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Old 4th August 2016, 03:40   #39021  |  Link
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anyone uses Nvidia DSR with MadVR on MPC-HC with a 1080p display.. is it recommended for 2k or 4k then downscaling to native res?
Doesn't work. Use NNEDI3 and your choice of downscaler, I'd recommend SSIM 1D/2D and Jinc.

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Old 4th August 2016, 06:12   #39022  |  Link
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YES. MY findings:

OK. Here's my fun-times with MAD-VR and 4K + HDR. Running 0.90.23 in MPC-HC with a 12 core XEON and GTX 1080 on an HP DeamColor z32x 4K monitor.

Windowed: like butter. Even with the window nearly the full size of the 4K display. GPU clock :1.8 GHZ, load (with all HDR processing enabled: 75%) No dropped frames decoding 4k60p HDR.

Full screen exclusive: Drops frames like mad with both 4K24 or 4K60. GPU-Z shows the GPU clock is WAY lower at 835Mhz and fully loaded. Unusable. Even dialing back settings, frames still drop.

Really odd.
Interesting. Actually my core clock is just fine, but the memory runs slower than usual, typical for the "2d" p-state used for blu-ray etc. I will do some testing and see if windowed makes any difference.
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My GTX 1080 is supposed to arrive today and it's slated for my HTPC so I will report back after testing.
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Old 4th August 2016, 13:33   #39024  |  Link
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My GTX 1080 is supposed to arrive today and it's slated for my HTPC so I will report back after testing.
Give the leaked 369.09 drivers a shot too (new branch)
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Old 4th August 2016, 14:15   #39025  |  Link
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Yeah, if you have strange problems with video playback (glitches, frame drops, stuttering) and Pascal cards (GTX 1060/1070/1080) try newer drivers. There are reports about dpc latency problems. Unfortunately, many report even the Hotfix drivers don't fix them completely. (Don't know about 369.09 suggested by ryrnz.)

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...-stuttering/1/
https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...driver-368-95/
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Old 4th August 2016, 19:32   #39026  |  Link
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Guys, Check your OSD after installing the Anniversary update as 14393.10 broke NNEDI3 on my GTX 960 and may likely bork other setups too.

NNEDI3 was working fine previously just prior to the update, I simply reinstalled the graphics drivers selecting a clean install and it's working fine now.
NNEDI3 broke on my machine, too. After reinstalling the drivers, the problems in MPC-HC playback went away, but it doesn't work in JRiver MC. Maybe a clean install isn't enough. I could try a deep uninstall and then repeat the clean install.

MPC-HC has a different madVR problem, though. I can't get out of FSE mode with the mouse, I have to use the keyboard. No idea what that's about.
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Old 4th August 2016, 19:57   #39027  |  Link
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Give the leaked 369.09 drivers a shot too (new branch)
The 368.81 drivers worked fine for me under 8.1 x64. It's 80% faster than my R9 380 in the 5 madVR scenarios I tested. I'm not 100% confident in those numbers because it looked like the card was clocking itself down some due to not being heavily loaded by the madVR settings. I will see if I can force the highest power state and try again.
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Old 4th August 2016, 21:43   #39028  |  Link
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Hi guys. After win10 anniversary update, madVR crashes in full screen mode (exclusive or not is the same). I'm on laptop (graphic: Intel hd 530 with latest driver and nvidia 970m with 359.54 driver - I know, 368.81 are the latest) and jriver as media player. I've reinstalled jriver, madvr (0.90.23), both driver intel and nvidia, and nothing to do (no problem with standard red october). Anyone experienced that problem? Thanks

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Old 4th August 2016, 23:08   #39029  |  Link
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Post-anniversary update, the performance drop between .90.20 and .90.23 has worsened. Performance in .90.20 is also worse.

I clean installed both my intel and AMD drivers, and issue persists.

Something new: in FS windowed mode, I get really bad horizontal striping artifacts. These stripes are long, thin rectangular blocks/fragments from frames that were already presented. Artefact issue goes away in FSE mode. Performance in FSE mode is now what it was in FS windowed mode before the win10 update, but the FS windowed mode performance is 10-20% slower and prevents smooth playback at old settings.

For now, changing playback to FSE mode and staying with .90.20 is the only way I have acceptable performance and reliability.

Jeez, just couldn't have had a smooth upgrade, hey?
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Old 4th August 2016, 23:54   #39030  |  Link
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This GTX 1080 is a lot of fun. I've got a 1080p display. I can play back p24 DVDs with NNEDI3-128 Luma doubling, NNEDI3-32 Chroma doubling, NNEDI3-64 Luma quadrupling, NNEDI3-32 Chroma quadrupling, SSIM2D 100AR downscaling, all the upscaling refinements enabled (with light settings) except for LumaSharpen and the render time is about 37mS.

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Old 5th August 2016, 00:35   #39031  |  Link
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this test file is kind of broken.

it is interlanced and madVr isn't deinterlancing it because it is saying that is has 60 FPS before deinterlancing.

when lavfilter is deinterlancing than madVr things this file is 120 hz.
ok that would explain it
thanks for the information

is anyone else using a 3D LUT calibration with madvr?
how many patches do you use for profiling?
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Old 5th August 2016, 10:16   #39032  |  Link
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is anyone else using a 3D LUT calibration with madvr?
how many patches do you use for profiling?
i use a 3D LUT and i use way to many patches about 12000.

choosing patches depends a lot on your screen. if your gamut is close to DCI P3 i would use more patches for a BT 709 3D LUT.

maybe you will liek this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...llcms-146.html
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Old 5th August 2016, 13:51   #39033  |  Link
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This GTX 1080 is a lot of fun. I've got a 1080p display. I can play back p24 DVDs with NNEDI3-128 Luma doubling, NNEDI3-32 Chroma doubling, NNEDI3-64 Luma quadrupling, NNEDI3-32 Chroma quadrupling, SSIM2D 100AR downscaling, all the upscaling refinements enabled (with light settings) except for LumaSharpen and the render time is about 37mS.
Now that sounds like so much fun! Makes us curious if you can post some example pictures, would be fun seeing the results

Can't wait for 1080 laptops to emerge!



BTW, with everyone complaining about performance drops after windows updates, is there a solution to it? It did not happen to me yet, but my windows build is custom made, just want to know for future references.
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Old 5th August 2016, 14:19   #39034  |  Link
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I noticed a ~3ms higher rendertime after the Win10 update. Same nVidia driver and settings in MadVr.
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This GTX 1080 is a lot of fun. I've got a 1080p display. I can play back p24 DVDs with NNEDI3-128 Luma doubling, NNEDI3-32 Chroma doubling, NNEDI3-64 Luma quadrupling, NNEDI3-32 Chroma quadrupling, SSIM2D 100AR downscaling, all the upscaling refinements enabled (with light settings) except for LumaSharpen and the render time is about 37mS.
Why not Luma 256? I watch DVDs on a 1440p display with luma 256/chroma 32 on a 980 ti and my render times are more than fine (image upscaling is JincAR).
I only use ordered dithering and don't bother with upscaling refinements though.

Such a joy to watch DVDs like this!
I remember before I found madvr how I hated watching DVDs on a computer screen @1080p and up.

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Old 5th August 2016, 19:15   #39036  |  Link
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BTW I recently updated to the latest version of PotP and when I seek several times in a row(even in windowed mode) I get this box showing up for a split second. Log file available here.
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00000787.958 Render   Get3DOffset for frame 10: 0
00000787.979 Render   CRendering::ExecuteStep(self: 0C86D888);
00000787.983 Render   beginning texture resampling scene failed
Still running W7SP1/13.12 HD7850, any idea what's wrong please?

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Now that sounds like so much fun! Makes us curious if you can post some example pictures, would be fun seeing the results
I don't think I can take screenshots since 10-bit mode only works in FSE.

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BTW, with everyone complaining about performance drops after windows updates, is there a solution to it? It did not happen to me yet, but my windows build is custom made, just want to know for future references.
I'm using Windows 8.1 x64, so I don't have that issue.

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Why not Luma 256? I watch DVDs on a 1440p display with luma 256/chroma 32 on a 980 ti and my render times are more than fine (image upscaling is JincAR).
I only use ordered dithering and don't bother with upscaling refinements though.
I figured quadrupling was better than using really high doubling settings. I haven't experimented that much yet. I only got the card yesterday. I'm using ordered dithering since I'm using 10-bit output. Upscaling refinement is very nice with DVD.
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Can someone explain how 3D LUTs interact with madVR's HDR10 mapping algorithms?

How to set up DisplayCAL to create a HDR to SDR 3D LUT

Should madVR's mapping be unchecked in this case?

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I noticed a ~3ms higher rendertime after the Win10 update. Same nVidia driver and settings in MadVr.
That's meaningless without knowing what clock rate the card is operating at. FWIW I didn't see any change on my 960.

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Can someone explain how 3D LUTs interact with madVR's HDR10 mapping algorithms?

How to set up DisplayCAL to create a HDR to SDR 3D LUT

Should madVR's mapping be unchecked in this case?
They shouldn't be used both at the same time. The only way you can currently use a 3D LUT for HDR tonemapping is by using madVR 0.9.21 or earlier as the current version disables 3D LUTs when disabling HDR processing, or by removing the HDR metadata from HDR media (e.g. by re-encoding, this is what I did), or using a version of LAV filters that doesn't pass HDR metadata to madVR.
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