid · 21st September 2005, 15:18

I just pressed the press here to download button and it worked. Had to wait ~45secs first though.

Liisachan · 21st September 2005, 15:47

Worked.

Testing...

15th September 2005, 21:34	#43 \| Link
LigH German doom9/Gleitz SuMo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany, rural Altmark Posts: 6,779	Do you understand the meaning of "saturation"? 9,116 KB seems to be the size for a constant lowest-possible quantization, therefore maximum quality possible. So, try to compare with CQ more if the results are similar -- if not, then it may indeed be wrong. Last edited by LigH; 15th September 2005 at 21:36.

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Chaos Creator Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14	Hey, I am not a native english speaker either!!! I didn't misunderstood you! Ok, let's see!!! Source Source -------------------------------------- Filesize Set to 20,480 Actual filesize 20,496 encode1 -------------------------------------- Filesize Set to 25,600 Actual filesize 23,368 encode2 -------------------------------------- Filesize Set to 30,720 Actual filesize 23,368 encode3 Yes, the last two results (which have the same exact actual filesize) are similar! It seems that we have the maximum quality possible! Then the only thing I've got to say is that I am really dissapointed from the quality! The first time I saw all this detail to go away, I thought that I've done something wrong!!!! Last edited by Chaos Creator; 15th September 2005 at 22:44.

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Liisachan 李姗倩 Lǐ Shān Qiàn Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,340	celtic_druid's 20050920 is out. I got 500GB/mo bw for this mirror, but (it's a darn cheap server and) might be slower. http://ffdshow.faireal.net/ This server might be faster, tho the bw is more limited here: http://m17n.cool.ne.jp/freeware/mpc/ Last edited by Liisachan; 21st September 2005 at 00:06.

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15th September 2005, 15:43	#41 \| Link
celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,171	2nd pass filesize set to 5,000kB results: avi = 5,014kB ogg = 5,042kB 2nd pass filesize set to 2,000kB results: avi = 2,154kB ogg = 2,161kB Seems to be working ok to me.

15th September 2005, 21:14	#42 \| Link
Chaos Creator Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14	For me: 2nd pass filesize set to 8,192kB results: 8,164 2nd pass filesize set to 12,288kB results: 9,116 2nd pass filesize set to 10,240kB results: 9,116 2nd pass filesize set to 20,480kB results: 9,116 2nd pass filesize set to 5,120kB results: 5,136 I tried many different filesizes! It seems that if you set a filesize that ffdshow thinks is much more than needed, then it cut it down to what it believes that is better, but the quality of video is always bad!!!!

15th September 2005, 22:02	#45 \| Link
LigH German doom9/Gleitz SuMo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Germany, rural Altmark Posts: 6,779	Would be nice. And, BTW: Please, don't misunderstand me - sometimes I sound a bit demanding, but just accidently, I'm not a native english speaker...

15th September 2005, 22:40	#47 \| Link
movax Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 217	That loss might be what it looks at max quality or whatnot...you still don't want to saturate the codec. Try using some filters to fix it up instead.

16th September 2005, 10:25	#49 \| Link
Chaos Creator Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 14	I tried to make some videos with ffmpeg2theora 0.15 with (--videoquality 10) and the video quality I got was really great! I think now that there must be something wrong with ffdshow. Maybe in the 2-pass mode it provides! Ffdshow doesn't keep any quality, even at highest filesize I set to it. Ffmpeg2theora gave me great results!!!

20th September 2005, 18:32	#51 \| Link
movax Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 217	I just compiled a ffd yesterday for the CCCP, waiting on test reports on that one to see how it turned out. And I can provide a 300GB/mo, avg. 500kb/s mirror if you really want one.

21st September 2005, 00:09	#52 \| Link
Liisachan 李姗倩 Lǐ Shān Qiàn Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,340	You can mirror the files. That is your right, not your duty. Those are free software.

21st September 2005, 01:02	#53 \| Link
Egh Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 630	I wouldn't haste too much to upgrade to a newer build (0920). http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...61&atid=471489 I experienced problems with h264 playback, and according to log, several fixes were applied to that part of the ffdshow, as i recall. Maybe it's only due to some optimisations not working or so (athlon xp cpu). But 0920 does play same video fragment encoded in avc noticable slower than 0909 does (or at least on my system it did), so I rolled back to 0909 atm.

21st September 2005, 01:56	#54 \| Link
celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,171	Well for 0920 I am testing icl/gcc for libavcodec. As a rule I just use gcc. If it turns out to be slower I will simply switch back.

21st September 2005, 12:54	#55 \| Link
clsid ***** Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,646	Here are some alternative compilations: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QZCV2JJ8 Comments on stability and speed are very welcome. Don't forget to mention your cpu brand, type and clockspeed.

21st September 2005, 13:56	#56 \| Link
bob0r Pain and suffering Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,337	Mirrors aren't really a problem. I got plenty on x264.nl ffdshow-20050920.exe is a big file again, i assume its ICL? Can you compile a MSVC71.exe version again too? I really prefer stability over speed. Creating x264 revision 295 test files now (.avi/.mp4/.mkv/.264)

21st September 2005, 14:41	#58 \| Link
Liisachan 李姗倩 Lǐ Shān Qiàn Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,340	clsid: How can I download the RAR file from that page? Nothing happens for me. I'm on Firefox and JavaScript is enabled (but Flash is disabled). bob0r: My problem is huge sites such as betanews.com direct-link to my poor pages, hogging the servers' resources. They should link to powerful servers like yours. I got a cheap virtual dedicated server for this but it's not powerful enough. Maybe I should get a real dedicated server. big ouch money-wise...

21st September 2005, 15:18	#59 \| Link
celtic_druid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,171	I just pressed the press here to download button and it worked. Had to wait ~45secs first though.

21st September 2005, 15:47	#60 \| Link
Liisachan 李姗倩 Lǐ Shān Qiàn Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,340	Worked. Testing...