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Old 21st September 2018, 15:58   #61  |  Link
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so where is the competitions answer to this "fraud"?

it's not like people are happy about this release there is no alternative so they can do what ever they want. and it is not nvidias "propaganda" that created this situation is the fact that vega is a bad card.
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Old 21st September 2018, 16:06   #62  |  Link
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It's so bad that no-one wants these things:

https://www.nowinstock.net/computers...dia/rtx2080ti/

/sarcasm

Get over yourself, nobody cares.

Poor NikosD can't afford the world's premiere GPU, so he goes the sour grapes route. What a joke!
Hahaha.

You are so funny guy!

nVidia was preparing for years this release with a leather-jacket-man show, a huge blog regarding RTX, a huge PDF file of 87 pages for...pre-orders.

Because after the release of real reviews, we had a world's first, the stock of the company with a huge marketing campaign to go down.

What a fail!

From your beloved pure capitalistic company Morgan Stanley with love:
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We are surprised that the 2080 is only slightly better than the 1080ti, which has been available for over a year and is slightly less expensive.
With higher clock speeds, higher core count, and 40% higher memory bandwidth, we had expected a bigger boost.
https://www.techpowerup.com/247780/n...morgan-stanley

Poor videoh...Poor Turing...Poor nVidia.

It probably made its biggest mistake in recent history.

RTX for nVidia is like 10nm for Intel or MS Vista for Microsoft.

Big failures.

Let's see how nVidia is going to cope with this my poor friend.
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Old 21st September 2018, 16:14   #63  |  Link
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Look at the 5-year plot. Stocks always vary over the short term. Your rhetoric and tone really expose you. "nVidia is a fraud" "leather-jacket-man" blah blah blah. Keep it up. You don't need others to discredit you.

When I get my pair of 2080 Ti's installed I'll think of you.

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Old 21st September 2018, 16:45   #64  |  Link
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No, stocks going down after real reviews is not a good sign at all.

But I never said nVidia is s fraud.

I said Turing is a fraud with that price for that performance.

Regarding leather-jacket-man, I don't like a guy presenting such a technical product to have a moto "the more you buy, the more you save"

But it seems he convinced you, at least.

So now you are definitely exposed as a blind nVidia fanatic.

What a pity
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why don't you provide this blind person an eye opening alternative?
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Old 18th November 2018, 09:01   #66  |  Link
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Good news!

The worst stock price drop in the last 10 years for nVidia

https://www.techspot.com/news/77479-...gs-report.html
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Good news!

The worst stock price drop in the last 10 years for nVidia

https://www.techspot.com/news/77479-...gs-report.html
Not so good if you are shareholder
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Old 23rd November 2018, 00:21   #68  |  Link
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We've officially entered another GPU recession; prices and availability will be better, but new designs and technology will be kicked another generation or two down the road, and investment will mostly center around refinements of current tech.

That's not an entirely bad thing, Nvidia's been repositioning itself as a luxury brand for too long now, and it will be nice to have affordable TFlops again.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 02:46   #69  |  Link
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the real problem here is the process. TSMC 12 nm "is" TSMC 16 nm so to make a faster cards that has place for special cores you have to make even bigger dies which result in higher prices the vram is more expensive too. nothing what people want but what we got the fact that AMD has no present with there vega cards doesn't make it any better.

so the question now is 7nm still to expensive to make smaller but faster GPUs or is nvidia trying to milk the end user here until AMD gets competitive again?

i don't understand how nvidia is a luxury brand when you get more or even performance for the same price as the AMD alternatives (atleast in the past two years).

and why does AMD need 2 different products for high end and main stream. you can downscale vega smaller than polaris much smaller but it doesn't look like it is worth it or where are the mainstream vega cards all these years?
but we got vega 64 which is far more expensive in production than a 1080 the HBM2 alone cost 3x GDDR5 and the die is bigger too...
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More and more I think that Raja Koduri doomed AMD GPUs with his Vega design.

He released a chip at 14nm with maximum CU (Compute Units) of 4096 and he couldn't match even 2nd place card of nVidia - Pascal 1080.

Now, even using 7nm, Vega can't upscale to more than 4096 CUs!

Practically we have to wait for another architecture from AMD to hit high-end cards and that would be probably the large Navi 20 at the end of 2019 (!)

If Raja wasn't paid by nVidia or Intel, he should.

Maybe that's why he is working officially for Intel now at discrete cards section.

He managed to ruin a generation of AMD's GPU cards in order for Intel to catch up and nVidia to try crazy things like pseudo-raytracing without consequences.

Anyway, I'm not interested in >1080p gaming so I'm going to wait for my 7nm RyZen 3000 series along with the small Navi 12 also at 7nm in Q2 of 2019.
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well someone has to say it.

the major problem with RTX was that user didn't get more performance for there money. so now that AMD plans a card that does exactly the same thing by matching the price and performance with a 2080 which pretty much justified the RTX cards pricing...

worst possible outcome.
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The Vega architecture just wasn't that great. 300W on 7nm, with memory bandwidth to the moon and back, and they can only match a 2080, which does all of that on 12nm at 225W and only half the memory bandwidth. And not even for cheaper (MSRP is the same as 2080 non-FE)
How bad Vega was/is really shows with this release. Imagine what Turning could do with 300W on 7nm and that massive memory bandwidth.

The only people that might truely be interested in Radeon VII are possibly workstation users that can make full use of its 16GB memory and fast FP64 calculations.

Its a shame though that Navi just doesn't seem ready yet, and even if it was, its likely they are not going to launch anything high-end with it anytime soon, because that would directly undermine the Radeon VII.
Its no secret that I prefer NVIDIA cards at this point, but thats just a product of how underwhelming AMDs recent generations have been. And even if one isn't necessarily interested in buying an AMD card, competition drives innovation and keeps prices in check. And there just is none.

At least they managed to step back onto the CPU playing field, even though they are still playing catch-up in IPC performance. Hopefully the next 5-6 months of finalizing Ryzen 3000 can at least close the gap to Intel, and maybe even make a bit of headroom.
H2/Q4 2019 and 2020 will be interesting for CPUs. For GPUs, we'll have to see.
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Old 14th January 2019, 17:32   #73  |  Link
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Radeon 7 is an all around player.

Yes, it can play games around 30% faster than Vega so it matches 1080 Ti/ 2080 cards, but it can also be used as a workstation card.

It's not only the extremely fast FP64 performance, the out of this world memory bandwidth or the massive 16GB VRAM

It is also the drivers for professional apps, which should be similar to Vega Frontier.

So, a game dev for example could design and play his game on the same card, just by using a switch in the drivers.

HBM2 is still expensive obviously.

Now, Ryzen 3000 series shown at CES completely destroyed the competition.

A medium Ryzen 5 with only 8 cores, matched the performance of the top Core i9 9900K (!) using 130W vs 180W for Intel and without top clocks yet, because it was an engineering sample.

You should expect Ryzen 7 with 12 cores and Ryzen 9 with 16 cores.

Regarding Navi, it will come in summer like Ryzen 3000 series, smashing the middle category performance in terms of price/performance ratio.

Definitely this year belongs to AMD.
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a german news site reported that the FP64 well be crippled.
and the 128 rop are wrong is the same ROP as mi50 64.

https://www.computerbase.de/2019-01/...deon-vii-fp64/

this is yet again a professional card salvaged for the consumer market.
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AMD wants to sell the MI50 after all, the only real reason to get it is the FP64 performance then, it's otherwise pretty close to a Radeon 7.
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Personally I'm waiting for 75W Navi with RX580 performance.
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The last few days I'm under the impression that 1160 Ti or 1660 Ti or whatever name nVidia eventually decides to give to the Turing card with Tensor and RT cores disabled, will be a good card.

It seems to be a lot faster than 1060 6GB, RX 580 & RX 590, with a performance closer to 1070 - a little slower actually.

The initial estimation of its price is ~250$ and if that is true, I think I'm going to buy it.

I'll wait for Navi in summer along with Ryzen 3000 series for my new PC rig.
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i highly doubt that a card with disabled feature will cost this much less the production cost is still the same.

if nvidia is able to produce new chip with no tensor or RT cores i can see a "huge" price difference.

but still if you don't need a new GPU right now i would wait for 7nm card which should give better performance for the money.

not sure if tensor cores should be disabled at all they will or should have a use case in "all" games at one point.
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The chips are designed in such a way that broken parts can be disabled, while keeping a functional chip. So imperfect chips get sold as a lower model.
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yes that'S known but the tensor core are a very specific part.

not like one of these core cuda packs where the defect can be at any of these.
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