Subtitle Edit 4.0.4

[Janusz]

@GCRaistlin

The problem is your text, not splitting and joining lines.
Organize the text first, then report the problem.

1
00:12:45,863 --> 00:12:48,864
<i>Креветки и раки были лучше всего.
Они быстро сплавливались.</i>

[GCRaistlin]

Bugs:

1. A really dangerous issue with 'Column - Paste from clipboard' feature. In 'Shift cells down' mode, we actually lose as many subtitles at the bottom as were inserted. You can easily check it on a file with only one subtitle: you'll never get the second (duplicate) line by performing 'Copy as text in clipboard' then 'Column - Paste from clipboard'.
2. I often get the following error performing 'Copy as text in clipboard':
   
   'Retry' works OK. I believe it's because I use Ditto and TextBoard clipboard managers - they seems to cause a delay for clipboard operations or something like that.

[varekai]

@GCRaistlin
WTF!! Any admin or mod around to stop this idiot?
What about forum rules? Pron? It has to be a violation?
Do we have to put up with this fastpic.ru image hoster?
Everetime someone clicks on his links they get to see pron!! WTF!
Look here what that arrogant prick Rhinoceros-GCRaistlin links to...
https://imgur.com/a/8fjKszN

If he had a brain he would do it like this, right? Right!
https://imgur.com/a/rTdKWgZ

So please admin/moderator give this poster a
serious reprimand or why not ban him for a while?

Edit:
When I get a reply links will be removed.

[tormento]

@Nikse555

I have found a constant bug in the italian OCR common errors correction, i.e. it transforms every standalone "I" to "i".

I have looked into xml dictionary files but can't find the rule at all.

Please let me know where to look into.

[Melan]

Each language has its own rules. Therefore, users should create the appropriate .xml files.
This is e.g. a fragment of my file.
https://i.imgur.com/roHSlTs.png

[Janusz]

Originally Posted by tormento

@Nikse555
I have found a constant bug in the italian OCR common errors correction, i.e. it transforms every standalone "I" to "i".
I have looked into xml dictionary files but can't find the rule at all.
Please let me know where to look into.

You won't find it in any xml. There is one option to blame for this, which you definitely have selected.
It is: Settings / Tools [Fix common OCR errors - also use hard-coded rules].
@Melan probably also has it marked from here his xml so extended to exaggeration.

Out of curiosity, I made your file Evangelion 2.22 [ita].
Unfortunately, you won't get different colors for the top and bottom for the subtitles srt. You need to export the file back to sup, so I don't know if it's worth playing with.

[tormento]

Originally Posted by Janusz

You won't find it in any xml. There is one option to blame for this, which you definitely have selected.
It is: Settings / Tools [Fix common OCR errors - also use hard-coded rules].

Yes, that's it.

@Nikse555 please put it as external file.

Originally Posted by Janusz

Out of curiosity, I made your file Evangelion 2.22 [ita].Unfortunately, you won't get different colors for the top and bottom for the subtitles srt. You need to export the file back to sup, so I don't know if it's worth playing with.

Yes, at the end I used srt for the forced sub (one line only, at the bottom, in the original sup) and sup for the normal one.

If only SE would support top and bottom time overlapping lines, I could use ass format and get rid of all those issues.

[GCRaistlin]

Internal (DirectShow) video engine displays video with a negative delay what makes it useless for adjusting the subtitles. Here's a 30 sec video and subtitles example. When played back in SE ('Play from just before text') the subtitle appears simultaneously with the title text on the screen. When played back in MPC-HC the subtitle appears earlier than the title text. The difference is about 267 ms. Note that if we performing frame steps using 'Video position' field (by pressing Up and Down arrows there) there seems to be no delay.

[Janusz]

@GCRaistlin,
think or teach. There is no such thing as a video delay. This stream or streams of audio or subtitles have a delay relative to video.
SE always displays the video according to the time it is contained in the subtitles - i.e. delay = 0. Play just before the text has nothing to do with synchronization.

[Nikse555]

Originally Posted by tormento

@Nikse555

I have found a constant bug in the italian OCR common errors correction, i.e. it transforms every standalone "I" to "i".

I have looked into xml dictionary files but can't find the rule at all.

Please let me know where to look into.

Could you provide a image/sup so I can try it?
(you can right-click on the image in the OCR window as click "Save as...")

[Janusz]

@ Nikse555
Since this also applies to the Polish language, you can use 192 "Batman" subtitles to show incorrect operation of this option for languages other than English.
1. [Fix common OCR errors - also use hard-coded rules] = disabled, my "pol_OCRFixReplaceList.xml" turns "l" into "I" and that's fine.
2. [Fix common OCR errors - also use hard-coded rules] = enabled, my "pol_OCRFixReplaceList.xml" turns "l" into "I", your function turns my "I" into "L" and it's bad.
I have now noticed that this is not done on the 195 line. Anyway, this is incorrect.

Edit:
Other lines from these inscriptions in which the exchange took place 255, 359, 448, 520, 934, 1128, 1136.
Lines in which the change did not take place: 195, 308, 560, 619. From the analysis of the text itself, some logic can be seen in these changes, but for the certainty I prefer not to use this function.

[GCRaistlin]

Originally Posted by Janusz

The problem is your text, not splitting and joining lines.
Organize the text first, then report the problem.

Thanks for your senseless post.

Originally Posted by Janusz

@GCRaistlin,
think or teach. There is no such thing as a video delay.

I don't care how to call this. The problem is definitely present.

[Janusz]

@GCRaistlin
If your subtitles start from 00:00:03.456 then after this time from the beginning of the film 00:00:00.000 they will appear on the screen "I don't care how to call this.".
If you start watching from 2 seconds, your subtitles will appear after 1.456 seconds and this is not a problem for either SE or MPC. What delay for subtitles you set in MPC is your problem.

[GCRaistlin]

Janusz
Have you downloaded my example and performed the steps?

I can't reproduce the joining issue now, so my apologies about "senseless post".

[Melan]

The demons are back. B255

https://i.imgur.com/V6OZ3Fn.png

[Janusz]

@GCRaistlin



In SE, there is no delay in subtitles relative to video. Subtitles are to start within a specified time.
SE does not take into account the delay for subtitles contained in streams ts, m2ts, etc. From the image you can see that the inscription will be displayed a bit too late and SE is used to fix it, because the subtitles have bad times.
What delay for subtitles is used in the m2ts stream you will learn with the help of MediaInfo, but this information will not be useful for the external subtitles you create.

[GCRaistlin]

Originally Posted by Janusz

From the image you can see that the inscription will be displayed a bit too late

On the contrary, it appears a bit too early - it should appear when the still title "A Martin Scorsese Picture" appears. Now see:

The left shot is of SE window, its timestamp is 00:20,389. The right screenshot is of MPC-HC, its timestamp is 00:20,395 - later then the left one. But it is actually earlier as the still title is going after the running one which tail can be seen on the right shot.

BTW how do you take screenshots of SE with video displayed correctly? I get the black screen instead (that's why I used the camera for the left shot).

[Janusz]

Your basic mistake is: you want to sync the video to subtitles.
Not the way. You won't change the video so you have to change the display time of the subtitle.
If you want the subtitles to be displayed earlier, e.g. when the text in the video appears on the screen,
but it does not stop, you need to speed up the subtitles so that they appear earlier. SUBTITLES not video.
Set 00:00:19.717 - 00:00:29.909 and your inscription "Фильм Мартина Скорсезе" will appear when the text
"A MARTIN SCORSESE PICTURE" appears on the screen and will last for as long as the text scrolls on the screen.

BTW how do you take screenshots of SE with video displayed correctly?

Normally: Left ALT + Print Screen, new bmp file, paste, save as png.

[GCRaistlin]

Originally Posted by Janusz

Your basic mistake is: you want to sync the video to subtitles.

No you're wrong. I'm afraid you don't even try to understand what I say.
I'm not going to change the video. I want to sync subtitles with video. If I do it with SE's internal player the result is fine - if I'm going to watch the movie with SE. But I am not - I'm going to watch it with MPC. And here I have a problem: the subtitles that are in sync with the video played back with SE's internal player are NOT in sync with the same video played back with MPC-HC. The screenshots that prove it are above.

Originally Posted by Janusz

Normally: Left ALT + Print Screen, new bmp file, paste, save as png.

It doesn't work for me.

[Janusz]

In addition, F1 F2 in MPC HC accelerate or delay subtitles.