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Old 13th December 2009, 09:36   #21  |  Link
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Thanks for your quick answer. Hey, my question wasn't an offence, sorry!

I don't know what an IGS menu is?
Basically I was hoping to keep both menus: the main and the pop up menu.
But like I said: If I keep the original *.mpls and *.clpi, the remuxed movie does not start. If I replace the *.mpls and *.clpi, everything is fine, but if I press Pop-Up Menu on my PS3 Remote, nothing happens. I have to go to the main menu to change something or jump to the extras.
I will try to replace only the mpls opr the clpi and will then post my experience.
One more question: What exactly are the mpls and the clpi files for? For what are they needed? What Information do they contain? I am really trying to understand the blu ray structure a bit more :-) Thanks!

Edit:
Maybe I am also doing something wrong: Since your screenshots are missing, maybe I have overlook an important information or setting? Do you have the screenshots somewhere else?

Edit 2:
Where is the information for the pop-up menu stored? Maybe that could help to solve my problem? Maybe it is stored in the stream (.m2ts) file and tsmuxer is messing that up?

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Old 14th December 2009, 10:50   #22  |  Link
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No, tsmuxer is not interfering with them. I've tried personally that part, keeping the original clpi and the original mpls.

Quote:
Originally Posted by deank
You can extract/demux IGS with tsRemux. The stream describes all buttons, HDMV navigational commands to be executed when buttons are activated/clicked, sounds, menu pages and in the end, RLE encoded representations of all button/popup graphics. There is no difference between menu IGS and pop-up IGS.
But there is no muxer to put them together again.

As for your problem, can you post screenshots of the entire BD structure that you have ? Listed, not pictures of folders. Maybe I can see where the problem lies.

Some more information here and here.

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Old 14th December 2009, 23:27   #23  |  Link
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One question.
Is this work with series, and how if does.
I did not try yet, I wait for pictures in guide.
Sorry for my English

Thanks in advance
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Old 15th December 2009, 02:19   #24  |  Link
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It works with series too, only if they are not branched. If each episode has a separate playlist it's ok, but if they all play from the same playlist it's not ok.

PS: If the current image host isn't up in a few days, I'll change the host.
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Old 15th December 2009, 17:37   #25  |  Link
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If I understood it right, this guide is only for replacing the existing subs with the new one. Is there a way I can add the new subs, while leaving the existing ones?

Also, I'm not sure is this the right thread for this question, but is there any tool for synchronizing BD subs, like Subtitle Creator was for DVD's?
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Old 15th December 2009, 19:48   #26  |  Link
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As for your problem, can you post screenshots of the entire BD structure that you have ? Listed, not pictures of folders. Maybe I can see where the problem lies.
Ok, I will. What tool can I use to give you a useful Structure overview of the disc?
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Old 15th December 2009, 22:54   #27  |  Link
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@borijove You can add as many stream as you like, but you won't be able to select them from the menu.

@pio011 BDInfo.

LE: I've changed the host of the pictures. Now they are available.

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Old 18th December 2009, 11:13   #28  |  Link
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First thank you for the great tutorial. I'm having problems with it. Don't know if any of you watched the movie after keeping the menus with the custom added subtitles but the last 2 minutes of the movie disappear. If i just add subtitles all's ok but when keeping the menus the last minutes won't play. One other thing, in my case when adding portuguese subtitles by replacing them with the english ones; in the movie i have to choose the en stream to watch my custom pt ones, and i mean in the movie itself not the menus. Can you give me a hand on this? Thanks
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Old 18th December 2009, 12:26   #29  |  Link
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It's a problem on certain blu-ray discs. tsMuxer isn't reading correctly the playlist and the chapters get screwed up, as well as the end time of the movie. The fix for this is to open the original BD in BDEdit, go to Playlist TAB, choose the movie playlist and then click save chapters. This will save a list of chapters, the correct list and you paste it in tsmuxer, in Custom Chapters List.



As far as your second problem goes, that's because you didn't replace the original clpi and mpls with the edited ones.
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Well, you're my guru man!!
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Old 20th December 2009, 09:34   #31  |  Link
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@crl2007

HI crl2007!

As you asked before, here is the Report of my Disc. I have replaced the original english monio audio track with a custom language and also replaced one subtitle track with a new one. This disc runs fine, but the movie does not have the pop-up menu anymore. Maybe you have an idea, why this doesn't work? Also, I have tried to use the origins mpls and/or the clpi files: If I use one or both of the original files, the movie won't play at all. Thank you for you effort!!

This is the BDinfo Report (Part I):
Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00003.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:32:59 0               22.878.071.932  0,00    0,00    DTS-HD Master 7.1 (48kHz/16-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     
Disc Size:      22.878.071.932 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00003.MPLS
Length:                 1:32:59 (h:m:s)
Size:                   0 bytes
Total Bitrate:          0,00 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        0 kbps              1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         0 kbps          7.1 / 48 kHz / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             German          448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -4dB

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         0,000 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           German          0,000 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         0,000 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00005.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:32:59.274     0               0               

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:05:30.913     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
2               0:05:30.913     0:06:13.373     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
3               0:11:44.286     0:06:35.811     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
4               0:18:20.098     0:06:56.541     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
5               0:25:16.639     0:05:41.591     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
6               0:30:58.231     0:04:23.846     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
7               0:35:22.078     0:05:16.315     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
8               0:40:38.393     0:04:04.119     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
9               0:44:42.513     0:04:31.186     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
10              0:49:13.699     0:04:41.281     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
11              0:53:54.981     0:08:25.755     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
12              1:02:20.737     0:07:47.216     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
13              1:10:07.953     0:09:31.070     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
14              1:19:39.024     0:06:21.672     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
15              1:26:00.697     0:05:31.413     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    
16              1:31:32.111     0:01:27.163     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00005.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     0                       0                       0               0               
00005.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x81            AC3             deu (German)            0                       0                       0               0               
00005.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           0                       0                       0               0               
00005.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            0                       0                       0               0               
00005.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           0                       0                       0               0               
00005.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           0                       0                       0               0
Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00004.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:09:30 0               22.878.071.932  0,00    0,00    DTS 2.0 768Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     
Disc Size:      22.878.071.932 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00004.MPLS
Length:                 0:09:30 (h:m:s)
Size:                   0 bytes
Total Bitrate:          0,00 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        0 kbps              1080i / 29,970 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS Audio                       English         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         0,000 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00006.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:09:30.002     0               0               

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:09:30.002     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00006.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     0                       0                       0               0               
00006.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x82            DTS             eng (English)           0                       0                       0               0               
00006.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           0                       0                       0               0
Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00005.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:04:08 0               22.878.071.932  0,00    0,00    DTS 2.0 768Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     
Disc Size:      22.878.071.932 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00005.MPLS
Length:                 0:04:08 (h:m:s)
Size:                   0 bytes
Total Bitrate:          0,00 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        0 kbps              1080i / 29,970 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS Audio                       English         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00007.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:04:08.281     0               0               

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:04:08.281     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00007.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     0                       0                       0               0               
00007.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x82            DTS             eng (English)           0                       0                       0               0

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And here's the 2nd Part of the BDinfo Report

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00007.MPLS                                                      AVC     0:03:20 0               22.878.071.932  0,00    0,00    DTS 2.0 768Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     
Disc Size:      22.878.071.932 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00007.MPLS
Length:                 0:03:20 (h:m:s)
Size:                   0 bytes
Total Bitrate:          0,00 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        0 kbps              1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS Audio                       English         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00009.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:03:20.283     0               0               

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:03:20.283     0 kbps          0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 kbps          00:00:00.000    0 bytes         0 bytes         00:00:00.000    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00009.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     0                       0                       0               0               
00009.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x82            DTS             eng (English)           0                       0                       0               0
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Old 20th December 2009, 09:44   #33  |  Link
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Yeah, it should work as I described in the tutorial.
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Well, but it doesn't. And I don't know why
But let me know one thing: Is the pop-up menu still available in your edited discs? If yes, maybe this is a problem only with this particular disc?!
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None of the discs with this type of menu made problems. They all worked like a charm.
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I have re-authored an other disc (added new audio track). Again, everything works fine, but there's no pop-up menu while the main movie is playing. Again, I have used you guide, regarding every little step - but no pop up, just the main menu.

Obviously I must be completely dumb, or what?!? @crl2007 and @all others: Can you actually open the pop-up menu while movie is running?

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Yes, while the movie is playing, I and everyone else are able to start the pop-up menu. Regularly, movies with IGS menus are having only the pop-up menu and a menu that starts when you call it, regularly just one picture to select certain extra features.

As you can see here:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 0 kbps 1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

The menu is not in the same container as the movie. Before starting this guide I've tested on this movie that I have in my personal collection: Wedding Crashers 2005 Theatrical and Uncorked version.

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 0 kbps 1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

As you can see, the same principle applies. I wouldn't have written that in the guide if the method wasn't tested.

I will borrow a BD with an IGS menu and I'll test some more to see if I can replicate your lack of pop-up menu. It will help me if I know the name of the movie you are trying to edit. Maybe I have it, or a friend has it and I can do further tests. Also it would help me to know if it is the US or EU version.

Later edit: As I promised, I've done some further tests. Everything is functional, I even replaced the clpi file ( normally it isn't done ) for you to see that is possible to have a pop-up menu. With the java discs is even more easier. In this test I've removed all audio streams and left only one subtitle. So there can be no doubt that is a real test.

Original:

Edited:

As you can see, they both have the pop-up menu while the movie is running. Sorry for the quality of the pictures.

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@crl2007: Thanks for your effort! It's really appreciated!
I cannot play blurays on my computer, it's probably too old (TMT says something with my overlay is wrong) So I can only test the discs on my ps3.
Yet I have edited: Halloween (US-Version: Removed 1 Audio-Track and added 1 Audio Track (custom/german). And: New York Ripper (Again removed one audio and subtitle track and added one custom audio and one subtilte track). Both did not work (well, the worked, but no pop-up).
Here's the way I did it:

- I opened the (main movie) .mpls in tsMuxerGui 1.10.06 and replaced the tracks. I have made all changes the way you described it (e.g. in "Bluray" with Halloween: first mpls = 1; first m2ts = 3)
- after remuxing is finished I have replaced (in the original disc) the files: m2ts, mpls and clpi
- burn with imgburn
- played with ps3

What did I mess up? Or is the ps3 not able to read these discs?
And: Where/in what file is the pop up menu actually stored?

Thanks!

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I am beginning to understand why...

I have taken a closer look to the (new) mpls file with BDedit: Obviously TsMuxer is messing something up! As you can see in the picture, compared the two (original and new) mpls file of the main movie: the new one is lacking some information!! Especially the "subpath" type "IG Menu" section is missing. I think that this is the link to the pop-up menu!

[B]Original[\B]


[B]New[\B]


How can I prevent tsmuxer from ignoring this information?

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I'll ask for help from a colleague here, he knows more than me about PS3 limitations.
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