x264 w/ 3:2 pulldown and hrd - Page 8

Sagittaire · 11th September 2007, 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trahald

That is an updated hrd patch.. but has the same problem i had to fix.. missing trailing bits call(s)

The most important patch is x264_2pass_vbv.diff
http://jfl1974.free.fr/HDDVD/Patch.rar

This patch active really vbv control (not perfect anyway) in multipass mode. There are patch from Gabriel Bouvigne for Bframe improvement. There are patch from Dark Shikari for quality improvement. There are interessing patch for fgm.

Sharktooth · 11th September 2007, 14:22

the fgm patch is a bit useless...
there's no grain analysis at all

Sagittaire · 11th September 2007, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharktooth

the fgm patch is a bit useless...
there's no grain analysis at all

It's just here for multiplexing test ... anyway it's true useless for quality at this time

Trahald · 12th September 2007, 06:37

x264_669i_pulldown has been verified as working on HD-E1

Sagittaire · 12th September 2007, 07:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trahald

x264_669i_pulldown has been verified as working on HD-E1

This build have the new 2 pass patch ... ?

Sharktooth · 12th September 2007, 14:21

why not using r675?!?

Sagittaire · 12th September 2007, 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharktooth

why not using r675?!?

You can make expirimental build with these interessing patch ... ?
http://jfl1974.free.fr/HDDVD/Patch.rar

PS: your PM box is full

Sharktooth · 12th September 2007, 16:25

yeah i know, my PM box is full on purpouse

however i cant make builds here.

Trahald · 12th September 2007, 17:28

ugh.. cause patching is a pain. have to do alot by hand (patch.exe didnt like the new motion search patches.. some patches edit the same info.. etc) . Besides, the only real changes were in 674/675 and those were vbv related where the current vbv options are sufficient for hd . I'll redo them w/latest 675 later..

i'll diff out the differences of 675 from 669 and patch my patched file

Sharktooth · 12th September 2007, 17:37

may be interesting.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129842

Sagittaire · 12th September 2007, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trahald

ugh.. cause patching is a pain. have to do alot by hand (patch.exe didnt like the new motion search patches.. some patches edit the same info.. etc) . Besides, the only real changes were in 674/675 and those were vbv related where the current vbv options are sufficient for hd . I'll redo them w/latest 675 later..

i'll diff out the differences of 675 from 669 and patch my patched file

I fact like I say the current Rate Control work very bad with vbv compliancy if average bitrate is close to max bitrate in multipass mode. x264_2pass_vbv.diff produce a very improved Rate Control in multipass mode.

Trahald · 12th September 2007, 19:12

Ok 675a_pulldown is available.. pulldown patch wise it is the same as 669i. only difference is its up to date on x264 changes and has a bunch of patches. including 2pass vbv update.

Trahald · 18th September 2007, 22:08

Just an fyi.. i think this is known but just in case... B-pyramid is NOT available for HDDVD standard content. b-pyramid is only usable for bluray with 3 b-frames where pulldown isnt required. (h264info intended only for hddvd pulldown)

3-b-frame/b-pyramid with hddvd may be an option on advanced content. havent been able to check that.

dattrax · 19th September 2007, 22:44

Is the patch source still valid on the web site? I've used it to fix the problem that interlaced coding never worked properly as the SEI block was missing for tff/bff. I want to post my slight mods back, but if there is a newer version then it will be out of sync.

Jim

Trahald · 20th September 2007, 21:04

i just put up the diff (4) that is used for 675. the only difference between it and the patch that was up prior to today is the trailing bits fix.

lemme shoot you another pm.

dattrax · 21st September 2007, 23:32

Thanks for that. I've tested my patch to your patch on the HD-E1 and interlace coding works perfectly now. basically if you select --interlace you get --nal-hrd + the correct pic_struct to support the field order --interlace gives you tff which is also supported by an alias (--tff) and if you say --bff then you get the opposite.

Thanks for your hard work... We can now do pulldown and interlace on HD-DVD standard

dattrax · 23rd September 2007, 17:27

Here's your patch back with the interlace modes fixed. x264 always created frame pictures even when --interlace was selected, so didn't ever work in a standalone decoder.

As I mentioned --tff on the command line causes --nal-hrd + --interlace + the correct signalling in the SEI block. --bff has the same effect but with different field order.

I have tested on my HD-E1. works flawlessly

Jim

morph166955 · 23rd September 2007, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharktooth

http://www.benswebs.com/x264_thread_pool.04a.r670.diff

Thread pool patch was updated to r678 and moved to http://www.benswebs.com/public/x264/....04b.r678.diff

stevencday · 14th November 2007, 00:19

Can I do pulldown using x264 for a 23.976 720p stream? I am trying to get away from using h264info for the pulldown and I am intending on making an HD-DVD compliant 720p stream... Help!

lazyn00b · 14th November 2007, 03:35

Hi, I'm also having problems with 720p. Here is my (2nd pass) command line:

Code:

"C:\Program Files\x264_675a_pulldown\x264.exe" --pass 2 --bitrate 4000 --stats "D:\Projects\Trailers\ial720p.stats" --level 4.1 --keyint 12 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --no-fast-pskip --bframes 2 --bime --weightb --filter -1,-1 --trellis 1 --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --vbv-bufsize 14745 --vbv-maxrate 12000 --threads auto --thread-input --sar 1:1 --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "D:\Projects\Trailers\ial720p.264" "D:\Projects\Trailers\ial720p.avs" --sar 1:1 --aud --nal-hrd --pulldown 64

Notice I used --pulldown 64 to get 59.94 from a 23.976 stream; this is necessary because Scenarist only seems to accept 720p59.94. Disturbingly, Scenarist reports the time length of the stream as half what it should be. Also, when I author it and play it on my Toshiba, there is severe stuttering and audio dropouts. On the other hand, when I use a similar command line (except using --pulldown 32) for 480p or 1080p, I get perfectly smooth playback and audio sync.

Anybody have any suggestions?

11th September 2007, 14:22	#142 \| Link
Sharktooth Mr. Sandman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Haddonfield, IL Posts: 11,768	the fgm patch is a bit useless... there's no grain analysis at all __________________ MPEG-4 ASP Custom Matrices: EQM V1(old), EQM AutoGK Sharpmatrix (aka EQM V2), EQM V3HR (updated 01/10/2004), EQM V3LR, EQM V3ULR (updated 04/02/2005), EQM V3UHR (updated 17/12/2004) and EQM V3EHR (updated 05/10/2004) Info about my ASP matrices. MPEG-4 AVC Custom Matrices: EQM AVC-HR Info about my AVC matrices My x264 builds. Mooo!!!

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	x264_669i_pulldown has been verified as working on HD-E1 __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

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Sharktooth Mr. Sandman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Haddonfield, IL Posts: 11,768	why not using r675?!? __________________ MPEG-4 ASP Custom Matrices: EQM V1(old), EQM AutoGK Sharpmatrix (aka EQM V2), EQM V3HR (updated 01/10/2004), EQM V3LR, EQM V3ULR (updated 04/02/2005), EQM V3UHR (updated 17/12/2004) and EQM V3EHR (updated 05/10/2004) Info about my ASP matrices. MPEG-4 AVC Custom Matrices: EQM AVC-HR Info about my AVC matrices My x264 builds. Mooo!!!

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Sharktooth Mr. Sandman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Haddonfield, IL Posts: 11,768	yeah i know, my PM box is full on purpouse however i cant make builds here. __________________ MPEG-4 ASP Custom Matrices: EQM V1(old), EQM AutoGK Sharpmatrix (aka EQM V2), EQM V3HR (updated 01/10/2004), EQM V3LR, EQM V3ULR (updated 04/02/2005), EQM V3UHR (updated 17/12/2004) and EQM V3EHR (updated 05/10/2004) Info about my ASP matrices. MPEG-4 AVC Custom Matrices: EQM AVC-HR Info about my AVC matrices My x264 builds. Mooo!!!

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Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	ugh.. cause patching is a pain. have to do alot by hand (patch.exe didnt like the new motion search patches.. some patches edit the same info.. etc) . Besides, the only real changes were in 674/675 and those were vbv related where the current vbv options are sufficient for hd . I'll redo them w/latest 675 later.. i'll diff out the differences of 675 from 669 and patch my patched file __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

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Sharktooth Mr. Sandman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Haddonfield, IL Posts: 11,768	may be interesting. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=129842 __________________ MPEG-4 ASP Custom Matrices: EQM V1(old), EQM AutoGK Sharpmatrix (aka EQM V2), EQM V3HR (updated 01/10/2004), EQM V3LR, EQM V3ULR (updated 04/02/2005), EQM V3UHR (updated 17/12/2004) and EQM V3EHR (updated 05/10/2004) Info about my ASP matrices. MPEG-4 AVC Custom Matrices: EQM AVC-HR Info about my AVC matrices My x264 builds. Mooo!!!

12th September 2007, 19:12	#152 \| Link
Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	Ok 675a_pulldown is available.. pulldown patch wise it is the same as 669i. only difference is its up to date on x264 changes and has a bunch of patches. including 2pass vbv update. __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

18th September 2007, 22:08	#153 \| Link
Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	Just an fyi.. i think this is known but just in case... B-pyramid is NOT available for HDDVD standard content. b-pyramid is only usable for bluray with 3 b-frames where pulldown isnt required. (h264info intended only for hddvd pulldown) 3-b-frame/b-pyramid with hddvd may be an option on advanced content. havent been able to check that. __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples?

19th September 2007, 22:44	#154 \| Link
dattrax Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: UK Posts: 110	Is the patch source still valid on the web site? I've used it to fix the problem that interlaced coding never worked properly as the SEI block was missing for tff/bff. I want to post my slight mods back, but if there is a newer version then it will be out of sync. Jim

20th September 2007, 21:04	#155 \| Link
Trahald Wewkiee Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: kashyyyk Posts: 2,269	i just put up the diff (4) that is used for 675. the only difference between it and the patch that was up prior to today is the trailing bits fix. lemme shoot you another pm. __________________ ...yeah...but...why on earth would I compare apples with apples? Last edited by Trahald; 20th September 2007 at 21:07.

21st September 2007, 23:32	#156 \| Link
dattrax Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: UK Posts: 110	Thanks for that. I've tested my patch to your patch on the HD-E1 and interlace coding works perfectly now. basically if you select --interlace you get --nal-hrd + the correct pic_struct to support the field order --interlace gives you tff which is also supported by an alias (--tff) and if you say --bff then you get the opposite. Thanks for your hard work... We can now do pulldown and interlace on HD-DVD standard

14th November 2007, 00:19	#159 \| Link
stevencday Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11	Can I do pulldown using x264 for a 23.976 720p stream? I am trying to get away from using h264info for the pulldown and I am intending on making an HD-DVD compliant 720p stream... Help!

14th November 2007, 03:35	#160 \| Link
lazyn00b Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 152	Hi, I'm also having problems with 720p. Here is my (2nd pass) command line: Code: "C:\Program Files\x264_675a_pulldown\x264.exe" --pass 2 --bitrate 4000 --stats "D:\Projects\Trailers\ial720p.stats" --level 4.1 --keyint 12 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --no-fast-pskip --bframes 2 --bime --weightb --filter -1,-1 --trellis 1 --analyse p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --vbv-bufsize 14745 --vbv-maxrate 12000 --threads auto --thread-input --sar 1:1 --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "D:\Projects\Trailers\ial720p.264" "D:\Projects\Trailers\ial720p.avs" --sar 1:1 --aud --nal-hrd --pulldown 64 Notice I used --pulldown 64 to get 59.94 from a 23.976 stream; this is necessary because Scenarist only seems to accept 720p59.94. Disturbingly, Scenarist reports the time length of the stream as half what it should be. Also, when I author it and play it on my Toshiba, there is severe stuttering and audio dropouts. On the other hand, when I use a similar command line (except using --pulldown 32) for 480p or 1080p, I get perfectly smooth playback and audio sync. Anybody have any suggestions? Last edited by lazyn00b; 14th November 2007 at 07:43. Reason: Updated command line