EVOB De/Multiplexers - Page 35

agentusa · 28th February 2007, 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichalHabart

I have to disagree with you. i am also converting HD-DVD to 720p but i would love to have also 5.1 sound (DTS would be the best choice)

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that 5.1 sound would not be useful. But for now, if we can convert DD+ to stereo, I would like to see it in the guide. Thanks.

drmpeg · 28th February 2007, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichalHabart

OK, sample is here:
http://www.rogepost.com/n/1781324427

Hopefully it will be usefull for you. According to info there should be 3 audio tracks, 1 LPCM and 2 DD.

Very useful. Here's the latest version of xport with tested LPCM demuxing. For now, it creates a 2-channel raw audio file that can be read (and played) by Goldwave.

http://www.w6rz.net/xport.zip

This is version 0.93 (I just started counting at 0.9).

For the sample file:

Code:

C:\xfer>xport -h head.m2ts 1 1 2
xport Transport Stream Demuxer 0.93
program = 1, video channel = 1, audio channel = 2
Program Number = 0 (0x0000), Program Map PID = 31 (0x001f)
Program Number = 1 (0x0001), Program Map PID = 256 (0x0100)
program descriptor = 0x05, 0x04, 0x48, 0x44, 0x4d, 0x56
program descriptor = 0x88, 0x04, 0x0f, 0xff, 0xff, 0xfc
Video PID = 4113 <0x1011>, type = 0x02
ES descriptor for stream type 0x02 = 0x05, 0x08, 0x48, 0x44, 0x4d, 0x56, 0xff, 0
x02, 0x61, 0x3f
ES descriptor for stream type 0x81 = 0x05, 0x04, 0x41, 0x43, 0x2d, 0x33
ES descriptor for stream type 0x81 = 0x81, 0x04, 0x06, 0x48, 0x0e, 0x00
Audio PID = 4353 <0x1101>, type = 0x80
ES descriptor for stream type 0x80 = 0x05, 0x08, 0x48, 0x44, 0x4d, 0x56, 0xff, 0
x80, 0x61, 0x7f
ES descriptor for stream type 0x81 = 0x05, 0x04, 0x41, 0x43, 0x2d, 0x33
ES descriptor for stream type 0x81 = 0x81, 0x04, 0x06, 0x48, 0x0e, 0x00
Sequence Header found
0 frames before first Sequence Header
Horizontal size = 1920
Vertical size = 1080
Aspect ratio = 16:9
Frame rate = 23.976
Sequence header bitrate = 30000000 bps
Progressive Sequence = 1
First Video PTS = 0x000ffff0
LPCM Audio Mode = 3/2+lfe
LPCM Audio Bits/sample = 16
LPCM Audio Sample Rate = 48000
ts rate = unspecified, video rate =  15194822
packets for pid    0 <0x0000> = 205, first = 1, last = 259620
packets for pid   31 <0x001f> = 22, first = 3, last = 254928
packets for pid  256 <0x0100> = 205, first = 2, last = 259621
packets for pid 4097 <0x1001> = 214, first = 4, last = 259429
packets for pid 4113 <0x1011> = 180949, first = 5, last = 260315
packets for pid 4352 <0x1100> = 8688, first = 246, last = 260283
packets for pid 4353 <0x1101> = 61446, first = 248, last = 260417
packets for pid 4354 <0x1102> = 8688, first = 251, last = 260285
coded frames = 456, video frames = 456

C:\xfer>

You should be able to listen to bits0001.mpa in Goldwave. When it asks you for the raw file format, choose "PCM signed 16 bit, big endian, stereo" and 48000 Rate(Hz).

For multi-channel audio, we'll have to decide what the best raw file format is. Either one file wit all channels, or multiple files with a pair of channels each.

Ron

PurpleMan · 28th February 2007, 16:19

Suppose I demux the EVO to VC1/AC3/SUP files, then I reencode the VC1 into an h264 HD-DVD compliant file.

My goal would be to then reauthor (or remux) the h264 to replace the demuxed VC1 and remux h264/AC3/SUP back to a .EVO file to replace the original on the disc.

Hopefully this would mean I could reburn the HDDVD content, only with my reencoded h264 to a DVDR-DL.

the big question is -

how can we generate .MAP file for the new authored/muxed EVO, I managed to make a .EVO with scenarist 4.1, but it only builds it in IFO-based structure, so no .MAPs.

MichalHabart · 28th February 2007, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by drmpeg

Very useful. Here's the latest version of xport with tested LPCM demuxing. For now, it creates a 2-channel raw audio file that can be read (and played) by Goldwave.

http://www.w6rz.net/xport.zip

This is version 0.93 (I just started counting at 0.9).

For the sample file:

Code:

C:\xfer>xport -h head.m2ts 1 1 2
xport Transport Stream Demuxer 0.93
program = 1, video channel = 1, audio channel = 2
Program Number = 0 (0x0000), Program Map PID = 31 (0x001f)
Program Number = 1 (0x0001), Program Map PID = 256 (0x0100)
program descriptor = 0x05, 0x04, 0x48, 0x44, 0x4d, 0x56
program descriptor = 0x88, 0x04, 0x0f, 0xff, 0xff, 0xfc
Video PID = 4113 <0x1011>, type = 0x02
ES descriptor for stream type 0x02 = 0x05, 0x08, 0x48, 0x44, 0x4d, 0x56, 0xff, 0
x02, 0x61, 0x3f
ES descriptor for stream type 0x81 = 0x05, 0x04, 0x41, 0x43, 0x2d, 0x33
ES descriptor for stream type 0x81 = 0x81, 0x04, 0x06, 0x48, 0x0e, 0x00
Audio PID = 4353 <0x1101>, type = 0x80
ES descriptor for stream type 0x80 = 0x05, 0x08, 0x48, 0x44, 0x4d, 0x56, 0xff, 0
x80, 0x61, 0x7f
ES descriptor for stream type 0x81 = 0x05, 0x04, 0x41, 0x43, 0x2d, 0x33
ES descriptor for stream type 0x81 = 0x81, 0x04, 0x06, 0x48, 0x0e, 0x00
Sequence Header found
0 frames before first Sequence Header
Horizontal size = 1920
Vertical size = 1080
Aspect ratio = 16:9
Frame rate = 23.976
Sequence header bitrate = 30000000 bps
Progressive Sequence = 1
First Video PTS = 0x000ffff0
LPCM Audio Mode = 3/2+lfe
LPCM Audio Bits/sample = 16
LPCM Audio Sample Rate = 48000
ts rate = unspecified, video rate =  15194822
packets for pid    0 <0x0000> = 205, first = 1, last = 259620
packets for pid   31 <0x001f> = 22, first = 3, last = 254928
packets for pid  256 <0x0100> = 205, first = 2, last = 259621
packets for pid 4097 <0x1001> = 214, first = 4, last = 259429
packets for pid 4113 <0x1011> = 180949, first = 5, last = 260315
packets for pid 4352 <0x1100> = 8688, first = 246, last = 260283
packets for pid 4353 <0x1101> = 61446, first = 248, last = 260417
packets for pid 4354 <0x1102> = 8688, first = 251, last = 260285
coded frames = 456, video frames = 456

C:\xfer>

You should be able to listen to bits0001.mpa in Goldwave. When it asks you for the raw file format, choose "PCM signed 16 bit, big endian, stereo" and 48000 Rate(Hz).

For multi-channel audio, we'll have to decide what the best raw file format is. Either one file wit all channels, or multiple files with a pair of channels each.

Ron

Thanks for that, i will definitely try. Now the only thing is to find out to what file put multichannel, as you said. I think best will be 6 mono wavs or 1 multiwav, if possible.

Jack-Bauer · 28th February 2007, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichalHabart

I have to disagree with you. i am also converting HD-DVD to 720p but i would love to have also 5.1 sound (DTS would be the best choice)

Hello everybody,

I am surprised that nobody in this forum noticed that the so-called 2.0 output delivered by the IntervideoAudioDecoder is in fact a Dolby Prologic II signal containing all the information needed for channel routing.

Starting from that evidence, it is easy to upmix to 5.1 channels with very good results, see:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57736

I have personally reencoded a couple of HD-DVDs DD+ tracks into AC3-5.1 using this technique.
As the IntervideoAudioProcessorFX is an active filter using patented software from Dolby, the output is like to be the best for such an upmix.

You will be surprised by an excellent centering of the voices as well as excellent surrounding effects. Even did I notice actual stereo in the rear channels. Friends of mine have been completely mistaken by the result ("whouah....such a sound!". No comment...)

Of course, the DirectX 2GB limit can be overcome by splitting the 2.0 track into 50-minute parts prior to upconverting, giving smaller-than-2GB 6-channel wav files. The split 5.1 files are then reassembled in VEGAS, using the 2.0 track for synchro.

Why dont you give it a try?

Pelican9 · 28th February 2007, 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by idamien

Yes, it´s HDDVD_TS (not HVDVD_TS)... I´m fixing it now... thanks!

backwards

Quote:

Originally Posted by idamien

As for pic 5: are you referring to the pic with the "Read EVO" button highlighted??? Do you really think it´s not necessary?

No. pic 5 = 0005.jpg with the Cancel button.

MichalHabart · 28th February 2007, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack-Bauer

Hello everybody,

I am surprised that nobody in this forum noticed that the so-called 2.0 output delivered by the IntervideoAudioDecoder is in fact a Dolby Prologic II signal containing all the information needed for channel routing.

Starting from that evidence, it is easy to upmix to 5.1 channels with very good results, see:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57736

I have personally reencoded a couple of HD-DVDs DD+ tracks into AC3-5.1 using this technique.
As the IntervideoAudioProcessorFX is an active filter using patented software from Dolby, the output is like to be the best for such an upmix.

You will be surprised by an excellent centering of the voices as well as excellent surrounding effects. Even did I notice actual stereo in the rear channels. Friends of mine have been completely mistaken by the result ("whouah....such a sound!". No comment...)

Of course, the DirectX 2GB limit can be overcome by splitting the 2.0 track into 50-minute parts prior to upconverting, giving smaller-than-2GB 6-channel wav files. The split 5.1 files are then reassembled in VEGAS, using the 2.0 track for synchro.

Why dont you give it a try?

I tried but what filetype are you using as source for graphedit? and i can't see any filter called IntervideoAudioProcessorFX in my graphedit even if i have intervideo windvd installed

can you please paste here some sort walkthrought how you actually did this?

MichalHabart · 28th February 2007, 17:23

And one more thing, what is MLP audio track? It should some sort of lossless audio, right? Is there some way to decode it to something playable, for example DTS or DD?

Jack-Bauer · 28th February 2007, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichalHabart

I tried but what filetype are you using as source for graphedit? and i can't see any filter called IntervideoAudioProcessorFX in my graphedit even if i have intervideo windvd installed

can you please paste here some sort walkthrought how you actually did this?

I will be posting a tutorial on BinnewZ (french) by the end of the week and will translate it as soon as possible.

For the intervideo filter, you probably need to get this rev:
Binsearch: Windvd.8.Hd-Dvd.Blu-Ray

In the meanwhile:
http://www.binnewsgroup.com/binnewz/...&CODE=03&id=92
Last part "ENCODAGE AUDIO" to get the 2.0 wav file.

Then the upmix:

FileSource(async) "in-2ch.wav" => WaveParser => IntervideoAudioProcessorFx => WAVdest => FileWriter "out-6ch.wav"

I will provide you with a hard-wired "upmix.grf" file which takes c:\track2.wav and outputs c:\upmix6.wav

This patched GRF file will prevent you from having to HEXedit the output file as required in:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57736

Jack

Darth Pinous · 28th February 2007, 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack-Bauer

I will be posting a tutorial on BinnewZ (french) by the end of the week and will translate it as soon as possible.

Jack

Merci pour le guide sur Binnews, Jack.
That's good to finally here something out of a DD+ track !

Do you know if it's possible to feed Scenarist Nav Filter directly with a DD+ track (like a ddp file) ?
Does it work for Dolby TrueHD audio tracks too ?

zgx · 28th February 2007, 17:53

From what I understand every E-AC-3 stream contains a 640Kbps "AC-3 core" that can be extracted by DD+ capable software.

Most of the DD+ soundtracks on HD DVD movies that I have seen have been at 640Kbps (only a few have been higher).

Am I correct when I assume that audio information found in a 640Kbps E-AC-3 stream is identical to the "AC-3 core" of the same stream?

Pelican9 · 28th February 2007, 17:54

What about DTS? Why nobody wants to make DTS audio track (where avaiable)?

Pelican9 · 28th February 2007, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by zgx

Am I correct when I assume that audio information found in a 640Kbps E-AC-3 stream is identical to the "AC-3 core" of the same stream?

Shortly: No.
It needs a partially re-encode to get a normal ac3 sound.
PowerDVD can do it during playback...

zgx · 28th February 2007, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichalHabart

And one more thing, what is MLP audio track? It should some sort of lossless audio, right? Is there some way to decode it to something playable, for example DTS or DD?

"Meridian Lossless Packing" a lossless compression technique for audio that is the base for Dolby TrueHD. For more information see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian_Lossless_Packing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

orbitlee · 28th February 2007, 18:22

Well, another DD+ decoder. So we know Intervideo audio decoder outputs 2.0 instead of 5.1.
asasadad_1 mentioned that Sonic decoder pack can work with EVOB/VC1/DD+ at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...436#post962436

I tried sonic decoder pack on two PCs, works on one PC, does not work on another PC. No idea what's wrong.

Anyway, I modified DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter which can work with sonic audio decoder. The source filter I posted a few pages eariler does not work(need small tweak). I'm pretty sure the output is real 5.1. You may want to give it a try
http://www.sendspace.com/file/knvhiz

For the sonic decoder pack, PM me please.

Jan2001 · 28th February 2007, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack-Bauer

Then the upmix:

FileSource(async) "in-2ch.wav" => WaveParser => IntervideoAudioProcessorFx => WAVdest => FileWriter "out-6ch.wav"

Thanks for your ideas, but that connecting filesource and waveparser crashes graphedit. Any idea why?
Furthermore I do not have a filter called wavdest? Where to get from?

MichalHabart · 28th February 2007, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelican9

What about DTS? Why nobody wants to make DTS audio track (where avaiable)?

I always use DTS track if it is available.

And thatswhy i am interested how to decode MLP or LPCM because it can be passed into DTS

Jack-Bauer · 28th February 2007, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan2001

Thanks for your ideas, but that connecting filesource and waveparser crashes graphedit. Any idea why?
Furthermore I do not have a filter called wavdest? Where to get from?

Try loading your 2.0 wav into filesource(sync), then click-right on the output pin and render it. Just keep the first two filters and delete the rest. Then try to connect the leftover output pin to the IntervideoAudioProcessorFx filter.

WAVdest.ax is part of the graphedit pack. You just have to register it in a DOS-like window:
regsvr32.exe wavdest.ax

Jack

zgx · 28th February 2007, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelican9

What about DTS? Why nobody wants to make DTS audio track (where avaiable)?

I think that 1,509 Mbps DTS is the best sounding multichannel signal that can be sent over an S/PDIF interface (please correct me if I'm wrong here). If that is the case it's what I would like on most backups if the source has a lossless audio track.

Hwindu · 28th February 2007, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by zgx

"Meridian Lossless Packing" a lossless compression technique for audio that is the base for Dolby TrueHD. For more information see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian_Lossless_Packing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

I’ve been looking into MLP track, it’s not a regular MLP as it was in DVD- Audio.

A bunch of DVD Audio authoring software out there wouldn’t recognize the MLP extracted with EVODemux. I think it’s encapsulated into Dolby TrueHD format somehow and as we know, there is no Dolby TrueHD software decoder yet.

If we’ll be able somehow decode this track, we would be able to encode it to another lossless multichannel codec like FLAC or WMA and add it to a new container, and play on computer without HDMI.

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PurpleMan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 273	Suppose I demux the EVO to VC1/AC3/SUP files, then I reencode the VC1 into an h264 HD-DVD compliant file. My goal would be to then reauthor (or remux) the h264 to replace the demuxed VC1 and remux h264/AC3/SUP back to a .EVO file to replace the original on the disc. Hopefully this would mean I could reburn the HDDVD content, only with my reencoded h264 to a DVDR-DL. the big question is - how can we generate .MAP file for the new authored/muxed EVO, I managed to make a .EVO with scenarist 4.1, but it only builds it in IFO-based structure, so no .MAPs.

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zgx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 94	From what I understand every E-AC-3 stream contains a 640Kbps "AC-3 core" that can be extracted by DD+ capable software. Most of the DD+ soundtracks on HD DVD movies that I have seen have been at 640Kbps (only a few have been higher). Am I correct when I assume that audio information found in a 640Kbps E-AC-3 stream is identical to the "AC-3 core" of the same stream?

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Pelican9 Coder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Around the World Posts: 697	What about DTS? Why nobody wants to make DTS audio track (where avaiable)?

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orbitlee Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 78	Well, another DD+ decoder. So we know Intervideo audio decoder outputs 2.0 instead of 5.1. asasadad_1 mentioned that Sonic decoder pack can work with EVOB/VC1/DD+ at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...436#post962436 I tried sonic decoder pack on two PCs, works on one PC, does not work on another PC. No idea what's wrong. Anyway, I modified DTS/AC3/DD+ source filter which can work with sonic audio decoder. The source filter I posted a few pages eariler does not work(need small tweak). I'm pretty sure the output is real 5.1. You may want to give it a try http://www.sendspace.com/file/knvhiz For the sonic decoder pack, PM me please.