madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted) - Page 664

aufkrawall · 6th June 2012, 19:43

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Originally Posted by igvk

I actually tried and know that it's possible with EVR.
Example is in the attachment.
I don't like the idea of setting another "fake" extended desktop that much.
Seems that it's madVR that doesn't recognize this kind of setup.

Don't use Virtu.

The virtual display workaround works fine.

Mikey2 · 7th June 2012, 02:47

I will make this one quick: The fix to my long post (regarding a problem with the new driver and sporadic stuttering) was to turn V-Sync off. I understand tearing issues - my old system (pre-MadVR) was terrible with tearing without D3D turned on. However, I have now watched a few movies since turning V-Sync off and I have yet to see any tearing. (I just need to make sure to set my refresh rate to a multiple of the source material and use ReClock.)

But I am a software engineer (lol who could not figure out a [code] tag

and I like "correct" solutions. It seems to me that the new V-Sync is losing its lock on my file-stream. Does anyone know what I can try for a "real" fix of my issue? (Rather than giving up on V-Sync altogether?)

Thanks again for bearing with me everyone!
MikeY

igvk · 7th June 2012, 06:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by aufkrawall

Don't use Virtu.

The virtual display workaround works fine.

The virtual display workaround isn't convenient at all.
I'm used to quickly switching displays between LCD and projector via Win+P key, and I don't think it will position iGPU display correctly.
The mouse will also tend to jump into another display - it' s annoying.
Nevertheless, thanks for your suggestions - now I know that madVR is incompatible with VirtuMVP, and there still exists a (not perfect) workaround.

FlashGordon · 7th June 2012, 12:45

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added: new IVTC option to only look at pixels in the frame center

Has anyone been playing around with this option? I had it enabled until last night when I kept getting stuttering on certain scenes from a progressive PAL DVD. Turns out disabling it actually fixed the problem. The sequences it happened on seemed rather normal, with IVTC off there seemed to be no problem, but with IVTC on it would detect 'unknown cadence' and stutter. Is there any reason why it would behave this way if it were only looking at the center of the frame? Also, for those of you who use madvr to watch DVDs as well, do you have IVTC forced on even when the DVD is progressive? Would there theoretically be any adverse affects doing so?

dukey · 7th June 2012, 15:46

You can't inverse telecine pal

FlashGordon · 8th June 2012, 01:04

Right, but most of the time I leave IVTC on anyway and it just detects the cadence as 2:2 and no problems. The issue here was the option that only looked at the frame center; with that option enabled certain scenes would stutter. Unchecking that option and still leaving IVTC on would cause no problems.

What I do is just force Film Mode so I don't have to keep switching it, so it stays on for PAL content too and I usually have no problem since it can't get IVTC'd anyway. My last question was in regards to leaving IVTC on even when you don't need it and whether that is recommended or not.

Andy o · 8th June 2012, 03:55

What kind of material is it? Ideally you shouldn't have to look on the center of the frame only, but TV stations put up logos in the borders that run at 60i, messing up IVTC.

FlashGordon · 8th June 2012, 05:21

Film material, retail PAL DVD. The confusing part is that having it look at the entire frame turned out fine, but when it looked at just the center it glitched. It's not like this was consistently happening, either, but there were around 4-5 times that this happened through-out the film. At first I didn't suspect that it was because of this new option, but I turned it off just to test and it turned out to be the culprit

Andy o · 8th June 2012, 06:49

What I meant is that that option to look in the center only is a workaround for the stupid animated logos and ads TV stations put on their shows. It is expected that for normal content without logos, looking at the whole screen would perform better, and in fact that's what madshi recommends for content like animation.

6233638 · 8th June 2012, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by dukey

You can't inverse telecine pal

No, but you need 2:2 cadence detection to determine whether content is 50i or 25p.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlashGordon

Film material, retail PAL DVD. The confusing part is that having it look at the entire frame turned out fine, but when it looked at just the center it glitched. It's not like this was consistently happening, either, but there were around 4-5 times that this happened through-out the film. At first I didn't suspect that it was because of this new option, but I turned it off just to test and it turned out to be the culprit

It would probably be good to post a sample of the section that's causing this.

DGMPGDec will let you cut a section from the DVD.

Open the relevant .VOB file
Make a short selection with the [ and ] tools.
Save Project and Demux Video
Upload the demuxed .m2v file. (I tend to use mediafire)

Personally I just force film mode, because there's virtually nothing I have which is not 25p.

pirlouy · 8th June 2012, 18:24

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Originally Posted by 6233638

The only time you should disable v-sync is when latency matters above image quality. (game tournaments playing for money)

As previously said, I don't want to start a new discussion about Vsync, but I disagree with your point of view (i.e. you're wrong).

If you disable Vsync totally (you have to stop Aero for that), you will not have tearing if you use madVR D3D mode...

6233638 · 9th June 2012, 12:32

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Originally Posted by pirlouy

If you disable Vsync totally (you have to stop Aero for that), you will not have tearing if you use madVR D3D mode...

Then the control must not be disabling V-Sync with madVR.

EDIT: I have just tested this with a 1.85:1 aspect ratio film, and there absolutely is screen tearing with Aero off and V-Sync disabled. It happens to be right near the top of the image though, so it's probably not visible with 2.37:1 films as it will be hidden in the black bars.

JackSparrow1 · 9th June 2012, 16:24

Hello,

Guys i have "intel I5 480M" processor, when playing 10 bit video using MadVR the colors of the video will be bad, here is a picture :

http://i.imgur.com/tdfOV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/eQhnh.jpg

also i have the lastet driver & direct x version .. what's the solution ?

Qaq · 9th June 2012, 17:11

JackSparrow1, the solution is video decoder with Hi10p support. LAV video, for example.

JackSparrow1 · 9th June 2012, 17:27

@Qaq Yeah i'm using LAV video decoder, also i used ffdshow .. but still the same problem .

vivan · 9th June 2012, 18:48

matrix -> YCgCo o_O
Downloaded that video - with EVR everything is ok... because EVR doesn't know what YCgCo is. So stream is broken.

Qaq · 10th June 2012, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackSparrow1

@Qaq Yeah i'm using LAV video decoder, also i used ffdshow .. but still the same problem .

ctrl+j and check

oops, sorry, couldn't see those screenshots.

JackSparrow1 · 10th June 2012, 10:27

@Qaq

http://i.imgur.com/eQhnh.jpg

it's already using PO16 input, but like i said the colors are too bad ..

vivan · 10th June 2012, 11:16

For that broken video disable evrything except RGB24/32 in "Ouput formats". Since LAV doesn't support YCgCo it would also produce "correct" result.
After watching - try writing trojan that will delete any file with name "x264" and send it to the person who encoded that video.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qaq

ctrl+j and check

He already posted screenshot with P010 decoder output!

JackSparrow1 · 10th June 2012, 11:49

@vivan

I'm so stupid! i tried 4 "10 bit" videos all of them from the same person, after that i noticed the problem was from his videos! xD , so now i can watch "10 bit" videos with P016 input normally.. =)

but another problem, there is dropped frames when i use madVR = (

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Andy o Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 962	What kind of material is it? Ideally you shouldn't have to look on the center of the frame only, but TV stations put up logos in the borders that run at 60i, messing up IVTC. __________________ MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI, Ryzen 5900x, RTX 3070, Win 10-64. Pioneer VSX-LX503, LG OLED65C9

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Andy o Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 962	What I meant is that that option to look in the center only is a workaround for the stupid animated logos and ads TV stations put on their shows. It is expected that for normal content without logos, looking at the whole screen would perform better, and in fact that's what madshi recommends for content like animation. __________________ MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI, Ryzen 5900x, RTX 3070, Win 10-64. Pioneer VSX-LX503, LG OLED65C9

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vivan /人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人\ Join Date: May 2011 Location: Russia Posts: 643	matrix -> YCgCo o_O Downloaded that video - with EVR everything is ok... because EVR doesn't know what YCgCo is. So stream is broken. Last edited by vivan; 9th June 2012 at 18:50.

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Mikey2 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 80	I will make this one quick: The fix to my long post (regarding a problem with the new driver and sporadic stuttering) was to turn V-Sync off. I understand tearing issues - my old system (pre-MadVR) was terrible with tearing without D3D turned on. However, I have now watched a few movies since turning V-Sync off and I have yet to see any tearing. (I just need to make sure to set my refresh rate to a multiple of the source material and use ReClock.) But I am a software engineer (lol who could not figure out a [code] tag and I like "correct" solutions. It seems to me that the new V-Sync is losing its lock on my file-stream. Does anyone know what I can try for a "real" fix of my issue? (Rather than giving up on V-Sync altogether?) Thanks again for bearing with me everyone! MikeY

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dukey Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 560	You can't inverse telecine pal

8th June 2012, 01:04	#13266 \| Link
FlashGordon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 42	Right, but most of the time I leave IVTC on anyway and it just detects the cadence as 2:2 and no problems. The issue here was the option that only looked at the frame center; with that option enabled certain scenes would stutter. Unchecking that option and still leaving IVTC on would cause no problems. What I do is just force Film Mode so I don't have to keep switching it, so it stays on for PAL content too and I usually have no problem since it can't get IVTC'd anyway. My last question was in regards to leaving IVTC on even when you don't need it and whether that is recommended or not.

8th June 2012, 05:21	#13268 \| Link
FlashGordon Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 42	Film material, retail PAL DVD. The confusing part is that having it look at the entire frame turned out fine, but when it looked at just the center it glitched. It's not like this was consistently happening, either, but there were around 4-5 times that this happened through-out the film. At first I didn't suspect that it was because of this new option, but I turned it off just to test and it turned out to be the culprit

9th June 2012, 16:24	#13273 \| Link
JackSparrow1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5	Hello, Guys i have "intel I5 480M" processor, when playing 10 bit video using MadVR the colors of the video will be bad, here is a picture : http://i.imgur.com/tdfOV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/eQhnh.jpg also i have the lastet driver & direct x version .. what's the solution ?

9th June 2012, 17:11	#13274 \| Link
Qaq AV heretic Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 422	JackSparrow1, the solution is video decoder with Hi10p support. LAV video, for example.

9th June 2012, 17:27	#13275 \| Link
JackSparrow1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5	@Qaq Yeah i'm using LAV video decoder, also i used ffdshow .. but still the same problem .

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JackSparrow1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5	@Qaq http://i.imgur.com/eQhnh.jpg it's already using PO16 input, but like i said the colors are too bad ..

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JackSparrow1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5	@vivan I'm so stupid! i tried 4 "10 bit" videos all of them from the same person, after that i noticed the problem was from his videos! xD , so now i can watch "10 bit" videos with P016 input normally.. =) but another problem, there is dropped frames when i use madVR = (