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Old 8th September 2009, 08:19   #381  |  Link
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Someone explained me how should work this command line, here is an example ;
4C12bit -i G:\file.wav -l H:\dvda.log

I believe the path has to be as short as possible unless it won't work.

4C12bit has to be in Windows/system32 or you can put it in another directory but in this case you have to write te complete path, for example ;
F:\program\4C12bit.exe -i G:\file.wav -l H:\dvda.log

But I can't make it work yet although I have Power dvd 7 !
I get this message in the DOS window ;
"This software contains part of CyberLink PowerDVD v7, you should have licence to run."

But I have it ! It's the 7.2 BE Edition.
What do I misunderstand ?
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Old 8th September 2009, 11:30   #382  |  Link
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Actually it works !
I believed that no log had been created because of this message in the Dos window but it was created !
Now I have to elucidate what means exactly this log.
If there are some "1" and not only "x", does it mean that the wav is wartermarked ?
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Old 19th September 2009, 03:16   #383  |  Link
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Hey all, thought you'd like to know there is another tool that we now can use for ripping DVD-A's! I was browsing the AVS Forum yesterday here , and there is a new project at sourceforge for a Foobar2000 plugin that can play and rip/convert. Its called simply dvdadecoder. I've been using it for a few hours, and it is really slick. Allows me to rip to a multichannel wav/flac/etc with one step.

Now, I just need to find a method do a CDDB lookup so I can automate the Artist/Album/Track info into the file names and metadata.

Enjoy!
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Old 19th September 2009, 04:07   #384  |  Link
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Hey all, thought you'd like to know there is another tool that we now can use for ripping DVD-A's! I was browsing the AVS Forum yesterday here , and there is a new project at sourceforge for a Foobar2000 plugin that can play and rip/convert. Its called simply dvdadecoder. I've been using it for a few hours, and it is really slick. Allows me to rip to a multichannel wav/flac/etc with one step.
That's old news. Take a look at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...92#post1302992

Enjoy!

P.S.: Speaking of "old news", ...

is ShaPLAY "dead and buried" already?

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Old 19th September 2009, 21:09   #385  |  Link
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If I have extracted some .wav files from a DVD-Audio (96kHz, 24-bit, 5.1) that will fit on a dual layered DVD, what software (preferably free) can I use to make a DVD-Video using these WAV files and a simple menu so that I can play them on any player? It will have to playback without gaps too.
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Old 19th September 2009, 21:56   #386  |  Link
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You will have to compress the wav in Dolby Digital or Dts. BeSweet can do that for Dolby Digital. For Dts, there is Surcode Dts but it's not free ;
http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/products/surcode06.html
To make a simple authoring, there's Muxman, one of the versions is free ;
http://www.mpucoder.com/Muxman/versions.shtml
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Old 20th September 2009, 01:08   #387  |  Link
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Well I already have the original DVD-A with a DTS track, I was hoping I could leave it uncompressed. Does DVD-Video not support 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 channel PCM?
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Old 20th September 2009, 04:16   #388  |  Link
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DVD-lab PRO has a 30-day trial period --- it can easily create a disc containing "audio titles" only. dvdauthor is 100%-freeware, but I don't know whether any of its various GUIs supports all features available in the command-line environment.

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Old 20th September 2009, 07:25   #389  |  Link
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Does DVD-Video not support 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 channel PCM?
No.
With that quality, you have to do a dvd-audio or an AVCHD, as I said here a few weeks ago. But you need a Blu-ray player to play it.
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Does DVD-Video not support 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 channel PCM?
No.
With that quality, you have to do a dvd-audio or an AVCHD, as I said here a few weeks ago. But you need a Blu-ray player to play it.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video#Audio_data says:

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The official allowed formats for the audio tracks on a DVD Video are:

* PCM: 48 kHz or 96 kHz sampling rate, 16 bit or 24 bit L-PCM, 2 to 6 channels, up to 6144 kbit/s. N.B. 16-bit 48 kHz 8 channel PCM is allowed by the DVD-Video specification but is not well-supported by authoring applications or players.
* AC-3: 48 kHz sampling rate, 1 to 5.1 (6) channels, up to 448 kbit/s
* DTS: 48 kHz or 96 kHz sampling rate, 2 to 6.1 channels, Half Rate (768 kbit/s) or Full Rate (1536 kbit/s)
* MP2: 48 kHz sampling rate, 1 to 7.1 channels, up to 912 kbit/s

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Yes, i have seen it several times, but i don't know any authoring program that accept LPCM 5.1 for dvd-video.
And even if you find one, no player will play that for a simple reason : most of dvd-video players have only 2 cinch output and you need 6 (for 5.1). And the SPDIF can't send LPCM in 5.1.
And to respect a norm, a format has to be played by all players compatible with this norm, so it's not really dvd-video compliant.

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Yes, i have seen it several times, but i don't know any authoring program that accept LPCM 5.1 for dvd-video.
And even if you find one, no player will play that for a simple reason : most of dvd-video players have only 2 cinch output and you need 6 (for 5.1). And the SPDIF can't send LPCM in 5.1.
And to respect a norm, a format has to be played by all players compatible with this norm, so it's not really dvd-video compliant.
In general terms, I have to agree with you ---
notwithstanding, I really couldn't help noticing some blatant
contradictions in the paragraph above.
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English is not my mother tongue, so it's not easy to explain a problem as I would do in my language.
Anyway, i belive that there is no contradiction. Because when I say that "most of dvd-video players have only 2 cinch output", it means that some dvd-video players (that only read dvd-video and neither dvd-audio nor Sacd) have 6 cinch output (for players with Dolby Digital and Dts decoder).
And as we need 6 cinch output on a player to hear the LPCM 5.1 (if there is no Hdmi and because we can't send it on SPDIF), we can consider that LPCM 5.1 is not dvd-video compliant, because most of players have not 6 cinch output but only 2.
And a dvd-video has to be played on all dvd-video players, even the old models with only 2 cinch output and without Hdmi.
In this situation, I really believe that this "official" characteristic should be considered as an error and should have been erased of the definitive documentation.

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Old 21st September 2009, 08:12   #394  |  Link
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Simply stated: All DVD players that have a way to output uncompressed, multi-channel audio (usually 6 analogue, but Denon / Pioneer / Meridian have Denonlink / iLink / MHR for encrypted digital) are DVD-Audio players. The players that only play DVD-Video don't have these outputs.
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Yes, but we have to specify to avoid confusion that even dvd-video players that have 6 channel output can't play uncompressed audio.
And to end my argument : let's imagine that we can author a dvd-video with Multichannel PCM : what happens if we play it on a dvd-video player only equipped with 2 cinch and a SPDIF output ? Do we lose 4 channels ? Is there a downmix ?
Actually, I believe the disc will be refused by the player because it's not conceived to manage multichannel PCM.
And in my opinion, the same problem will happen with a player equipped with multichannel output, because this 5.1 output is reserved for Dolby Digital and Dts.
Thus, a dvd player will only play uncompressed multichannel audio if it isn't only a dvd-video player but also a dvd-audio player, with the dvd-audio logo !
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Well, that was a way to say about the same as me in three times the amount of words... :-)
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Simply stated: All DVD players that have a way to output uncompressed, multi-channel audio (usually 6 analogue, but Denon / Pioneer / Meridian have Denonlink / iLink / MHR for encrypted digital) are DVD-Audio players. The players that only play DVD-Video don't have these outputs.
My parents' really old player from ~1998 has 6 channel analogue output and it definitely doesn't play DVD-Audio.

The actual LPCM 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 is in the DVD-Video specification so I don't know why it's such a crazy idea that some might be able to play it.
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Well, that was a way to say about the same as me in three times the amount of words... :-)

Yes, but i like to be complete.
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The actual LPCM 24-bit, 96kHz, 5.1 is in the DVD-Video specification
Actually, I believe it was an idea evoked by the creators of the dvd-video format, but I have never seen any dvd-video player that can manage it, and I don't know any authoring program that can create it.
So I guess this idea was abandoned but leaved in the documentation, wich creates so much confusion for years on several forums.

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And let's be logical : why would the dvd-audio have been invented if dvd-video could do the job ? Only to add the MLP compression ?
If someone managed to create and play a dvd-video with uncompressed 5.1 PCM, we would know that.
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