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Old 6th March 2014, 18:08   #24381  |  Link
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HD7850DC22GD5V2
1080p 60fps 10bit
none drop frames
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What's the output resolution? I suspect it's playing 1080p movie on a 1080p monitor/TV, so upscaling is not used at all. Otherwise please see my test result of 290X with that setting on page 1218.
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Old 6th March 2014, 18:11   #24382  |  Link
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What's the output resolution? I suspect it's playing 1080p movie on a 1080p monitor/TV, so upscaling is not used at all. Otherwise please see my test result of 290X with that setting on page 1218.
1920x1448@75mhz
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Old 6th March 2014, 18:14   #24383  |  Link
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HD7850DC22GD5V2
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I fear that NNEDI3 also doesn't work, I think no GPU is able to actually run with those settings. Your "trade quality for performance" screen also still has options from v0.85.4 which shouldn't be there. At this point you may want to try reinstalling MadVR completely and updating to the latest AMD drivers. I'd also recommend resetting your settings, since some of your settings are impossible and in the other cases I prefer the default.
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Old 6th March 2014, 18:28   #24384  |  Link
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I have simply changed the name of the version 0.85.4 and have added last point at the very bottom.
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Old 6th March 2014, 19:07   #24385  |  Link
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@secvensor: are you using these settings for benchmarks, or do you use it as a base ?
It looks like you're trying to put every options to use the most CPU/GPU possible, instead of searching for stability. There are settings you should not change if you don't understand them well.
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Old 6th March 2014, 19:09   #24386  |  Link
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@secvensor

what are you trying to say us what's the point?

you watch a 1080p file on a 1080p screen and post image doubling settings no gpu can handle and they are not even active?

256 neuron for chroma no gpu can do this for a 23p 1080p 4:2:0 source..
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Old 6th March 2014, 19:20   #24387  |  Link
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Good work Madshi! As usual!
The new dithering options are working well

Nothing to deal with the new version but can someone explain to me what is vsync interval?
On 4 differents monitors with a 23.976Hz movie, my vsync interval is the same: 20.85ms. Is it normal?
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Old 6th March 2014, 19:40   #24388  |  Link
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I use it as a base on 1600x1200@100mhz
end as test on 1920x1448@75mhz.
0 dropped frames on any size (320p~1080p).
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if i set "several frames at advance", my gpu begins drope frames.
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Old 6th March 2014, 20:23   #24389  |  Link
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My experience was when I reset my settings to default most if not all of my set options remained the same, I thought there was a bug because the default for Luma doubling wasn't set at 32.

I had to reset to defaults a second time for everything to reset properly.
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Old 6th March 2014, 21:03   #24390  |  Link
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With version 0.87.5, when I am playing a video on a secondary screen, when it goes to the next (or previous) video, it crashes.
I was able to reproduce this on the secondary monitor. Should be fixed in v0.87.6.

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I'm not sure if this is only happening to me, but when I minimize the player that was on my secondary monitor (extended), regardless of whether it was paused or playing, the player freezes and it has a black screen when brought back and I'm unable to close it without ending the process from the task manager. I've tested with both the latest MPC-BE and MPC-HC.
I was not able to reproduce this problem here. But there are a couple of other bug fixes in v0.87.6, maybe one of them fixes this problem for you, too?

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Madshi, last year i bought a 7750 for jinc3-4, now i have to buy a 280x for NNEDI3 and others features . Can i know your roadmap for 2014, so if i have to buy a 290x i buy it directly
I'm sorry, but I don't have a roadmap. Not even a secret one. I do what I do when I do it. I do not like to plan a long time into the future, if I don't have to.

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I have an issue with the latest build v0.87.5. When I start a video in Overlay mode I have a black screen, only the sound is working. The picture appears when I resize the video or hit Ctrl+J for example.
Yes, I saw this, too. Should be fixed in v0.87.6.

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How are you able to do this? I also have a 7770, and even with all the relevant trade for performance checked, and bicubic (no AR) for chroma, CR for downsizing, I can't run any of the nnedi luma doubling with 720p24 content on a 1080p screen. 16 neurons gives me ~42 ms rendering time and 64 neurons gives me ~62.
Well, 42ms is pretty close. 1000/23.976 = 41.71ms. If you can just shove off 2-3ms it would probably run fine, in fullscreen exclusive mode at least. I've been testing this with a 1680x1050 monitor, that probably explains why it worked for me.

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Is there a way to tell whether Error diffusion is working other than increased CPU usage? Technically my GTS450 is DX11 capable so I'm gonna assume it works.
If you can't see a difference then be happy and stick to ordered dithering. It's quite a bit faster... If you want to see a difference, try setting your display to 3 bit in the madVR device setup. Just for kicks, only, of course.

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Nothing to deal with the new version but can someone explain to me what is vsync interval?
It's the duration of one refresh period (VSync) of your display. If you have 20.85ms that suggest that your display is set to (1000 / 20.85 =) 47.96Hz.
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Old 6th March 2014, 21:09   #24391  |  Link
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madVR v0.87.6 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

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* fixed: #090: FSE mode switched to 23Hz instead of 24Hz in Windows 8
* fixed: #127: crash when jumping to next video file on secondary monitor
* fixed: #173: overlay: exiting multiple windows in same order -> black screen
* madTPG now forces ordered dither, but you can en/disable colored & dynamic
* added support for new subtitle API ISubRenderConsumer2::Clear()
To be honest, I hadn't planned to release a new official build so quickly, but I've fixed two important bugs (one crash, one overlay related) and found one very important improvement. So I thought it would be worth a new build. The improvement is that FSE mode should hopefully work with the correct refresh rates now even in Windows 8 and 8.1. So you can finally use 23.976Hz, 24.000Hz, 59.940Hz and 60.000Hz again, and madVR should happily switch to exactly the refresh rate you want. At least it seems to work on my AMD GPU, while all older builds didn't. I think it should work for NVidia and Intel, too.

(Of course the refresh rate problem was - and still is - a serious bug in Windows 8. I've just hacked my way around it now.)
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Old 6th March 2014, 21:14   #24392  |  Link
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24Hz works correctly for me on Nvidia now, and also seems to have fixed another bug too.


Looking back, I should have done a better job documenting how to reproduce that one - I think I had a detailed post about it here, but that was 8 months ago.

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Old 6th March 2014, 21:22   #24393  |  Link
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All looks good to me so far thanks.
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Old 6th March 2014, 21:25   #24394  |  Link
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24Hz works correctly for me on Nvidia now, and also seems to have fixed another bug too.
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All looks good to me so far thanks.
Yey!
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Old 6th March 2014, 21:49   #24395  |  Link
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No issue here. Are you sure it's not this bug I reported which is causing your issue?
Indeed, it is related to smooth motion. If I disable it, still images at least show again. However, if I let the still image on for a couple of seconds, it suddenly disappears and I have a black screen again. It seems madVR 0.87.5 for some reason empties the queues after a couple of seconds, even after both keep being filled with 0.87.4. I have just reproduced that behaviour 3 times. Not even pausing the playback helps in this situation.

So there definitely is some change in behaviour from 0.87.4, which breaks still images for me.

I used these settings:
(1) enable "delay playback start until render queue is full"
(2) disable "enable smooth motion frame rate conversion"

Otherwise still images donīt work at all.

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Old 6th March 2014, 22:01   #24396  |  Link
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(Of course the refresh rate problem was - and still is - a serious bug in Windows 8. I've just hacked my way around it now.)
hacker these days now i can at least think about to use windows i hope this works!

http://bugs.madshi.net/view.php?id=174
i can't reproduce this error with fullscreen exclusive mode on 87.6
and after down draging to 87.5 i got a hard time to reproduce this but in the end is got it again, then it happens over and over again but 87.6 looks fine so who cares.

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I use it as a base on 1600x1200@100mhz
end as test on 1920x1448@75mhz.
0 dropped frames on any size (320p~1080p).
huhn
if i set "several frames at advance", my gpu begins drope frames.
both screens use window mode both screen didn't show any problems at all.

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Old 6th March 2014, 22:50   #24397  |  Link
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Thanks! 0.87.6 works fine, no secondary screen crash bug as stated in the changelog
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Old 6th March 2014, 23:04   #24398  |  Link
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madVR v0.87.6 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

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* fixed: #090: FSE mode switched to 23Hz instead of 24Hz in Windows 8
* fixed: #127: crash when jumping to next video file on secondary monitor
* fixed: #173: overlay: exiting multiple windows in same order -> black screen
* madTPG now forces ordered dither, but you can en/disable colored & dynamic
* added support for new subtitle API ISubRenderConsumer2::Clear()
To be honest, I hadn't planned to release a new official build so quickly, but I've fixed two important bugs (one crash, one overlay related) and found one very important improvement. So I thought it would be worth a new build. The improvement is that FSE mode should hopefully work with the correct refresh rates now even in Windows 8 and 8.1. So you can finally use 23.976Hz, 24.000Hz, 59.940Hz and 60.000Hz again, and madVR should happily switch to exactly the refresh rate you want. At least it seems to work on my AMD GPU, while all older builds didn't. I think it should work for NVidia and Intel, too.

(Of course the refresh rate problem was - and still is - a serious bug in Windows 8. I've just hacked my way around it now.)
Thanks for the new build but your workaround for FSE mode in Windows 8 doesn't work for me. It still swiths to 23.976Hz instead of 24.000Hz. The only difference I can see is when my screen is set to 60.000Hz and when I go in fullscreen, for a few seconds madVR tells my screen is in 0.000Hz and I have a lot of stutters. After a few seconds, everything works fine but it's set at 23.976Hz.

I'm under Windows 8 Pro 64 bits and I have a Geforce GTX660 327.23
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Old 6th March 2014, 23:19   #24399  |  Link
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Oh great, you're working on the W8 refresh rate rolling problem. Hopefully you'll iron it out for good and I'll be able to update to the next W8 iteration with mVR able to go 24/50/60Hz without a itch
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Old 6th March 2014, 23:31   #24400  |  Link
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I was not able to reproduce this problem here. But there are a couple of other bug fixes in v0.87.6, maybe one of them fixes this problem for you, too?
I just tried v0.87.6 and the freezing problem is gone. Thanks!

Though, this issue still is there but it's not affecting my experience and doesn't happen with neither overlay or FSE mode:

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when I bring back the minimized window, the first frame that appears is strange:

http://imageshack.com/a/img138/5719/mmhr.png

It stays for less than a second then it goes back to normal. When I kept minimizing and maximizing, It mostly happens but sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it's replaced by a black frame. The number characters keep changing too. After many minimizing and maximizing, that frame doesn't appear and is replaced by a black frame.
I think this might be a problem on my side as I'm starting to feel I need a clean Windows reinstall because I haven't done that in over a year while I installed and uninstalled a lot of stuff that might've broke something throughout. I also think that the registry may be cluttered and need to be reset.

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