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Resurrecting/forking Smartripper
Despite the fact that development on Smartripper stopped 13 years ago, it remains hands-down the #1 best ripping program in existence... for the discs that it can actually read, anyway. And that's about 99% of DVDs in existence. I can literally count the exceptions on one hand: Grey's Anatomy, Darkwing Duck, Rescue Rangers, Star Trek Into Darkness, and all but the first Bayformers movie (Star Trek '09 might also be an exception; I haven't tried it).
Back in the day when files like Smartripper had to be hosted on central servers in order for anyone to download them, a court order saying "thou shalt not develop or host this software" would be pretty effective at shutting it down. Now, however, we live in the era of Bittorrent. Anyone can work on this software clandestinely, make a torrent, upload it, and laugh as the FBI bangs its head against the wall in frustration. And while I still don't understand how blockchains work, there's probably a way to maintain quality control using a blockchain. So why is no one doing this? |
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Me neither
Anyway, why would anybody care about a program like "Smartripper", that has been discontinued more than a decade ago and thus certainly doesn't handle any of the current "copy protection" schemes? For those discs, for which it worked 10+ years ago, it should still work nowadays. And adding support for recent discs to the ten-years-old app would probably require the same amount of work as writing a "modern" ripper from the scratch Furthermore, I don't think Smartripper has ever been OpenSource. If so, nobody (except maybe the original developers) has access to the source codes. And without the sources, you can not continue development - except by means of reverse engineering. But why should anybody bother about reverse engineering a ripping software that has not been updated for a decade and that does not support any recent discs? It's just not worth the effort. There are many alternatives! Last but not least, anybody who develops a ripper that is capable of handling recent discs will be under heavy "pressure" by the film industry. That's why many developers stay away from that territory
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Seriously, have you even USED Smartripper? Now THAT could be a problem.
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I might have use it on occasion, like 10+ years ago. That was probably before I came across DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink.
And of course it was before those newer "copy protection" schemes became popular and thus all of the aforementioned tools stopped working with recent discs Again: If, nowadays, somebody was to develop a new ripping software, which is supposed to be capable of dealing with the latest "copy protection" schemes (like DVDFab and AnyDVD can do), he or she would probably be better off by starting from the scratch than building on top of a legacy software that hadn't been maintained for more than a decade.
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Says the person who suggest to develop yet another ripping software (as if we didn't have plenty of alternatives available) and who suggests to do this based on some antiquated tool that is at least 10 years behind in development compared to other ripping tools. If that wouldn't be reinventing the wheel, I don't know what else. But if you think it is such a good idea, when exactly are you going to present your Smartripper fork to the world and blow us all away with your brilliance? (So far you are only talking about what everybody else ought to be doing, but I don't see you actually delivering anything)
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That might have something to do with the fact that I'm not a programmer.
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Furthermore you need to read more carefully: What I told you is that Smartripper is so much outdated that it's source code (assuming that we had it) probably would not be of any help to develop a ripper capable of dealing with the current "copy protection" schemes. Maybe some "trivial" stuff could be re-used, but for the predominant part this program simply is not interesting, helpful or relevant these days. So "updating" Smartripper into something that is actually useful nowadays would probably require at least the same amount of work as developing a "modern" ripper from the scratch. And the latter case comes at the advantage that you don't need to deal with tons of old cruft. But I did not suggest to actually develop yet another ripper from the scratch. Of course, I won't try to stop you, if you want to do it anyway It's strange that you still you seem to know everything better and tell everybody what they ought to be doing...
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You know, you COULD have just let this go at:
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Yes. That's not the same thing as designing a new ripper from the ground up, which is what you suggested and then accused me of suggesting. Quote:
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If, nowadays, somebody was to develop a new ripping software, which is supposed to be capable of dealing with the latest "copy protection" schemes (like DVDFab and AnyDVD can do), he or she would probably be better off by starting from the scratch [rather than trying to update an antiquated tool like Smartripper] Not everything, just the three things I've talked about on these forums Ummm what? I never did any such thing.
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But I told you that doing so would probably be the more viable alternative to "updating" (or reverse engineering) an antiquated tool like Smartripper, which had been abandoned 10+ years ago and thus totally lacks any kind of support for any of the recent "copy protection" schemes, into something that is useful nowadays... Quote:
Now, whether circumventing CSS is legal or not, that's a totally different question! It's not a technical question, but a question for lawyers and lobbyists. And yes, in some countries you can be accused for circumventing a so-called "copy protection" scheme (or for distributing software which does that), even when that so-called "copy protection" scheme is actually (technically) trivial to circumvent. Quote:
Did you test all Video-DVD's ever released (including all releases in the last couple of years) or how did you determine that number? Quote:
I did not suggest to designing a new ripper from the ground up! But I told you that doing so would probably be the more viable alternative to "updating" (or reverse engineering) an antiquated tool like Smartripper, which had been abandoned 10+ years ago and thus totally lacks any kind of support for any of the recent "copy protection" schemes, into something that is useful nowadays... Be aware: Further posts that just contain blatant trolling will simply be deleted, according to rule #11. Rule violations may result in strike.
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As a side note:
a. Is there source code available of any DVD and or Blu-ray ripper ? (not counting libdvdcss) b. assuming the smart ripper source code would have been available, I suspect that there would have been a fork. -> no source code, nothing to fork or ressurect |
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@LoRd_MuldeR, Selur,
You can find the sourcecode of the latest version (2.41) of Smartripper at: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/sources.htm Of course i like to see an open source alternative to the state of the art ripping tools which are out there. Someone added some stuff to it (2.42): https://sourceforge.net/p/smartripper/wiki/changelog/ (apparently you have to build yourself). Last edited by Wilbert; 7th February 2015 at 22:58. |
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Well, it answers very simple...
Any state can fully control the internet, but copyright issues have to me demanded for (unlike murders or other crimes that carry the same punishment ). Therefore if studios wanted any of these tools disappear, they could do the same way they managed to get CloneXYZ series off market of any colour .
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Anyway, this discussion seems to be sterile.
The DVDs have a fundamental error, and so have the "recent than 10 years" tools. The fundamental error of the latter is that they are adressed to a public that is brainless. Well, if one has to sell something that one has to follow the Apple ideas, right? . That means the engineers have to implement each disc in the software, because the user is not able to make the right decision, because, well .... So a whole lotta "casual pirates" disappeared when eg CloneDVD was banned, and the rest started crying at AnyDVD/DVDFab for upgrades to handle the next DVD protection. The only protection that is impossible to rip with SmartRipper (and some work after) is based on bad sectors.
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On the other hand, I remember how loud cried the "pirate population" that the last disc of Sony/Disney could not be ripped with the current version (of the two known products) and begged for a quick fix or full release. A monkey could insert the disc in the DVD-drive and press Start, so I don't really see where's the "pirate" aspect of this job or the intellect needed for this . I don't know whether this will take away some weirdness or doubles it
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