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Old 9th September 2020, 17:08   #1661  |  Link
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a 5700 Xt is about as fast as a 2070 not a 2070 S.
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Old 9th September 2020, 17:30   #1662  |  Link
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Zen3 on October 8th and Radeon RX 6000 on October 28th.
It's official from AMD:
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-i...-on-october-28

I can see that rumors will be huge till end of October for RX 6000.
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Old 9th September 2020, 17:46   #1663  |  Link
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I hope Zen3 actually launches in October as well, and not very much later. Been eagerly awaiting those to rebuild my setup from ground up.
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Old 9th September 2020, 18:04   #1664  |  Link
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And nvidia will lunch the 16GB and 20GB versions of their 3070/3080 in the middle of October as well, then 2 weeks later the 3060.
Actually this is a really clever move: they can sell the higher memory configs more ($100+ ?). Of course they could have give it away for "free"
And they can say: "we have a $500 card that is really good, if the memory isn't enough for you then buy the higher models"
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yeah not going to get a new GPU before i get a new CPU. i really need zen 3.
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Old 9th September 2020, 19:12   #1666  |  Link
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RIP brothers & sisters, owners of RTX 20 cards.
My 2080 Ti is not going to stop doing all the awesome things it does (and has done) for me just because a 30xx is released. Worst case, I can move it to replace the 1080 Ti in my backup machine (which will in turn replace the 1050 Ti in my second backup machine). But more likely I'll put my 3090 Ti in a new kick-ass machine with latest CPU goodness and PCIe 4. I've been benefiting from my 2080 Ti for almost two years so there's no reason for any regrets. Long live nVidia!

All this guy has is rhetoric, insults, forlorn hopes, and sour grapes. I will pray for him.

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All of you guys are a bunch of clueless nVidia fan boys, irresponsible customers and have real issues with facts and the real-world.

I see no real and solid arguments against mine.

All I see is the reproduction of the mainstream propaganda of nvidia's marketing BS.

You are living in a bubble and you are responsible for the monopoly of Intel and nVidia with all of the consequences of these monopolies - high prices and milking.

I feel pity.
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Old 9th September 2020, 21:04   #1668  |  Link
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I hope Zen3 actually launches in October as well, and not very much later. Been eagerly awaiting those to rebuild my setup from ground up.
Traditionally I've stuck with Intel and do like my 9900k. However, they have definitely fallen behind and I no longer even remotely care about SGX and "official" UHD playback anymore. (I was only moderately interested before when I got the 9900k but now not even a little bit). So AMD is an option for me and I really want to see how balls out these Zen3 procs are. PCIe 4 nvme. Mmmmmmm
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All of you guys are a bunch of clueless nVidia fan boys, irresponsible customers and have real issues with facts and the real-world.

I see no real and solid arguments against mine.

All I see is the reproduction of the mainstream propaganda of nvidia's marketing BS.

You are living in a bubble and you are responsible for the monopoly of Intel and nVidia with all of the consequences of these monopolies - high prices and milking.

I feel pity.
the unbeatable i'm right you are wrong argument i'm disarmed here.

from the guy with an intel CPU btw.
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Old 10th September 2020, 02:37   #1670  |  Link
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Latest leak/rumor shows big navi with 16gb of GDDR6 at 256 bit bus. It's entirely possible this is not finalized, but, if it is, that hardly is going to beat a 3080.
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Old 10th September 2020, 05:33   #1671  |  Link
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Do you have a link?
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Latest leak/rumor shows big navi with 16gb of GDDR6 at 256 bit bus.
NO NO.
I have written before a few times that Big Navi21 of 80CUs should have 20GB of VRAM and larger bus.
The 16GB VRAM Navi should be the one competing with 3070.
If this that I describe is not the case, then AMD has lost this battle by far.
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You are living in a bubble and you are responsible for the monopoly of Intel and nVidia with all of the consequences of these monopolies - high prices and milking.
Nvidia is going hard and delivering good prices too for what's being developed, Intel milked quad cores for far too long and didn't innovate quickly enough, they're paying the price now and so will anyone that languishes too long.

Competition is always there waiting in the wings. Like I said, nobody is complaining about how things are priced and what we're getting in any hardware market.

Can't have a fairy tale capitalist market, it's impossible. There are hardware limits, and you can't know the entire costs of running a large scale business.
The market is far from the doom and gloom you seem to view it as.

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If this that I describe is not the case, then AMD has lost this battle by far.
The battle is far from lost, I'm sure they'll have a reasonably successful launch, now that I know that news of Big Navi will come very shortly, perhaps AMD will not lose market share as I expected but it will still be a tough battle.

This launch may be where things begin to turn around for them depending on the benchmark results and internet feedback.
We do want them to do well, the sentiment towards them is getting much better now they are delivering what the market wants, I hold hope.

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Competition is always there waiting in the wings. Like I said, nobody is complaining about how things are priced and what we're getting in any hardware market.
NO.
Competition in the x86 CPU arena stopped in 2006 with the release of Core 2 Duo CPU and the dramatic mistakes of AMD.
x86 CPU arena like GPU arena are both near to monopoly situations or pseudo-duopoly if you prefer.
Intel has allowed to exist extremely few licenses and only AMD survived from this situation.
AMD brought up competition again, after 11 YEARS in 2017 with Zen architecture.
From 2006 to 2017 there was ZERO COMPETITION due to the pseudo-duopoly or covered monopoly of a Goliath that is Intel and David that is AMD.
No other real competitors in x86 CPU arena. ZERO.
This is a situation caused by anti-competitive practices of Intel for decades.
Take a look at the ARM architecture CPU arena.
Apple, Samsung,Qualcomm, Huawei (before Trump), MediaTek and Marvel, Ampere, Nuovo and so many other options for ARM.
THIS IS HEALTHY COMPETITION.
x86 "competition" is a disease, an illness, a disgusting, manipulating thing of Intel and its fanboys supporting this.
If AMD didn't bring Zen architecture after 11 YEARS, NOBODY of you would complain about the disease of Intel's monopoly and domination.
A lot of you are very unhappy with the situation and you cry like babies during the middle of the night, because Intel has become AMD's bitch since 2017.
You are Intel's slaves...You belong to Intel due to a Stockholm syndrome probably.
Take a look at this forum posts, not only this thread and you will find many of Intel's slaves.
The same situation is for the GPU arena.
In the beginning there were many GPU companies but the leather-jacket-man did many and very bad things and like a miracle nVidia managed to have another covered monopoly or pseudo-duopoly of AMD and nVidia this time.
You know, like AMD and Intel in x86 CPU arena.
AMD is too small to compete simultaneously with these two large companies.
Actually is too small to compete separately with each one, so to fight two wars at the same time is impossible.
The situation is ideal for both covered monopolies of Intel and nVidia to fight a little, tiny company like AMD.
They can legally say that they are not monopolies, because look there is AMD, but in the real-world we all know that Intel had 99% of the server CPU market before 2017 and nVidia still has 80% market of the discrete GPUs
If these are the numbers of YOUR COMPETITION, then you have clearly an issue of understanding the reality.
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The battle is far from lost, I'm sure they'll have a reasonably successful launch, now that I know that news of Big Navi will come very shortly, perhaps AMD will not lose market share as I expected but it will still be a tough battle.
NO NO.
If AMD releases the Biggest Navi, the highest and fastest of its RX 6000 products at the 3070 level of performance, then we will have a RDNA aka NAVI situation again.
I will say this one more time:
If the fastest product of Big Navi is at the 3070 level, then this means that RDNA2 (RX 6000) will compete with Ampere, like RDNA (RX 5000) competes with Turing aka 80% of discrete cards to nVidia.
WE DESPERATELY NEED the release of Big Navi of 80CUs that I personally believe can compete with 3080 and Big Navi using 20GB of VRAM with lower power consumption vs 10 GB of VRAM and higher power consumption of 3080 and this could bring some GPU market to AMD along with the lower tier models.
AMD and we as customers we can't afford AMD to bring its fastest RX 6000 model competing with the lowest of Ampere high-end cards.
THERE IS NO COMPETITION in a situation like this.
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Old 10th September 2020, 09:02   #1675  |  Link
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there is no need to have the biggest card they have barely any market share:
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsur...lcome-to-Steam

it's pretty much look how great the 2080 ti is i get a 2060.
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I' ve just read a recent statement from the co-founder of Arm company, Hermann Hauser, to NS Tech regarding the possibility of nVidia buying Arm.

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They are the semiconductor company that can buy Arm to destroy it—and it is very much in its interest to destroy Arm because they [would] gain a lot more than the $40 billion that they would pay for it
This statement pretty much summarizes what kind of bastard company ENVYdia really is.
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Do you have a link?
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-6...-gddr6-memory/

Remember these are leaks and speculation. Nothing to get all hot and bothered about just yet. But if this is true, and that's not guaranteed, then they will be competing with the 3070. Figure slightly faster with more ram for about 50 bucks higher. This may explain the supposed leaks by Lenovo of a 16gb 3070ti.

Quite frankly I want amd to succeed. I always have. I go back a very long ways in pc building and started out with amd for over 10 years until Intel annihilated all competition. Anyone remember cyrix? I used amd GPUs until the Nvidia 4xx cards, as well. I'm very seriously looking at the zen 3 but if these leaks turn out to be accurate about big Navi then I can't yet take them seriously for GPU.

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Nvidia going with Samsung for Ampere is actually good for competition (vs TSMC) in the sub-12nm semiconductor manufacturing market.

If price/performance isn't there in mid/entry price range, don't buy, buy used, or buy a console instead. Not much point in complaining about lack of competition, Nvidia has a rockstar (or at least leather jacket) CEO and wants to become a datacenter company.
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I don't think that AMD is much bothered by desktop GPUs. They have the console market now and that was an important step for them, that's where the money comes from (along with CPUs, datacenter products). The desktop market compared to the rest is mimimal.
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I don't think that AMD is much bothered by desktop GPUs. They have the console market now and that was an important step for them, that's where the money comes from (along with CPUs, datacenter products).
"now"?
Consoles from the last ~7 years were based on AMD APUs, and both the XBox 360 and Wii before that used ATI GPUs - in combination with other CPUs, however.

NVIDIA, on the other hand, has been making more money from datacenter the last quarters then gaming products.
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