Vobsubs In MP4 - Page 2

Drachir · 1st May 2006, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeeMoreDigital

Could any of this affect how the VOBsub text output layers are displayed?

No, don't think so.

SeeMoreDigital · 1st May 2006, 16:34

Okay boys and girls....

Over on my other PC (a £299.00 DELL with crummy on-board Intel graphics but 19" LCD monitor) I installed Haali/Matroska Splitter (Dated: 25-02-2006).

Using Media Player Classic with VMR7 Renderless and with the internal MP4 source filter disabled... When I play the YAMB re-mux, I now see perfect looking and coloured subtitles, identical to the Recode2 source

I suspect Gabest's MP4 source filter requires a little tweak...

Cheers

SeeMoreDigital · 1st May 2006, 17:21

Hmmm!

Just tried playing the "YAMB re-mux" with the newest version of ShowTime 2 Player... and was unable to select the subtitles at all

chipzoller · 1st May 2006, 17:48

I've yet to see any subtitles of any kind using the special build of mp4box and yamb. I get no error when muxing the stream in, but I see nothing when played back using mplayerclassic or vlc.

You guys doing anything special?

Kurtnoise · 1st May 2006, 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipzoller

You guys doing anything special?

depends...what kind of streams did you add with your subtitles ?

@SMD : you remux the vobsub file (embedded in mp4) with other streams or you mux directly each streams (i.e avc/aac/idx) ?

SeeMoreDigital · 1st May 2006, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtnoise13

SMD : you remux the vobsub file (embedded in mp4) with other streams or you mux directly each streams (i.e avc/aac/idx) ?

With the video, I mux the MPEG-4 AVC or SP/ASP streams either RAW or in .MP4.
With the audio, I mux the AAC streams either as .AAC or in .MP4
And with the VOBsubs, as you say, they are de-muxed with YAMB and stored within .MP4

chipzoller · 1st May 2006, 23:29

I was just testing the functionality by muxing vobstream with just the video. Doesn't seem to work on my end.

chipzoller · 2nd May 2006, 06:12

Well after doing some tests with the special build of mp4box/yamb, I've found (VSfilter is not installed on vobsub) that the resulting file (only muxed vobsubs in later to a video/audio stream mp4) only plays with subs (they're green) in nero showtime and not MPC, VLC or with haali splitter (even though it does recognize there are subs present).

Any ideas?

cera · 3rd May 2006, 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipzoller

Well after doing some tests with the special build of mp4box/yamb, I've found (VSfilter is not installed on vobsub) that the resulting file (only muxed vobsubs in later to a video/audio stream mp4) only plays with subs (they're green) in nero showtime and not MPC, VLC or with haali splitter (even though it does recognize there are subs present).

Any ideas?

What vobsub files do you use? Are they originals ripped from DVD or generated? I tried some streams generated from txt2vobsub and no subtitles were displayed, maybe a bug in this program. With original subpictures ripped from DVD I have any problems.
As for green subpictures I see that the problem is in palette stored in .idx file and I also found one bug in Gabest MP4 splitter (for more information please go to: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index...01&atid=571740)

Falco

Kurtnoise · 3rd May 2006, 09:12

Hey Falco,

Glad to see you here...

Problem is : I've also the green sub renderer with Nero Showtime (v 3.0.0.3). Subs come from the DVD.

chipzoller · 3rd May 2006, 14:31

I get green subs also in Nero regardless of the palette in the idx file. I've not tried text->vobsubs...mine are from the DVD.

SeeMoreDigital · 3rd May 2006, 14:51

So far all my subtitle experiments have been with re-using the original Recode2 VOBsubs...

But like I mentioned before, the VOBsubs don't appear in Media Player Classic (using the internal MP4 source filter).

On my other PC which currently only has latest version of Nero 7 installed, Showtime 2 player with not display the subs either. It knows they are there because it lists them under properties but will not lock onto them after being selected

chipzoller · 3rd May 2006, 21:58

I just did a test on one subtitle stream where the subs did not appear green but retained the original formatting. They play back fine if I set Haali's splitter to autoload VSFilter.

I'll upload if interested...

SeeMoreDigital · 3rd May 2006, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipzoller

I just did a test on one subtitle stream where the subs did not appear green but retained the original formatting. They play back fine if I set Haali's splitter to autoload VSFilter.

Yep.. it was the same for me too - See post #22

chipzoller · 3rd May 2006, 23:14

Are the developers planning on fine-tuning vobsubtitle support in MP4, or is this the extent of it?

cera · 4th May 2006, 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtnoise13

Hey Falco,

Glad to see you here...

Problem is : I've also the green sub renderer with Nero Showtime (v 3.0.0.3). Subs come from the DVD.

Hi all,
I found a color conversion bug in my mp4box patch. I sent the updated patch to sourceforge and built a new version of mp4box. You can download it:

http://www.cera.cz/gpac/mp4box-20060504.zip

Regards
Falco

Kurtnoise · 4th May 2006, 14:14

Indeed...Now, it works like a charm with the last Nero ShowTime and the MP4 Splitter from Gabest. Good job Falco.

There is still an issue with Haali Splitter though. (subs are rendered in black for me)

chipzoller · 4th May 2006, 14:59

Yeah, Haali displays mine as a light blue (original yellow) but internal w/ mpc and nero showtime display correctly. Gabest's splitter seems to work fine.

For some reason VLC not only displays them larger, but a different color and aligned incorrectly on the screen.

cera · 4th May 2006, 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurtnoise13

Indeed...Now, it works like a charm with the last Nero ShowTime and the MP4 Splitter from Gabest. Good job Falco.

There is still an issue with Haali Splitter though. (subs are rendered in black for me)

This is problem because Haali Splitter is not opensource and I cannot look for this issue.

What's currently missing is exporting tracks from MP4. But now I'm working on it.

Falco

chipzoller · 4th May 2006, 15:32

Falco,

Would we eventually be able to demux the subtitle stream (assuming vobsub format) back into a vobsub format that still has the original formatting/layout?

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SeeMoreDigital Life's clearer in 4K UHD Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 12,227	Okay boys and girls.... Over on my other PC (a £299.00 DELL with crummy on-board Intel graphics but 19" LCD monitor) I installed Haali/Matroska Splitter (Dated: 25-02-2006). Using Media Player Classic with VMR7 Renderless and with the internal MP4 source filter disabled... When I play the YAMB re-mux, I now see perfect looking and coloured subtitles, identical to the Recode2 source I suspect Gabest's MP4 source filter requires a little tweak... Cheers __________________ \| I've been testing hardware media playback devices and software A/V encoders and decoders since 2001 \| My Network Layout & A/V Gear \| Last edited by SeeMoreDigital; 1st May 2006 at 17:22.

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SeeMoreDigital Life's clearer in 4K UHD Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 12,227	Hmmm! Just tried playing the "YAMB re-mux" with the newest version of ShowTime 2 Player... and was unable to select the subtitles at all __________________ \| I've been testing hardware media playback devices and software A/V encoders and decoders since 2001 \| My Network Layout & A/V Gear \|

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SeeMoreDigital Life's clearer in 4K UHD Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts, UK Posts: 12,227	So far all my subtitle experiments have been with re-using the original Recode2 VOBsubs... But like I mentioned before, the VOBsubs don't appear in Media Player Classic (using the internal MP4 source filter). On my other PC which currently only has latest version of Nero 7 installed, Showtime 2 player with not display the subs either. It knows they are there because it lists them under properties but will not lock onto them after being selected __________________ \| I've been testing hardware media playback devices and software A/V encoders and decoders since 2001 \| My Network Layout & A/V Gear \|

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chipzoller Mr. Woof Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 784	Yeah, Haali displays mine as a light blue (original yellow) but internal w/ mpc and nero showtime display correctly. Gabest's splitter seems to work fine. For some reason VLC not only displays them larger, but a different color and aligned incorrectly on the screen. Last edited by chipzoller; 4th May 2006 at 15:25.

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1st May 2006, 17:48	#24 \| Link
chipzoller Mr. Woof Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 784	I've yet to see any subtitles of any kind using the special build of mp4box and yamb. I get no error when muxing the stream in, but I see nothing when played back using mplayerclassic or vlc. You guys doing anything special?

1st May 2006, 23:29	#27 \| Link
chipzoller Mr. Woof Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 784	I was just testing the functionality by muxing vobstream with just the video. Doesn't seem to work on my end.

2nd May 2006, 06:12	#28 \| Link
chipzoller Mr. Woof Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 784	Well after doing some tests with the special build of mp4box/yamb, I've found (VSfilter is not installed on vobsub) that the resulting file (only muxed vobsubs in later to a video/audio stream mp4) only plays with subs (they're green) in nero showtime and not MPC, VLC or with haali splitter (even though it does recognize there are subs present). Any ideas?

3rd May 2006, 09:12	#30 \| Link
Kurtnoise Swallowed in the Sea Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Aix-en-Provence, France Posts: 5,191	Hey Falco, Glad to see you here... Problem is : I've also the green sub renderer with Nero Showtime (v 3.0.0.3). Subs come from the DVD.

3rd May 2006, 14:31	#31 \| Link
chipzoller Mr. Woof Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 784	I get green subs also in Nero regardless of the palette in the idx file. I've not tried text->vobsubs...mine are from the DVD.

3rd May 2006, 21:58	#33 \| Link
chipzoller Mr. Woof Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 784	I just did a test on one subtitle stream where the subs did not appear green but retained the original formatting. They play back fine if I set Haali's splitter to autoload VSFilter. I'll upload if interested...

3rd May 2006, 23:14	#35 \| Link
chipzoller Mr. Woof Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 784	Are the developers planning on fine-tuning vobsubtitle support in MP4, or is this the extent of it?

4th May 2006, 14:14	#37 \| Link
Kurtnoise Swallowed in the Sea Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Aix-en-Provence, France Posts: 5,191	Indeed...Now, it works like a charm with the last Nero ShowTime and the MP4 Splitter from Gabest. Good job Falco. There is still an issue with Haali Splitter though. (subs are rendered in black for me)

4th May 2006, 15:32	#40 \| Link
chipzoller Mr. Woof Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA Posts: 784	Falco, Would we eventually be able to demux the subtitle stream (assuming vobsub format) back into a vobsub format that still has the original formatting/layout?