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Old 10th September 2020, 19:17   #1681  |  Link
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But nVidia has the SHIELD and, uh, the Switch. Come on, those are killer! LMAO
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Old 10th September 2020, 19:18   #1682  |  Link
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The comparison of TSMC 7nm vs Samsung 8nm for Ampere using GA100 vs GA102 gives a 47% higher density for TSMC and better efficiency.
You can't compare the transistor and power budgets of a compute-only chip with a full graphics chip.
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As I have already mentioned, Ampere's TFLOPS are "fake" meaning they advertise a maximum theoretical value not reachable in real-world.
As people have explained to you already but you seem to ignore, that's the case for all TFLOPS figures advertised by all GPU manufacturers.
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We don't compare performance per area here, where the NAVI10 using TSMC 7nm simply destroys Turing with TSMC 12nm.
It's a TDP of 225 Watts for NAVI10 using fewer transistors vs TDP of 215 Watts for Turing that really matters.
Consumers (except maybe you?) don't care about "performance per chip area", only about performance per price or sometimes performance per watt.
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In the beginning there were many GPU companies but the leather-jacket-man did many and very bad things and like a miracle nVidia managed to have another covered monopoly or pseudo-duopoly.
What bad things? Releasing technically superior (both in hardware and drivers) products that customers bought while Number Nine, Rendition, Intel, S3, PowerVR and Matrox (in decreasing order of awfulness) couldn't keep up and while 3dfx sabotaged itself by deciding to cut its board manufacturing partners?
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Old 10th September 2020, 20:18   #1683  |  Link
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As people have explained to you already but you seem to ignore, that's the case for all TFLOPS figures advertised by all GPU manufacturers.
You and anyone else who have the guts to compare by any means the RDNA/TURING/RDNA2 TFLOPS vs Ampere TFLOPS and find them equal, I would declare you utterly ignorant and dangerous trolls of tech, that you should abandon writing in technical forums.
Nobody has explained to me anything of value.
You are still writing your opinions and mainly garbage.
Like this one you posted here.
I'll repeat it in case you eventually understand it.
Not all TFLOPS are equal.
It has already been reported by nVidia itself as I wrote before that the 30TFLOPS 3080 card has "up to 2x" the performance of the 10TFLOPS 2080 card.
Judging by the architecture of the Ampere cores (SM) it has already been processed that in real-world 1TFLOP of Ampere is 2/3 TFLOPS of Turing.
So the 3080 card of 30 TFLOPS produced by Ampere cores is equal around to 20 TFLOPS produced by Turing cores or "up to 2x" of the 2080 card.
This is the real-world performance of Ampere card.
Who cares what nVidia writes in its specs as "maximum theoretical value TFLOPS" of Ampere ?
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Consumers (except maybe you?) don't care about "performance per chip area", only about performance per price or sometimes performance per watt.What bad things?
You have serious issues understanding simple sentences not even technical.
I referred to performance per area as a metric that we don't care here for comparison reasons.
I mentioned it as a metric we don't compare, but instead we tried to compare performance per watt.
Next time be more careful with what you read, understand and write.
Unless you want to be the second troll of this forum.
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I have to be honest to this forum, like I always try to be.

The last few days dozens of tweets and more than 5 technical hardware news sites that I respect their opinion, have reported that Big Navi of 80CUs, the largest Navi21 according to rumors, is going to have 16 GB of VRAM and 256 bit bus.
Also, most of them if not all, seem to agree that Big Navi of 80CUs is going to compete with 3070 after all and not 3080.
On the other hand, I against all these respectful sites, believe that if AMD decides/wants/needs to release the Biggest/Baddest/BigFucking NAVI of all time using 80CUs (probably Navi21) is going to have 20 GB of VRAM and 320 bit bus.

So, it's ME against THE WORLD.

We'll see...

Now, according to a tech journalist of Extremetech site called Joel Hruska, Big Navi of 80CUs is going to be slower than 3070.
He claims that because of 3070 having 5888 cores and Big Navi of 80CUs having 2x40CUs = 2x2560 cores = 5120 cores, it will struggle to compete even with 3070.

Thank God there are actually so incompetent tech journalists comparing wrong figures in such ridiculous way that I'm now more confident that the 80CU RDNA2 chip is going to have 20GB of VRAM and will come close to 3080 with a suitable clock.

I'll leave it to the users of this forum to understand why this "tech journalist" is writing nonsense.

After so much training by me, you should be able to figure it out.

If not, I failed as a teacher.
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Old 10th September 2020, 21:28   #1685  |  Link
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"now"?
Consoles from the last ~7 years were based on AMD APUs, and both the XBox 360 and Wii before that used ATI GPUs
Oh, sorry, I stopped playing a long time ago.

I just realized why nvidia was/is scared: M$ will provide netflix type of subscription for games: $25 for small and $35 for big Xbox per month for 2 years including the device. I think this is big for gamers (well not for me ).
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A really interesting read for this afternoon:
https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post...-ultimate-play
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Therefore, I think this is Nvidia’s Ultimate Play: Intentionally causing an initial dearth of Ampere stock, allowing “supply and demand” to inflate the street price of Ampere when those beautiful $699 Founders cards instantly sell out, and then ultimately forcing AIBs to sell most of their models well above MSRP due to the required BOM Cost-Downs…that will be in ample supply once the street price is elevated.
So letting the market do it's thing, this is what a smart company does.. I applaud them for it, all hail Capitalism.
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Old 13th September 2020, 12:41   #1688  |  Link
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These are the tricks of an abusive, ruthless, manipulative company acting as monopoly to the free market and NOT LETTING free, capitalistic market work as it should, in order to keep margins and prices high, while it looks like is selling in lower prices.

Marketing propaganda and nVidia fan boys help a lot here to increase the hype.

Hail to nVidia means hail to crippled "free" market, hail to high inflated prices for the customer.

Anyone who doesn't have nVidia shares in his hand or not being a mindless fan boy should see this and criticize this behavior.
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Old 13th September 2020, 18:01   #1689  |  Link
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3060Ti leaks, just like last year the 2060S, it's pretty close to 3070 (same die, lower cuda cores, etc.). If that will be the case then I don't see the point of 3070 since it's not good enough for 4K gaming with its 8GB, so a 3060Ti would be cheaper to get (let alone madvr usage). The only question remains with how much: if they follow last year prices (just like they did with higher end models) then it will cost $400. And that's way too high for me ...

The other thing that there are really confusing "leaks" about RDNA2, some state it's crap, some state it's an Ampere killer
How on earth can this happen with AMD at this stage that I don't understand ...
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Because there's 2 chipsets for AMD, and I suspect the leaks so far are on the lower end one. NO ONE should be buying a 3060 or 3070 until the AMD reveal. I'm still planning on getting my 3080 this week if I can find one. On the lower end cards, where AMD will absolutely compete, there is going to be a price war I think. Fun time to be a consumer.
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Old 13th September 2020, 18:34   #1691  |  Link
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Just noticed these up on the USA BestBuy.com website.
It says all three will be launching this coming week on the 17th.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...=960&keys=keys
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Old 13th September 2020, 18:40   #1692  |  Link
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i'm not far away from not caring about AMDs next GPU anymore after the nightmare of my 480 and the current nightmares with my 5700 XT.

freesync is a lie on these cards cap a game to 200 FPS make an overlay on and see the monitor OSD displaying between 120-240 while the game and the overlay clearly displays 200 FPS all the time the card isn't outputting it it just outputs what ever it wants to. take a much slower nvidia card and see how the monitor OSD and the overlay/ game FPS are spot on with an AMD verified freesync screen there are no word for this.

the pathetic QA. they just sometimes release driver where you can't switch the refresh rate they didn't even check if the OS get's reported the correct refresh rates i mean the driver can't switch refresh rate so no point in checking if the OS can right?

virtual super resolution = stick at highest refresh rate because reasons.

reporting the wrong native resolution they love to do that with TV by saying 4096x2160 is "native" so you get from time to time a user asking why is my screen cut of...

there wasn't a signal day in the life of the 5700 XT where deint ever worked correctly.
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Interesting to see the different cooler designs, for the 1st time nvidia did something completely different than its AIBs I'll be curious about the tests regarding to this, which will be more efficient.
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i'm not far away from not caring about AMDs next GPU anymore after the nightmare of my 480 and the current nightmares with my 5700 XT.
I can understand, no one can blame you ...
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The FE card has been up there since shortly after the reveal. That's likely where I'm going to try to order one from on Thursday. I can't wait and hope I'm able to grab one.
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The guy from MLID that I posted his article, says that Big Navi is not going to be that "Big" eventually.
The die is small and for the first time power consumption could be lower than the competing Ampere cards.
But he also says that memory bus and memory bandwidth will be lower, so no 320bit I guess - probably it's going to be 256 bit and 16GB even for Big Navi21.
At the same time he seems positive that is going to crash 3070 and compete directly with 3080.
With so low memory bandwidth ?
All these estimations are for rasterized performance.
Ray tracing is going to be faster than Turing and slower than Ampere, according to him.
I will definitely wait for RDNA2 cards which are ready months ago and will be released with polished drivers, probably for the first time in history.
But AMD cards are famous for keeping their value during their long life of supporting drivers and performing better in the long run than nVidia cards.
For example the RX 470/RX 570 card is clearly faster these days than 1060 3GB card and RX 480/RX 580 card is faster than 1060 6GB card.
These nVidia Pascal cards were faster than Polaris cards using their initial drivers.
Anyway since I saw also the video of Steve from Gamers Nexus bashing Radeon Marketing team for the hilarious history of misleading hype and underperforming cards, I hope this time history will not repeat itself with "Poor Volta" ridiculous hype.

I'm confident that RDNA2 cards will be more competitive than ever to nVidia's top Ampere cards.
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Hello!

GPU NVIDIA Geforce GTX 960, drivers 398.11 win7 x64.
Would this old GPU benefit with latest drivers 452.06?
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I doubt it will.

Something else: nvidia just bought ARM for $40 billion. I have mixed feelings about this ... I like one of the comments: "The birth of Skynet"
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Anyone who doesn't have nVidia shares in his hand or not being a mindless fan boy should see this and criticize this behavior.
The consumer cares only about what they can buy and it's perceived value. Everyone with a 30 series Geforce is going to be very happy indeed. *Begin applause* the world moves on as the market continues as it always has.

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Something else: nvidia just bought ARM for $40 billion. I have mixed feelings about this ... I like one of the comments: "The birth of Skynet"
An excellent move, finally the beginning of the end for x86, lots of cash to put into finally putting this old bird to roost. I called this happening back in 2006.

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Where the hell is the new driver?! I'm starting to get impatient with them. I know it exists because all the people out there who've gotten prerelease cards are using them. We need to see if their claims of a madvr fix holds true.

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