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Old 2nd February 2023, 22:44   #63861  |  Link
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I would love if I could use libplacebo in MPC.
Same. Idk they'd be keen as they have their own renderer for it, but post the request.. I'll +1 it.

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Old 3rd February 2023, 02:36   #63862  |  Link
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Same. Idk they'd be keen as they have their own renderer for it, but post the request.. I'll +1 it.
So, to be clear, what other options do I have for MPC, now?
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Old 3rd February 2023, 02:58   #63863  |  Link
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I don't know of anything else that competes against madVR in terms of flexibility and image quality. So it depends on what you want.
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Old 3rd February 2023, 03:15   #63864  |  Link
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I don't know of anything else that competes against madVR in terms of flexibility and image quality. So it depends on what you want.
I don't use MadVR's beta software, just the last release from years ago. Since no further releases are expected, I guess I want to move on to something else, now. What other options are out there?

VLC, maybe?
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Old 3rd February 2023, 05:14   #63865  |  Link
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Algorithms don't constantly change. Use whatever works and gives you good quality rendering.
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Old 3rd February 2023, 07:13   #63866  |  Link
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I fired up Jriver and used FSRCNNX16 and it provided very similar results to NGU AA, a bit unresponsive with pausing and playing though compared to madVR.

Nice to know it's a decent alternative option if I want/need but it hasn't attracted me much even when I looked at it some years ago.

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Old 3rd February 2023, 12:54   #63867  |  Link
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I've been using jriver for many years. Up until a few months ago I used it exclusively with madvr, dropping the beta build into its private madvr copy. But jrvr has really come along a lot and is getting better and better. And it just works without fussing with a ton of configuration.

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Old 4th February 2023, 01:11   #63868  |  Link
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Does VLC use libplacebo? Is that a decent alternative?

Jriver seems to cost money (although it isn't terribly expensive, apparently.)
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Old 4th February 2023, 11:48   #63869  |  Link
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H-hey there guys. Can anyone help me ?
I'm trying MadVR but.. i can't play 4/60 videos with it..
It give me huge framedrops..
Not only that but.. the 4/60 videos play like 30 fps videos if i don't enable
smooth motion
What's going on ?
Perhaps my PC can't handle it ?
Ryzen 7 3800X
2x8 DDR4 3200 Mhz (So 16 GB of RAM)
RTX 3070
Windows 11 Pro
I have a RU7100 65 connected on my PC using HDMI.
That huge framedrops are with default settings..
What you guys think ?
If i disable MadVR, i can run any video even 8/60
Is MadVR so big hit in performance ?
I'm using MPC-BE x64
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Old 4th February 2023, 19:30   #63870  |  Link
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Are you using G-sync or any Variable Refresh Rate technology?
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Old 4th February 2023, 20:23   #63871  |  Link
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For 4k60 I was never able to get smooth playback with CPU decoding. If you are using LAV Video Decoder then it will say "active hardware accelerator" in its GUI if GPU is decoding. I am using "DXVA2 copyback" for GPU decoding and 4k60 works perfect on GTX1070 & 4790k at loads not above 20% CPU & 55% GPU at max clocks. With CPU decoding, CPU load is in the 80% range and stutters/freezes constantly. But, I am using Lanczos for scaling so my MadVR GPU load is very low.

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Old 4th February 2023, 21:57   #63872  |  Link
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For my main viewing these days I have moved away from madvr. Libplacebo based renderers have indeed come a long way and even apply tonemapping based on Dolby Vision metadata in some cases. Is this as good as madvr tonemapping? Arguably no. But I'm not spending enormous amounts of time configuring 1000 options and worrying about a timeout, either. Everything we do on an HTPC is a tradeoff. that isn't to say I don't still have madvr installed, up to date, and configured. I can change to it in a matter of seconds when I choose to. But at the end of the day you have to ask yourself what hoops you're willing to jump through to squeeze out every last ounce of PQ from your setup. Those who are determined, will make madvr beta builds work for them. Those that want "better than the TV's internal tonemapping but far easier to setup than madvr currently" will potentially choose another rendering solution.

The simple fact is this...based on what madshi said in the latest comments on the AVS thread, it's increasingly possible that madvr on the HTPC may die off completely and receive no further support at some point. He made it VERY clear that if he has to choose his business over madvr then the HTPC will lose. He doesn't want that to be the case, but at the end of the day he chose to start a business and that is his focus. While we've benefitted from the bargain of using test builds to help improve Envy, some day that bargain may end up not being worth it to madshi. That's a cold hard reality.
What are you currently using and which renderers are using libplacebo? I was experimenting a bit with SMPlayer + MPV but not satisfied. JRVR seems only to work with JRiver Media Center. and I am not going to pay 60$ for a renderer and they charge extra $$$ for each major release.

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Old 5th February 2023, 01:32   #63873  |  Link
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What are you currently using and which renderers are using libplacebo? I was experimenting a bit with SMPlayer + MPV but not satisfied. JRVR seems only to work with JRiver Media Center. and I am not going to pay 60$ for a renderer and they charge extra $$$ for each major release.
I'm using JRiver MC and have been for many years now. So I can't really comment on other renderers. I do like JRVR quite a bit. Everyone has to decide for themselves whether the price is worth it or not.
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Old 5th February 2023, 02:30   #63874  |  Link
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Is there a way to use the old stable madVR and fix the Windows 11 identification problem? It's fixed in one of the test build releases but I don't see another stable release being released soon or ever and I kinda just want to install and forget and not have to update all the time.

MPC Video Renderer looks ok but doesn't have much upscaling/downscaling options so I'd rather stick with madVR if I can fix the issue somehow.
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Old 5th February 2023, 02:42   #63875  |  Link
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Has anyone tried an Intel Arc A750 or Arc A770 Limited Edition cards? Asking specifically about those cause the ARC GPUs don't natively have HDMI 2.1 FRL, but these LE cards are supposed to include a built-in DP 2.0 to HDMI FRL chip that enables 4k 120Hz @ 10 bit RGB.

What I'm wondering is:

- If it works with auto HDR switching on Windows 11.
- If it doesn't have any trouble bitstreaming Dolby TrueHD Atmos and DTS:X over DTS-HD.

I've been planning to get rid of my RTX 3070 since the Atmos dropouts won't ever get fixed, but the RTX 4000 series are a no go for me until prices are reasonable, same with AMD.
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Old 5th February 2023, 10:27   #63876  |  Link
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Hi!

In the past week or so I've been getting madVR unhandled exception alerts. Nothing has changed on my system for the past several weeks. So is my videocard dying, or what?

This setup has been working for several months before without an issue.

It's always madVR64.ax. The mediaplayer keeps running unless I close this alert (usually accidentally by pressing space).
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Old 5th February 2023, 11:31   #63877  |  Link
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System restore. Easiest solution if it's not a hardware problem.
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Old 5th February 2023, 11:38   #63878  |  Link
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Are you using G-sync or any Variable Refresh Rate technology?
Hey there. Not that i know of. I mean, probably just normal Vsync..
it's mostly the default settings.
Maybe because i put 60 fps limit in Nvidia Panel Control Globally ?
maybe not..
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For 4k60 I was never able to get smooth playback with CPU decoding. If you are using LAV Video Decoder then it will say "active hardware accelerator" in its GUI if GPU is decoding. I am using "DXVA2 copyback" for GPU decoding and 4k60 works perfect on GTX1070 & 4790k at loads not above 20% CPU & 55% GPU at max clocks. With CPU decoding, CPU load is in the 80% range and stutters/freezes constantly. But, I am using Lanczos for scaling so my MadVR GPU load is very low.
Hey there. I think i'm using GPU decoding. Because when i play a video, it says something like..
DXVA2 Native, HEVC 10-bit

Guys, can you please check this out ?
https://imgur.com/a/jMZnCmm
So, three prints.

First is Zack Snyder's Justice League Remux movie.
As you can see, if i set the Smooth Motion on
There will be a lot of dropped frames
i just let the scene play for.. 20 seconds i guess.

Secondly is Gemini Man 10 bit sdr 4k movie (almost remux)
Anyway.. this movie is 60 fps.
As you can see, if i set the Smooth Motion off
I will still get dropped frames, a lot..
The movie is cleary not playing at 60 fps.
If i want a video to play at 60 fps using MadVR..
I HAVE to set Smooth Motion on for some reason. It will never be 60 fps without it.
BUT, it's impossible.. the video cleary is not at 60 fps most of time.
Only on extreme rare ocassions..
Ah, i even tried a random 4/60 fps video on youtube (i downloaded the video)
Even a simple video of youtube, will not play 60 fps if i don't set
Smooth Motion on
Video example i tried..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07FdDRbdurg
TEKKEN 8 – Reveal Trailer

third is Gamini Man 10 bit sdr 4k movie (almost remux) again.
As you can see, this time, i set the Smooth Motion on
There will be a lot less dropped frames i don't know why..
But.. it's still pretty bad. Just like i said above..

What is going on guys, should i just give up on MadVR ?
It's seems so heavy performance hit.
Ah, this is using the default settings, guys. Yeah.. :/

I should say, that both movies play perfectly fine if i disable MadVR in MPC-BE x64
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Old 5th February 2023, 12:39   #63879  |  Link
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What happens when you do not zoom into JL from 1.33:1 to fill your screen ?
If you use LAV, try D3D11 - automatic native in Video decoder settings.
All other apps - like a browser with several open tabs - closed ?
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What happens when you do not zoom into JL from 1.33:1 to fill your screen ?
If you use LAV, try D3D11 - automatic native in Video decoder settings.
All other apps - like a browser with several open tabs - closed ?
Hrm, same thing. I just hate black bars so i always try to stretch the screen. But i tried without doing that, same result :/

Hrm˛.. so, i do use LAV but only LAV Splitter.. because i like to increase the buffer of the files.
Should i try LAV Video too ?
i will give it a go.

About the other apps. I always, close all apps when i'm doing something.
So, if i'm watching a movie, or playing games.. etc.. i will close everything i can.
Browser, other apps.. even folders. All.

Only really simple things i leave open. Like.. Discord, maybe Steam if i'm downloading a game. Torrent..
But, i tried to close them all before and no change.
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